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On July 27 2014 23:14 Damdred wrote:
I think i answered that with vi questions night one but ill answer again i didn't know who to vote at that point and i had to vote i was torn between xat vi up until that point. I didn't think vivax was scum and i felt kush was town so i folloqed him with the sudden deadline shift.
I'm going to read cr filter really fast and see the case
Funny that I looked your filter and you made the same question to me knowing that it was out of pressure too.
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On July 27 2014 23:22 Damdred wrote:
Take xat out of your question if not him who is the other partner to you
VA or ShoppingList. Mostly VA.
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Quick case on Xatalos:
On July 27 2014 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2014 01:55 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2014 01:51 Koshi wrote:On July 27 2014 01:49 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2014 01:10 Koshi wrote:On July 27 2014 00:57 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2014 00:40 Koshi wrote:
The problem is that all other lynches are people marv said are town Xatalos/VA and all his preferred lynches are people I think are town aka Damdred/Obiwan.
Maybe we should find common ground and lynch Vivax. Why do you read damdred as town? It's not that he is a shining beacon of townyness. But read the first post on the second and third page of his filter. I can see a town making those. Same for everything in between. Is he really that scummy? I don't see it tbh. He is suspicious. He really is. But check your main scum filters. Doesn't it looks like mislynching damdred is part of mafias agenda? Really, look how there is a timid scumread on damdred day one that continues on and on. Timid scumreads. Like people are trying to make townies go against him creating big cases, leading a mislynch and getting mislynched the other day. Do you get what I'm trying to say here? Yes. That's why I am being overconfident saying he is town  . To balance the sneaky mafia agenda. Alright, so, if you ALSO believe this, you should be voting Xatalos because he has been doing that since the beginning of the game. I mean (1) lots of fluff, (2) being hard defended by a possible mafia, (3) almost no scum hunt on his filter and (4) contributing with the timid scumread on damdred, (5) being saved, continues to post fluff without Scumhunting. Don't you think there are reasons enough?
These are the main reasons I've brought up. There's a (6), which is his strange reads on rayn. Follow me (big quotes on spoilers)
On July 23 2014 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
##Vote raynpelikoneet
Sigh
LOL only joking right lololol why not?
Now to his list post:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 23 2014 06:29 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 06:18 Chopin Liszt wrote:On July 23 2014 06:16 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 06:10 Chopin Liszt wrote:On July 23 2014 06:09 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 06:06 Chairman Ray wrote:The exchange between Xatalos and Koshi is the most awkward and forced conversation I have ever seen, especially this: On July 23 2014 05:41 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 03:04 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos it has been a while. I am town this game. You must be so happy. Hmm. I think I want you to live longer than D1 just for the "Mafia totes alive guis" mass PM. That, and my history of reading you is horrible. I have the vague idea that someone explained your meta to me in a recent game so I'll search for that. If we had two lynches, I'd lynch them both. ##Vote: Xatalos I don't think it's a good idea to lynch either of us for D1. Generally speaking. What does this mean? Koshi can look scummy during D1 as town so it's not usually a good time to lynch him. I'm generally active regardless of my alignment, and I become a (somewhat) valuable asset throughout the game as town and I tend to reveal myself more easily later on as scum (+leaving material to work with). Neither of us are ideal D1 lynches. Interesting. Why don't you give us a list of acceptable day 1 lynches then, friend? HaruRH - don't remember him, not really for or against lynching him D1 Koshi - against lynching him D1 teemursu - see HaruRH Chopin Liszt - see HaruRH VayneAuthority - I have some bad memories of him literally claiming scum as town, so he might be a policy lynch again, but hopefully not raynpelikoneet - definitely not a D1 lynch unless he somehow is really scummy (doubtful regardless of his alignment) ObiWanShinobi - see HaruRH Navillus - see HaruRH GlowingBear - see HaruRH kushm4sta - hmmm.... I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him Chairman Ray - see HaruRH Vivax - no special feelings towards him although I do remember that he was pretty obviously scummy in one game, we'll see batsnacks - see HaruRH Damdred - could be scum based on my initial gut feeling Palmar - see raynpelikoneet
If there wasn't enough reasons to bash on his post, rayn is confirmed mafia. Now look how he reserves the "definetely not a lynch on day1" to rayn. I would like you to remember his positioning against Damdred here, too. Weird enough?
Ok, so, there is a series of posts where rayn timid pushes Xatalos but never putting his hand on fire. He actually, at some point, only says that Xatalos' posts are bad but without reasons. I had to ask him to give reasons. And we are talking about rayn. He timid pushes Xatalos but never vote him. Here is an example, I'll ask you to open the nested quote:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 24 2014 02:49 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 02:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2014 02:38 GlowingBear wrote:On July 24 2014 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2014 02:30 Xatalos wrote:
GB's confidence in me being scum is actually pretty shocking. It's like he initially decided that I would be his vote target and proceeded to search for justification to keep his vote on me. There is literally no consideration for me possibly being town in his filter. In his latest post he confidently states that "mafia changed the attention away from Xatalos". This is some really stupid confirmation bias or a hopeless scum mislynch push. I think it's actually more likely coming from scum since it feels... forced. Especially his great confidence in his read right after the game had just started. I don't like this post for multiple reasons. I hate when you post like this. Explain? First two sentences are totally wrong and if Xatalos thinks so he needs to justify it which he has not done. Why can't mafia change atttention out of mafia? I mean obviously, regardless of Xatalos' alignment he "reads himself" as town and says so, but that's not any proof of what ACTUALLY happened. Where is the conf bias? Confidence is not a scumtell unless he explains why. Obviously scum can change attention away from scum. It was just that he was so certain (somehow) of me being scum that he assumed that's what's actually happened... which felt weird. Besides, I still have a lot of attention and it's not like I'm trying to hide or anything? Could be town confidence I guess. It's just the way how he's been +1'ing suspicions on me so eagerly. Is it in line with the level of his scumread's reasoning? I think it's a bit too much.
I'll stop here because I've made my point and I don't have enough time before deadline.
Also, I was trying to further analyse this but there are no nighpost/daypost on the OP and there are not recent vote counts. It makes difficult to go deeper. I think people gave up on this game already.
##Unvote
##Vote: Xatalos
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On July 28 2014 00:16 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2014 00:06 GlowingBear wrote:Quick case on Xatalos:On July 27 2014 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2014 01:55 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2014 01:51 Koshi wrote:On July 27 2014 01:49 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2014 01:10 Koshi wrote:On July 27 2014 00:57 GlowingBear wrote:On July 27 2014 00:40 Koshi wrote:
The problem is that all other lynches are people marv said are town Xatalos/VA and all his preferred lynches are people I think are town aka Damdred/Obiwan.
Maybe we should find common ground and lynch Vivax. Why do you read damdred as town? It's not that he is a shining beacon of townyness. But read the first post on the second and third page of his filter. I can see a town making those. Same for everything in between. Is he really that scummy? I don't see it tbh. He is suspicious. He really is. But check your main scum filters. Doesn't it looks like mislynching damdred is part of mafias agenda? Really, look how there is a timid scumread on damdred day one that continues on and on. Timid scumreads. Like people are trying to make townies go against him creating big cases, leading a mislynch and getting mislynched the other day. Do you get what I'm trying to say here? Yes. That's why I am being overconfident saying he is town . To balance the sneaky mafia agenda. Alright, so, if you ALSO believe this, you should be voting Xatalos because he has been doing that since the beginning of the game. I mean (1) lots of fluff, (2) being hard defended by a possible mafia, (3) almost no scum hunt on his filter and (4) contributing with the timid scumread on damdred, (5) being saved, continues to post fluff without Scumhunting. Don't you think there are reasons enough? These are the main reasons I've brought up. There's a (6), which is his strange reads on rayn. Follow me (big quotes on spoilers) On July 23 2014 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
##Vote raynpelikoneet
Sigh LOL only joking right lololol why not? Now to his list post: + Show Spoiler +On July 23 2014 06:29 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 06:18 Chopin Liszt wrote:On July 23 2014 06:16 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 06:10 Chopin Liszt wrote:On July 23 2014 06:09 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 06:06 Chairman Ray wrote:The exchange between Xatalos and Koshi is the most awkward and forced conversation I have ever seen, especially this: On July 23 2014 05:41 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 03:04 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos it has been a while. I am town this game. You must be so happy. Hmm. I think I want you to live longer than D1 just for the "Mafia totes alive guis" mass PM. That, and my history of reading you is horrible. I have the vague idea that someone explained your meta to me in a recent game so I'll search for that. If we had two lynches, I'd lynch them both. ##Vote: Xatalos I don't think it's a good idea to lynch either of us for D1. Generally speaking. What does this mean? Koshi can look scummy during D1 as town so it's not usually a good time to lynch him. I'm generally active regardless of my alignment, and I become a (somewhat) valuable asset throughout the game as town and I tend to reveal myself more easily later on as scum (+leaving material to work with). Neither of us are ideal D1 lynches. Interesting. Why don't you give us a list of acceptable day 1 lynches then, friend? HaruRH - don't remember him, not really for or against lynching him D1 Koshi - against lynching him D1 teemursu - see HaruRH Chopin Liszt - see HaruRH VayneAuthority - I have some bad memories of him literally claiming scum as town, so he might be a policy lynch again, but hopefully not raynpelikoneet - definitely not a D1 lynch unless he somehow is really scummy (doubtful regardless of his alignment) ObiWanShinobi - see HaruRH Navillus - see HaruRH GlowingBear - see HaruRH kushm4sta - hmmm.... I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him Chairman Ray - see HaruRH Vivax - no special feelings towards him although I do remember that he was pretty obviously scummy in one game, we'll see batsnacks - see HaruRH Damdred - could be scum based on my initial gut feeling Palmar - see raynpelikoneet If there wasn't enough reasons to bash on his post, rayn is confirmed mafia. Now look how he reserves the "definetely not a lynch on day1" to rayn. I would like you to remember his positioning against Damdred here, too. Weird enough? Ok, so, there is a series of posts where rayn timid pushes Xatalos but never putting his hand on fire. He actually, at some point, only says that Xatalos' posts are bad but without reasons. I had to ask him to give reasons. And we are talking about rayn. He timid pushes Xatalos but never vote him. Here is an example, I'll ask you to open the nested quote: + Show Spoiler +On July 24 2014 02:49 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 02:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2014 02:38 GlowingBear wrote:On July 24 2014 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2014 02:30 Xatalos wrote:
GB's confidence in me being scum is actually pretty shocking. It's like he initially decided that I would be his vote target and proceeded to search for justification to keep his vote on me. There is literally no consideration for me possibly being town in his filter. In his latest post he confidently states that "mafia changed the attention away from Xatalos". This is some really stupid confirmation bias or a hopeless scum mislynch push. I think it's actually more likely coming from scum since it feels... forced. Especially his great confidence in his read right after the game had just started. I don't like this post for multiple reasons. I hate when you post like this. Explain? First two sentences are totally wrong and if Xatalos thinks so he needs to justify it which he has not done. Why can't mafia change atttention out of mafia? I mean obviously, regardless of Xatalos' alignment he "reads himself" as town and says so, but that's not any proof of what ACTUALLY happened. Where is the conf bias? Confidence is not a scumtell unless he explains why. Obviously scum can change attention away from scum. It was just that he was so certain (somehow) of me being scum that he assumed that's what's actually happened... which felt weird. Besides, I still have a lot of attention and it's not like I'm trying to hide or anything? Could be town confidence I guess. It's just the way how he's been +1'ing suspicions on me so eagerly. Is it in line with the level of his scumread's reasoning? I think it's a bit too much. I'll stop here because I've made my point and I don't have enough time before deadline. Also, I was trying to further analyse this but there are no nighpost/daypost on the OP and there are not recent vote counts. It makes difficult to go deeper. I think people gave up on this game already. ##Unvote
##Vote: Xatalos rayn actually *did* vote for me and left his vote on me for the rest of the day without apparently any real reason...... Maybe hoping that the wagon on me would get enough votes and that his vote could aid in getting me lynched or something. I would never defend my scummate at least D1. Haven't you seen my scumgames? In one game I bussed literally every one of my teammates. In the previous scumgame I semi-bussed or distanced from all of my teammates.
That's right... Rayn kept the vote on you... I couldn't find the final vote count but now I remember.
I am tunnelling.
Whatever. I'd rather kill CR or Vayne now. I'd rather lynch Vayne because of what I've brought from Rayn.
##Unvote
##Vote: VayneAuthority
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Nah. CR.
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##Vote: Chairman Ray
Yeah, I'm a bit messy this game
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I doubt we will have a night post soon.
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On July 28 2014 00:31 Koshi wrote:
GlowingBear WHY ARE YOU VOTING WITH Xatalos?
Dude, I didn't see that Rayn kept his vote on Xatalos. Why he would do that if he was scum?
Besides, don't you think CR's case on Xatalos was suspicious?
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On July 28 2014 00:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2014 00:33 GlowingBear wrote:On July 28 2014 00:31 Koshi wrote:
GlowingBear WHY ARE YOU VOTING WITH Xatalos? Dude, I didn't see that Rayn kept his vote on Xatalos. Why he would do that if he was scum? Besides, don't you think CR's case on Xatalos was suspicious? ... 1 wifomy thingie and you change your entire mind. knowing how you said that my case on both VA and marv was wifom and should be ignored. You don't play very consistent.
I know I'm playing like shit this game. I'm making a big of a mess here. Completely confused  .
Just tell me who you want to lynch, I'd rather sheep you
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##Unvote
##Vote: VayneAuthority
Because I like koshi
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Happy koshi?
I mean, why are we not lynching Shopping list?
They are afk right before the EoD. Don't you think they are just letting town killing themselves?
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On July 28 2014 00:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
They were afk long before that.
They are STILL afk, that's what I meant. Vayne had five votes. Why aren't they active now?
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On July 28 2014 00:48 Xatalos wrote:
I mean... It's like Vivax(?) said. VA hasn't really done anything to make himself appear townie. CR has been conveniently going with the flow and neatly pushing cases that already had momentum to begin with. Which of these is how scum plays?
Second one for sure. AAAGH I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO
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##Unvote
##Vote: Chairman Ray
Also, obi is scum.
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Okay, give me a call whenever the night post appears.
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Teemu, open your qt with me so I can confirm you are blue.
So, confirmed townies: me, koshi, VA, Vivax, batsnacks, Teemu, Xatalos, obi.
Lol gg
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On July 28 2014 01:14 batsnacks wrote:
I'm probably voting Chopin tomorrow. If anyone who voted CR thinks I shouldn't vote Chopin tomorrow they should say so.
Mafia will probably concede at this point. We still have our cop.
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On July 28 2014 01:18 Xatalos wrote:
Xatalos (4) - Chairman Ray, GlowingBear, HaruRH raynpelikoneet
lolz
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HAHAHAHAHA I tunnelled Xatalos SO hard
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