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On August 02 2014 07:26 Tehpoofter wrote:SeeYaLater Seeyatoobschat - Will be your new name if you don't step it up today. I don't even get what it's supposed to mean.You so far has been coasting for lack of a better word. You came out with this stance of not giving any mafia reads and working from a point of trying to find townies. Its a philosophy that I in general find scummy. I'll 100% admit for the most part to be coasting after I reconsidered my early push on Teemu. Your reads posts: + Show Spoiler +On August 01 2014 12:31 Seeyalater wrote:
All right off work and have full stomach so here is my current B/M/K list.
Bang-
Lilwade- After going through his filter earlier today to see his interactions with others, specially our confirmed mafia, Lilwade is currently sitting at the top of my top town his. I was unsure about him yesterday and I think I put him on town leaning mafia early on, and while he did say some really odd things, such as the whole "role/roll" thing with Poofter, his early push on Clockwork makes me put him highly on my town list.
Jenny- Jenny has actually dropped a peg for me, still at the top of the hill, but I always mistrust when a lot of people think someone is top town, unless there's a cop who greens them. It just makes me wary. Also the posting style has changed from the beggining of the game, where a lot of her posts were her defensively stating where she was, to almost too confident posts about now, but that could just be, for the lack of better term, "ego" of being called top town by everyone. Again still town sided for me, but I'm very wary that she could just be pocketing tons of others too.
Lord Tolkien- While out of the remaining people he might be one of the 2 people who have talked the least, I still get the heavy town vibe I got from him when he first spoke up. He seems to mainly be here to chew gum and kick mafia butt, and he's fresh out of lemonade. Hoping we hear more from him as well!
Marry-
Poofter- As I've stated before, him being a very veteran player always puts me on edge when it comes to him. I really don't like how he has basically elected himself town mayor for lack of better term. While he does have substanciated reads, he speaks in absolutes, that would make it easy to pocket others. Like Jenny, until a green check comes to him from a trustworthy source, Im going to be on edge with him. Also, while we joked about this in the RC me him and Jenny frequent, the fact that he brought up Texas, which was an old scum read Jenny had on him, was a joke to Jenny, that also made me uncomfortable. Still have him leaning town, of course, but we'll see.
Teemu- Boy how the tables have turned. I basically have teemu in a neutral scale now. His posting style changed vastly from day 1 which made me read him as mafia, and how he was pushed on by Meat, have made me regard him in a completely different light. While I'm still not sold he's town, I've returned my mafia purchase on him for now as well. There's something about how people have pushed on teemu, that have made me realize I was basically the one who started the teemu meatwagon that started early in day 1, and makes me suspicious that it was pushed by all mafia team members, since they had found what they thought off as their easiest target.
GB- I have absolutely no clue at all how to view this guy. One second he sounds town, one second he sounds mafia. Makes a lot posts that seem to make him seem like he's role hunting, but could it be that its others(including me) reading too much into his posts? Plus I did not like his reaction to Banks' vigi shoot "plan" one bit, almost seemed desperate. He doesn't seem to leave anyone behind in his posts though, usually bringing up everyone, so that's a plus right now I guess. Again still town leading, though to a lesser degree than Teemu.
Kill(boy is it lonely)
Meatpudding- I'm going to stick to my guns on MP, mainly because I still don't like his push on Teemu last night. I feel like, he would almost have to be donkey mafia to continue to try to save his mafia partner even though Clockwork had basically dug his own grave and thrown himself in it, but at the same time, how could he not see the logic between the clockwork push? He was also one like Clockwork, who seemed to dissapear out of nowhere in the last few hours, unlike everyone else who always let everyone know when they will be heading off.
So that's where I am right now. Let me just tell you right now, if you think I'm mafia, that's fine, I'm unconfirmed so of course in anyone else's shoes I'd be looking at myself too, but knowing that I'm town, lets try to look at everyone else as well, and know for a fact that I'm hoping that, even though I'm not great with words, I will not be an easy lynch because I will fight tooth and nail not to let a mislynch on myself happen.
Was okay but you said that Jenny was falling down a peg or two for you can you further explain why? I know it may not seem relevant but I have something to say about this point. At that point, as I stated in said post, it was because I was basically afraid about how everyone was percieving her as top town, and being a paranoid freak like I am, that made me slightly worried she was actually mafia and had the game won by having everyone in her pocket. But again, this was merely a (now proven false) paranoid motion, basically explains my whole, can't trust anyone 100% notion. You then also make this statement today: Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 04:27 Seeyalater wrote:
Woah, while somewhat expected, I'm sad Jenny died. D:
I'm getting ready for work and Fridays are usually busy so I might not have time to make a concise post for a bit, my first impression is that now I'm heavily doubting MP is the last mafia, since some of Jenny's last posts were about her concerns about how hard the bandwagon was for him. Makes it sound like "oh wow jenny was the most obvious town of course she died!" which to me doesn't seem the case from your reads as you had lilwayne top. Just because lilwade was my top town, doesn't mean she wasn't regarded as the most obvious town, since everyone else basically did. Not much to that aside from that. You also made the post talking about how the night kill basically totally cleared your top mafia in Meatpudding. Who do you think would make that night kill? I understand its WIFOM but I'd like to know where your head is at currently. What about the night kill basically makes it something MeatPrincess wouldn't do?
Again putting words in me moth, I did not say MP is cleared, it means we might have to reevaluate our current plan of lynching him without much though, which others, like GB, have already started to do.
That being said, GB has now joined MP in the scum list(though not as high as MP) by his really odd wanting to kill MP without any further thought. Almost like he wants the MP push train to continue, specially now that one of the people who spoke about, Jenny, is now 6 feet under.
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On August 01 2014 22:22 meatpudding wrote:Here's my M/B/K and where I'm starting from d2. To be declared a union under holy matrimony Banks - The most espoused in town. His vote critical to the lynch. The only way he's mafia is if he's trying to solo the game. (Sure I wouldn't rule it out) Make you breakfast Teemu - 666's case on you makes no sense if you're mafia. Post some reads yourself instead of only arguing what others have posted. Tolkien - Just another face in the crowd. I would lean town, but I feel it's too early. You've been bumped up for landing the hammer vote. Just one dance Jenny - I still feel pretty safe around you but not as much on before. I think your analysis is usually good but it was lacking at the end of d1. If you thought DC was scum you didn't try to argue it. GB - I think you should be focusing on who's in your town circle before I put you in mine. You're playing a bit inconsistent and when you are serious it seems too serious and mafia contrived. lilwade - I was a bit cautious on reading you d1. Also you were able to go under the radar for the most part. I think we should get to know each other a little better. Leave you in a ditch cya - Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 12:31 Seeyalater wrote:
Meatpudding- I'm going to stick to my guns on MP, mainly because I still don't like his push on Teemu last night. I feel like, he would almost have to be donkey mafia to continue to try to save his mafia partner even though Clockwork had basically dug his own grave and thrown himself in it, but at the same time, how could he not see the logic between the clockwork push? He was also one like Clockwork, who seemed to dissapear out of nowhere in the last few hours, unlike everyone else who always let everyone know when they will be heading off.
If there was logic behind the clockwork push, I didn't see it. You were there before I dropped off, so anyone had the chance to argue but you didn't. You pushed no case for Numbers Guy and then try and switch focus after the flip. Scum I say. Show nested quote +On July 31 2014 18:17 Seeyalater wrote:
Man, this vote is hard. I honestly can't say I'm a fan of either Clockwork or Meat, but who to hammer before bed.
Dude I have no idea what you're trying to say in this post. How could it really be hard not to see the push for clockwork? The town consensus after you two dropped off was basically who of either of you to vote for, and who did we found scummy. No one really argued much aside from the fact that neither of you contributed much, if at all to the day, and both of you had some really odd pushing done.
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On August 01 2014 22:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Random collection of thoughts:
I'm fairly certain DC was bussed. Given he had literally no defense of himself, either he gave up when the jig was up, so to speak, or was deliberately dying to advance mafia interests. Or perhaps abit of both, idk. But literally posting nothing but a vote change is about as white flag and suspicious as all hell, and leads me to conclude he was bussed.
Two possibilities: Either it's to deflect from meatpudding, who was a mafia power role and thus preferential to keep alive if both are up for lynch (but that assumes we lucked out on two mafia bandwagons D1: something I feel isn't very likely, and that mafia has a power role, which isnt confirmed and is thus speculation), or to cover for someone who is now currently on the DC train. I'm scrutinizing GB, but there seems little incentive to swap so late after the silence from DC was seriously deafening, or to be the "decisive vote" (how he was painted that I have no idea).
Assuming he was bussed then, either this was a pre-meditated part of mafia strategy (and mafia could've even started the wagon) since as a D1 mafia kill, this was too "easy", or spur of the moment. It significantly impacts who's under the microscope on the vote list, I think.
Or perhaps its super WIFOM and the mafia stayed on meat, but given how there was no defense of DC, it makes little/no sense.
I'm actually looking at TehPoofter again given the possibility of bussing here. But given a votelist analysis under the assumption of bussing, without ANY prior reads I'd say the following.
People who should be a D2 wagon:
Meatpudding (unless things change drastically, step it up)
People who are suspicious as all hell:
GB
Me (even tho confirmed town)
People who should be reviewed carefully:
Banks
Jenny
lilwade
People who are most likely stupid town (like srs, DC put up no defense whatsoever):
Teemu
Seeya
If you're mafia, fuck you. Everything's locked in. :D
Thank you for your continued support in me being a donkey town!
I agree that MP should still be a high priority, but hopefully tomorrow(aka second half) people get to be more contributing to town(including me), to see where we should head after. While I have some doubts that MP is actually mafia, there's not much else to go on at the moment in terms of a relatively easy lynch.
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Alright after rereading everything that's happened so far since the successful day 1 lynch this is currently where I currently stand.
Bang-
Poofter- Alright I give up. If you really are mafia this game, then you can have my babies, because even I just can't see you being mafia when you've been very consice about everything and have looked at everything objectively. Plus with Jenny-chan dead, I really don't think you would kill someone who would probably defend you to the death when someone tried to push scum on you. Don't think if anyone's brought that up, but since most of the players here know you, its also a very anti-Poofter kill as well. Not only that, but all your cases are awesome and basically bring up the status quo of where we are right now. Now you might think this is only me trying to get you to stop your push on me, but on the contrary, I like the fair and equal pushing you are doing on everyone.
Tolkien- Still high in my town list for always being objective. Also one of the few people to see me for what I am, a donkey town. Some bonus points for being the hammer vote at the end of the day 1. your post On August 01 2014 22:47 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Random collection of thoughts:
I'm fairly certain DC was bussed. Given he had literally no defense of himself, either he gave up when the jig was up, so to speak, or was deliberately dying to advance mafia interests. Or perhaps abit of both, idk. But literally posting nothing but a vote change is about as white flag and suspicious as all hell, and leads me to conclude he was bussed.
Two possibilities: Either it's to deflect from meatpudding, who was a mafia power role and thus preferential to keep alive if both are up for lynch (but that assumes we lucked out on two mafia bandwagons D1: something I feel isn't very likely, and that mafia has a power role, which isnt confirmed and is thus speculation), or to cover for someone who is now currently on the DC train. I'm scrutinizing GB, but there seems little incentive to swap so late after the silence from DC was seriously deafening, or to be the "decisive vote" (how he was painted that I have no idea).
Assuming he was bussed then, either this was a pre-meditated part of mafia strategy (and mafia could've even started the wagon) since as a D1 mafia kill, this was too "easy", or spur of the moment. It significantly impacts who's under the microscope on the vote list, I think.
Or perhaps its super WIFOM and the mafia stayed on meat, but given how there was no defense of DC, it makes little/no sense.
I'm actually looking at TehPoofter again given the possibility of bussing here. But given a votelist analysis under the assumption of bussing, without ANY prior reads I'd say the following.
People who should be a D2 wagon:
Meatpudding (unless things change drastically, step it up)
People who are suspicious as all hell:
GB
Me (even tho confirmed town)
People who should be reviewed carefully:
Banks
Jenny
lilwade
People who are most likely stupid town (like srs, DC put up no defense whatsoever):
Teemu
Seeya
If you're mafia, fuck you. Everything's locked in. :D
Is probably the most concise d2 post I've seen looking at objectively. Yes others have said basically nearly the same thing, but you put it in the best terms, and bonus points for not calling anyone "town"
Lilwade- not much has changed here since N1 where I had you high on my town list for being the first to hammer Clockwork, but have much like me, your involvement d2 has been very sporadic so I'll leave you here for now.
Bang
Teemu- Still have you leaning town. I feel like, our relationship this game started off as bitter rivals, and has now transformed as two lovers joined together by the power of the donkey. This is going to sound like sheeping, but although you are very active and propose good questions, you seem about as confused as I am to this whole thing. Basically after my push on you in day 1, and realizing how bad it was, I've basically turned lethargic and went from long posts trying to find scum in you, to sheeping a good amount of thoughts, which is what I feel you have done as well(though not as badly as me).
Kill-
These are basically the two scenarios I have left when it comes to these two.
The first is the very obvious MP- not much to be said here. If he is the last mafia, he got really unlucky and rolled mafia with another lurker and basically tried during his few active moments to first appear town by trying to make consise reads(which he never delivered). When that failed due probably to lack of information, his strategy moved to pushing on Teemu, since the only other push availible other than his partner was himself, which left him between a rock and a hard place. Again since he wasn't around much, he probably just remembered the push that was going on Teemu d1, and tried to go back in time when that was a very hot topic to push on Teemu. However sadly for him, our time travel devices had a short fuse and did not go back in time with him, so his desperate push has lead nowhere. Another thing I've noticed about him in the past couple days. These guy has basically no town circle. I've gone through his filter and there are no real posts where he either tries to match his opinions on others, or talk about who he thinks are town. He's playing like he's the last man left alive in town, when in reality there's a high chance he's the last man alright, but the last mafia man.
Then we have Glowingbear- I've usually had GB on my neutral to scum list- mainly because as others have stated, his posting style changes quite a bit from time to time. My theory on this is basically he's trying to play two different personalities this game. There's his blending into town personality, where he posts in a friendly demeanor, such as at the start of day, or at the beginning of the game. But then every now and then, it shifts into the other, scum slinging, hyper defensive personality. For example, just after day 1 we've had a few examples of this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=39#776 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=41#816 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=42#827 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/462654-newbie-mini-mafia-lvii?page=51#1016. What do these posts have in common? Paranoia. And not paranoia about someone else being mafia, its paranoia about others seeing HIM as mafia. That could be him as town being shocked that his "super" townie play is being questioned, but these reactions have been awful. Also, while I may post a lot of fluff as some people say, if you go through GB's filter, he really doesn't bring much to the table either. His biggest "case" against someone was his very flawed case about me and Jenny. At first I thought of this as just being a donkey town case, but I don't think I can anymore. He also seemed extremely proud to have been the one to hammer Clockwork, and seemed paranoid being getting n1'd for it, but when others brought to light that it wasn't him that brought the hammer, it also makes that reaction bad. My guess if he is the last mafia? He realized very early D1 that it was going to be a very hard game since clockwork had basically done nothing to their side in almost all of day 1, and caught a chance to ride the bus on him with Poof and Jenny to appear supper town, and bussed his teammate hoping to fool everyone and coast to victory having fooled town. That also explains his super confused posts above about him being considered for lynch, since what he thought was a great plan, was not as flawless as he thought. Plus he never showed his sixpack to me.
I'm still on the MP safer train barring anything major happening in the next few hours, but if he is not mafia, at this point I'm almost convinced it has to be GB, unless he can prove he isn't.
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Banks where did I call you mafia during n1?
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On August 02 2014 08:43 Tehpoofter wrote:GlowingBear GlowingRed - You are playing in such a different fashion from other games I've seen you in and makes me think you might be mafia. I missed Tolkien's description of how the votes went down So your vote is now basically just a flavor vote because MeatPolice wouldn't have voted on himself so he was likely to switch to the RNG guy at some point anyways. So hoping on late wasn't actually to hammer which was what I was giving you some town points for (and taking them from Tolkien) I now am thinking the reads you have been giving may not be from just a silly point of view but might be from a mafia point of view. I said it at the start of the day that your case with the Jenny/Seeya Connection was very weird/odd. It didn't seem to hold water. It also was already making connections between people that frankly shouldn't have been made at the time. I also think you got way overly defensive when I said I was vigi and going to shoot you in the night. + Show Spoiler +On August 01 2014 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 08:00 Tehpoofter wrote:OPERATION: SeeyaMeat! Step 1: Lynch Seeya Step 2: Lynch Meat Step 3: Win game. If that doesn't work reevaluate. I'm going to pretend like I'm all the roles. So As medic I'm saving jenny. As Cop I'm checking between Teemu/Seeya/Meat and outting with a red check of any kind. As Vigi I'm shooting GB for trying to make roles claim when they don't need to. I'm going to give a hard bang, marry kill soon. Enjoy! ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Do you all read me as mafia??? Really??? Wtf I give up The kind of attitude was silly from an offhand comment. You also are quick to want the day to just be on MeatPie and not really moving on from there. I think that your game play has been to throw scum on people and also the reasons you had from not being here in day 1 while probably all true felt like you wanted to have a good reason to be afk. I think you might be mafia with RNG and I'm going to see what kind of interaction you guys had. GB Can you explain why you reacted like you did to me threatening to shoot you? Can you also explain to me what your top 3 suspects are as mafia and why?
Here are all posts by 666, where he mentioned GB. Just for you, Banks.
On August 01 2014 01:08 Teemursu wrote:Confirmed scum's interactions with people and my thoughts GlowingBearI think the way he goes from town, townier, townest with GB is him kind of following the town's general read on GB and him trying to pocket GB. I feel more at ease when I'm reading GB as town, tbh. Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 02:12 DCLXVI wrote:
You have proven me mafia twice now, why don't you back up your words with a vote?
looking suspicious there glowingbear better step up your game. Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 04:51 DCLXVI wrote:
Some scum do just sit back and ask questions about other people/the game, not actually contributing much GlowingBear. It was a decent way to get the real conversation started however, and now that everyone is here (except meatpudding?) we can actually play. Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 05:49 DCLXVI wrote:On July 30 2014 05:32 lilwade wrote:On July 30 2014 05:23 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 05:22 lilwade wrote:On July 30 2014 05:14 Tehpoofter wrote:On July 30 2014 04:14 Teemursu wrote:On July 30 2014 04:09 Tehpoofter wrote:On July 30 2014 04:07 lilwade wrote:
Just gauging reactions m8, I like to get to know who I am playing with. I just thought it was funny you changed your vote just based on that. But hey, that might be your playstyle. I don't like this post. You might actually be mafia. Why do you think so? Apologetic to me seemed to be understanding of my style... bump that he doesn't know me maybe this is exactly how I play as mafia. Felt like he knew I was town and wanted to be sorta friendly not really start anything early. ##Unvote: tehpoofter Want to explain your vote a bit? Testing peoples actions and reactions, tehpoofter is the most town person in the game right now. If time is the concern how about posting just the top 1 mafia/town tehpoofter? For me Glowingbear is easily the top town, between getting the town started working and keeping it on track. I would be interested to hear your opinions on people GB.##Vote Tehpoofter He then goes to talk about GB as if he kind of "knew" that GB is town. I don't really see scum partner talking about his other scum partner like this. I might be wrong, but right now I'm holding GB pretty high up in the town list Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 14:26 DCLXVI wrote:
Teemursu you have said several times you suspect Seeyalater, is there a reason why you don't use your vote? Are you waiting till you are more sure or for GlowingBear to start the wagon rolling?
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On August 02 2014 10:30 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2014 09:52 Tehpoofter wrote:On August 02 2014 09:01 GlowingBear wrote:
Poof I'm traveling but I'll explain it soon.
I'm actually all for meatpudding. I don't have a solid case instead of him. But I'll try to write what is off about those two I'll bring up Explain it for me! Poof, Seeyalater has got a lot of fluff on his posts which is a mafia trait. So, it makes me consider him as possible mafia. There's nothing remarkable coming from him.Lilwade has been lurking a lot and when he comes to the topic he contributes for nothing. It makes him possible mafia for it. Meatpudding has a long list of wrong traits. Lurking almost 36 hours on day one and bringing a terrible list, goes back to lurking? checkOn that list, gives free town pass to 666 with no reasoning whatsoever? checkRefuses to vote the other wagon to save himself considering Teemu more scum than we considered 666? checkVotes WITH flipped scum in a possible townie, possibly leading to a mislynch? checkWhen asked to talk about Teemu, brings full case. When asked to talk about 666, quotes other people's opinion. When specifically asked to bring opinion regarding 666, refuses to do so (look at how many attempts I tried. Mafia is uncomfortable of talking about other mafia, that's why I always try to make people to talk about each other, specially when I believe both are mafia). checkI thought I was the one who hammered 666. Vote count was confusing, as you know. I thought I would die because I would be confirmed town for that. You said you had a plan and talked about vigi, an impossible role in this game. I believed you were trying to draw suspicions on me so I wouldn't be killed at night. That was me faking being silly. Other than that, my posts were genuine thoughts. If you think they are silly, there's nothing I can do
A lot of fluff? Maybe some
Nothing remarkable? Disagree, I'm okay with his reads and actually don't think he's mafia.
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Teemu, poof asked for my top3 scum read when I have only one. It's okay if you disagree, as I see no other option right now
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K, woke up and caught up. Anyone got any questions for me?
Banks, I can't remember most of your cases, I'm not sure if that's because they're not memorable or if it's because I just woke up. 
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If Seeya was mafia, why wouldn't he continue with his push on me with 666 and meatpudding?
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Like, I'm talking about earlier. Obviously it shouldn't buy him credibility towards the end of day, but minimum two town voted on me yesterday, and there were people pushing on me.
maybe it's bad logic and I'm overvaluing "the town cred", but the fact that he's also giving reads and to me they're coming off genuine.
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On August 02 2014 17:13 GlowingBear wrote:
Teemu, poof asked for my top3 scum read when I have only one. It's okay if you disagree, as I see no other option right now
So you don't think Seeyalater is mafia?
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On July 30 2014 02:29 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 02:12 DCLXVI wrote:
You have proven me mafia twice now, why don't you back up your words with a vote?
looking suspicious there glowingbear better step up your game. I guess you are right. ##Unvote
##Vote: tehpoofter
On July 31 2014 15:39 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 30 2014 11:10 DCLXVI wrote:
I voted for tehpoofter because he claimed he would talk about people and post opinions, then went straight back to spam. Apparently I misunderstood what he said about when he would do such, but that doesn't change the fact that he was useless for a long time. At least after my vote on him he started helping us so I am less suspicious of him now.
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I have not felt any scummy vibes from teemursu, but apparently some people have so I will go take a look at that.
Teemu this was the only post that felt scummy IMO. The others are fair. He isn't speaking much, I think he should be contributing more, but I'm okay with his pushes. He wouldn't be my second choice. Lilwade would probably be, but I have to filter dive him to have a better idea. The only thing I remember from this guy is that the overreacted to poof in an unnatural way.
On July 31 2014 14:14 GlowingBear wrote:Lol completely random. Care to explain before leaving?
GB, you had almost no interaction with 666 yesterday. Also, how were you okay with pushes if you said you were reading me town?
Rethinking everything, the first interaction you had with 666 makes you look hella suspicious, imo.
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No idea. Anyways what do you think of my reads teemu?
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I was sleeping.
Your first quote is a joke I made.
I had no interactions with him because nobody actually interacted that much. That guy wasn't posting enough. I was pushing Jenny, Cya and Meatpudding. If you see, I don't have much interactions with lilwade or poof either.
There's nothing much to say here... I felt that meatpudding was a better guess until this second mafia decided to vote for him and made me change my votes
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Teemu, I may believe you're town but if people being fair logic it doesn't mean they are mafia if they are pushing a townie. If that was so, there would be no mislynches
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If that's so, then mind explaining to us where you are currently in the game? Lets say MP gets lynched and he's not mafia, what is your plan after that happens?
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On August 03 2014 00:28 Seeyalater wrote:
If that's so, then mind explaining to us where you are currently in the game? Lets say MP gets lynched and he's not mafia, what is your plan after that happens?
I'd definitely push lilwade because he is not contributing much.
Tbh Teemu I'm so sure meatpudding is mafia that in hardly considering other options. I know it's bad but I can't explain. If he flips town, everyone will start being mafia to me
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