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IV Titanic Mafia: It Has Been a Privilege

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batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 21 2014 17:44 GMT
#89
/in
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 21 2014 18:14 GMT
#94
Aw yeah it's damdred and palmar I would be so lucky.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 21 2014 18:20 GMT
#98
/in

Beethoven moonlight sonata 3rd movement
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 21 2014 18:55 GMT
#103
I believe that's 16.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 22 2014 00:57 GMT
#115
On July 22 2014 07:06 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2014 05:58 Palmar wrote:
Tbh, I actually have nothing against people not reading their role PMs, it's just one of many tactics people use to mess with everyone else. However I will always instantly policy lynch anyone claiming to not have read their role PM, and if I don't know they didn't read their role PM, I don't care if they can be scummy or not, they're just as lynchable.


it is 100% cheating. it is the worst form of cheating.
plynch is not a solution, because then they just won't tell anyone.



Cheaters get lynched easy enough.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 22 2014 02:00 GMT
#119
Are we really resorting to such measures just to make sure people read their roles?
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 22 2014 02:44 GMT
#123
On July 22 2014 11:34 kushm4sta wrote:
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On July 22 2014 11:00 batsnacks wrote:
Are we really resorting to such measures just to make sure people read their roles?


we don't have to, but there should be a rule against it. and if it is suspected that someone did not read their role, we should check scum qt to make sure they conversed with the scum team. And if they did not, they will receive a 5 game ban.


Really? I mean I can't comprehend why this is an issue at all. I know you think it worked for you last game but, seriously, this doesn't work.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 22 2014 04:20 GMT
#125
Not reading your role is disadvantageous compared to reading your role no matter what alignments or circumstances. By not reading your role you are giving up every tool you have to win.

I could see how it could maybe make sense in a small setup with zero power roles on day 1 only but... even then people will probably just lynch you for it (I would). As soon as power roles enter into the picture by not reading your role you are risking throwing out all the tools your team may have for winning in exchange for... being unreadable? That doesn't make sense.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 22 2014 04:24 GMT
#126
It's a team game you know. You have to utilize everything you have. Not ignore everything you have and pray you won't be picked on.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 22 2014 04:53 GMT
#128
On July 22 2014 13:45 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't get if you are ok with the rule against not reading the pm or if you don't like it.
Check how twitterverse game was completely dumbed down because CR didn't read the pm. People got him lynched and he was mafia. Now the game is spoiled because of that.

It's like playing dota but picking no heroes.

Of course people will lynch someone who does that. But it is not playing. They're just excluding someone who's spoiling the game. They are wasting a lynch they could have use on an actual read


I'm okay with it because I like to believe people learn from their (strategic) mistakes when they make them. We don't need the mods to enforce a perfect Nash Equilibrium level of play every game.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-22 05:39:11
July 22 2014 05:35 GMT
#131
On July 22 2014 14:21 kushm4sta wrote:
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On July 22 2014 13:20 batsnacks wrote:
Not reading your role is disadvantageous compared to reading your role no matter what alignments or circumstances. By not reading your role you are giving up every tool you have to win.

I could see how it could maybe make sense in a small setup with zero power roles on day 1 only but... even then people will probably just lynch you for it (I would). As soon as power roles enter into the picture by not reading your role you are risking throwing out all the tools your team may have for winning in exchange for... being unreadable? That doesn't make sense.


ok..
1 no one would lynch you for it, because you don't tell anyone you are doing it.
2 the optimal way to do it is not look at your role pm d1, then near the end of n1 look at your role pm to see if you have a pr. if you are scum do not look at who is on your scumteam.

I know you come from epicmafia where mechanics play a big role because games are so short. But I think games with longer days tend to be more about reads of players' behaviors and logic, which you can't do to someone who doesn't know their role/doesn't know their scumteam.


All of this seems like a really bad way of overcoming nerves. I don't come from epicmafia.

Like, if you get nervous playing scum and you're worried you'll mess up (to the point where you don't even want to read your role PM), why not just play for real until you don't get nervous anymore? Are you going to keep relying on a dumb gimmick that will probably get you lynched just because you get nervous?

inb4 protoss jokes
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 22 2014 06:32 GMT
#133
Having less information doesn't help you win. It might help you not die day 1, maybe, if you're really uncomfortable pretending to be town.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 22 2014 10:48 GMT
#145
On July 22 2014 15:59 kushm4sta wrote:
how do you catch mafia, batsnacks? wait for dt checks?


I put all your names in a hat and let Jesus take the wheel.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 22 2014 20:46 GMT
#213
Since we're all voting.

On July 23 2014 03:26 HaruRH wrote:
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On July 23 2014 02:37 Chopin Liszt wrote:
On July 23 2014 02:24 Damdred wrote:
Eh, and I really don't like you unvoting and voting me without any reasons posted your better than that obi.

However it was his only post that wasn't in his normal way of talking which would of been more epic since chopin was mad at times.


If you state my companion at times is mad
Then surely your vote must be bad?
For a remark put in jest
Your views stir much unrest
Such that you irk me a tad

Liszt


I hate roleplayers

##Vote: Chopin Liszt


Chopin isn't roleplaying, he's rhyming. Neither historical Chopin or Liszt was a poet and their music didn't have lyrics.

Therefor I vote HaruRH for voting for non-reasons.

##Vote: HaruRH
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 22 2014 20:49 GMT
#215
ebwop: or rather it would be more correct to say, I vote HaruRH for giving a reason that isn't true.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 23 2014 00:45 GMT
#260
On July 23 2014 06:29 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 06:18 Chopin Liszt wrote:
On July 23 2014 06:16 Xatalos wrote:
On July 23 2014 06:10 Chopin Liszt wrote:
On July 23 2014 06:09 Xatalos wrote:
On July 23 2014 06:06 Chairman Ray wrote:
The exchange between Xatalos and Koshi is the most awkward and forced conversation I have ever seen, especially this:

On July 23 2014 05:41 Xatalos wrote:
On July 23 2014 03:04 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos it has been a while. I am town this game. You must be so happy.


Hmm. I think I want you to live longer than D1 just for the "Mafia totes alive guis" mass PM. That, and my history of reading you is horrible. I have the vague idea that someone explained your meta to me in a recent game so I'll search for that.


If we had two lynches, I'd lynch them both.

##Vote: Xatalos


I don't think it's a good idea to lynch either of us for D1. Generally speaking.

What does this mean?


Koshi can look scummy during D1 as town so it's not usually a good time to lynch him. I'm generally active regardless of my alignment, and I become a (somewhat) valuable asset throughout the game as town and I tend to reveal myself more easily later on as scum (+leaving material to work with). Neither of us are ideal D1 lynches.

Interesting.

Why don't you give us a list of acceptable day 1 lynches then, friend?


HaruRH - don't remember him, not really for or against lynching him D1

Koshi - against lynching him D1

teemursu - see HaruRH

Chopin Liszt - see HaruRH

VayneAuthority - I have some bad memories of him literally claiming scum as town, so he might be a policy lynch again, but hopefully not

raynpelikoneet - definitely not a D1 lynch unless he somehow is really scummy (doubtful regardless of his alignment)

ObiWanShinobi - see HaruRH

Navillus - see HaruRH

GlowingBear - see HaruRH

kushm4sta - hmmm.... I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him

Chairman Ray - see HaruRH

Vivax - no special feelings towards him although I do remember that he was pretty obviously scummy in one game, we'll see

batsnacks - see HaruRH

Damdred - could be scum based on my initial gut feeling

Palmar - see raynpelikoneet


Here I colored your post for you because I wanted to see what it would look like with slightly more effort.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 23 2014 00:53 GMT
#263
On July 23 2014 09:47 Chairman Ray wrote:
It doesn't sit right with me that Xatalos made a case on himself saying that he's an asset as town, but tends to reveal himself late game if he's mafia. There's only scum motive behind saying something like this, but would scum actually say it?


+1

This also concerns me:

On July 23 2014 06:29 Xatalos wrote:
VayneAuthority - I have some bad memories of him literally claiming scum as town, so he might be a policy lynch again, but hopefully not

Damdred - could be scum based on my initial gut feeling


Low hanging fruit.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 23 2014 02:14 GMT
#274
Damdred is the man I won't be voting him this game.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 23 2014 02:16 GMT
#278
I want to know what HaruRH thinks about Damdred.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
July 23 2014 02:36 GMT
#285
On July 23 2014 11:32 HaruRH wrote:
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On July 23 2014 11:16 batsnacks wrote:
I want to know what HaruRH thinks about Damdred.


Xatalos looks infinitely more scummy than damdred. I would rather lynch xatalos and plynch liszt today over lynching into a scum that I am not confident of.


So, I asked you about Damdred and you responded with thoughts on Xatalos and Chopin, the two biggest "wagons."

I want to talk about Damdred. You said Xatalos is scummier than him, does that mean you think Damdred is scummy?
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