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ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 26 2014 07:25 GMT

#2686

I still don't get it.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 26 2014 07:30 GMT

#2688

I never said that I believed it either way, I am simply stating the facts regarding your non-case and they don't make sense.

But if you're really going to vote me for non-reasons then I simply don't see the point of trying to convince you of anything.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 26 2014 07:36 GMT

#2692

You don't need an answer because it's completely irrelevant to literally everything. Him knowing whether or not you were actually the vigilante at this point is such unnecessary information that the fact that you're pushing it this hard at this point is concerning.

And I can't even give you one because I don't give a shit whether or not he actually knew you were the vigilante.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 26 2014 07:38 GMT

#2694

On July 26 2014 16:34 Xatalos wrote:
Although I'm a bit skeptical that VA would notice the breadcrumb when he barely plays the game anyway.

If VA actually noticed the breadcrumb then batsnacks would simply be identified and killed.

If anything, believing that he knew batsnacks was the vigilante is actually evidence that he's town since he would never give us that information as mafia and wouldn't let batsnacks live past night 1.

And if they have a roleblocker, then the accusations make even less sense because rayn would still be alive.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 26 2014 07:39 GMT

#2695

On July 26 2014 16:37 batsnacks wrote:
ObiWanShinobi

I'm trying to be really clear here:

Show nested quote +

Do you believe VayneWuthority knew I was the real vig at the time of this posting?

Obviously?

I mean, if you claimed at that point then yeah, I'd say he would believe it because he would know that he didn't actually shoot rayn and someone else did.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 26 2014 07:44 GMT

#2697

Understandable.

I am going to bed. I expect this thread to be another 25 pages longer by the time I return.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 26 2014 19:21 GMT

#2810

On July 26 2014 20:50 Koshi wrote:
Obiwan. Evertything you said is not happening. I am townreading you and damdred. VA is an entirely other story. CR explains it really good.

At this point, anyway.

Also, I'm not entirely sure why Vivax's posts pacified me so much on day 1, because they were both filled with lots of useless fluff like "push your lynch target" and stupid shit like that.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 26 2014 19:21 GMT

#2811

Also am down for killing marv.

##vote chopin liszt

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 26 2014 20:04 GMT

#2838

On July 27 2014 04:22 Koshi wrote:

Show nested quote +

Can we get some sort of "Obiwan total view of the game" post from you?

Something that proves you are following this game, thinking about this game and contains your solution to winning this game.

I don't have a solution to winning this game right now and I'm not going to pretend to. If I see something that makes me gun really hard for someone, you bet your ass I will. But I don't see anything superscum as of right now.

I don't understand why you put so much effort into trying to kill me/pressure me every single time you roll town. If I have a really good read and I want to be heard, you'll hear it.

Though, for the sake of contributing, I will say that lynching VA at this point should be considered nothing more than a policy lynch for doing nothing. If we're actually lynching him for fakeclaiming and rescinding, that's like epicmafia levels of derp. People do it all the time there and I don't see any difference between then and now.

I really need someone to walk me through it and I don't feel like CR's explanation was good enough to warrant my vote. If we can find scummy shit besides the supposed fakeclaim, then yeah, I might be able to get behind it. I just don't see it as alignment indicative and this lynch feels kinda lazy.

Vivax's scumread on me earlier in day 1 felt really contrived, and in hindsight, I have no idea why I let him talk me out of pushing him when he started posting a bunch of generic advice like "do this to be read as town, or don't and be scum," or, "push your lynch target," etc etc. A bunch of people are townreading him because of meta, and I'd like that explained to me at some point.

Though I will admit that my vote on Marv is nothing more than an OMGUS because his lists/reasonings are really lazy and I'd prefer to not die. I guess that makes me kinda selfish. He looks nothing like the domineering, impactful player that he was in Order, either.

I actually intended to give you next to nothing but I guess I kind of rambled about some stuff.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 26 2014 20:06 GMT

#2841

On July 27 2014 04:51 Xatalos wrote:

Show nested quote +

On July 27 2014 04:30 Koshi wrote:

On July 27 2014 04:24 Xatalos wrote:

On July 27 2014 04:14 Koshi wrote:

On July 27 2014 02:27 GlowingBear wrote:

On July 27 2014 02:13 Koshi wrote:
Nha. afk 18 hours.

marv/VA

You are tunnelling. Really, you are.
Look, all we've got from those two are WIFOM scenarios. I find marv suspicious because he is not the aggressive marv I saw on vets vs juniors, but I don't know, I still believe he could be town. If you believe marv is hard defending Vayne, you also da believe that regarding Xatalos and if marv is scum, you have to admit that one of the. Is certainly town. You can use this argument against me because I said that Xatalos was being hard defended by possible scum, but this is only one of FIVE arguments not based on WIFOM.

Vayne's reason to lynch is WIFOM. Look, it all starts with "he fake claimed, so he is mafia". Then it goes to "but it is a bad move as mafia, so he is probably town". Then, "but marv and him probably made this so we think that they are both town when they are actually mafia". When you reach this level of thinking, you know it's WIFOM and that it's better to gather more information/search for actual facts than using this as the basis of a lynch.

I want to lynch into 3 people only:
Marv/VA/Xatalos

Both VA and Xatalos don't want to kill marv. Both VA and Xatalos want(ed) to kill each other.

The answer: Kill marv.

I think you should remove me and marv from today's lynch-list and look at other possibilities.

I've already explained why it's very risky to lynch marv today (huge loss if he's town, maybe even blue) and besides he's most likely absorbing a bullet tonight anyway. If not, then he has more time to use his analysis / role OR he'll be lynched for being alive / not really achieving much for that long. It's just better to postpone judgment on him.

As for me, well, I'm VT and I haven't really achieved that much yet. But it should be pretty evident from my play that this is not how I play scum. You only need to take a look at any of my scumgames. I never post freely in the thread whatever I'm thinking as scum.

THEN SHOW ME A BETTER LYNCH PLEASE.

Like really show it to me.

REALLY FUCKING make it obvious.

Because the only thing you do is sogt push me somewhere else and it annoys the living shit out of me because I think you are town.

Oh, and to this (forgot to post earlier):

I had a similar problem in Golden Sun where I just couldn't find great (or even decent) lynches. Although in that game it was made worse by the conversion mechanics. Here that problem doesn't exist, but I guess all the scum are pretty good at avoiding errors / blending in.

I don't think I can make a good case atm. There are various slightly suspicious posts by several people but nothing really truly stands out. At least in my opinion, at the moment. That's kind of why I'd want to the safe route and lynch someone like VA (okay chance of being scum, nothing lost if town).

This, a thousand times over this. I seriously don't get why people are pushing anything with certainty when there's not really a whole lot out there worth pushing. I feel like this VA lynch is kind of an excuse because, no matter what he flips, people will be glad he's gone.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 26 2014 20:08 GMT

#2842

On July 27 2014 05:04 Xatalos wrote:
Hm. I guess VA+ObiWan could work as a potential team?

Associative reads between unflipped players are dumb.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 26 2014 20:36 GMT

#2849

He probably isn't. But I don't think it matters because people are obsessed with murdering him regardless.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 27 2014 00:12 GMT

#2891

On July 27 2014 06:20 batsnacks wrote:

Show nested quote +

It's Obiwan and Xatalos.

wat

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 27 2014 00:58 GMT

#2892

Batsnacks I really need you to stop listening to the Marvborg because Holyflare is straight up lying about my meta at this point.

If you sheep anyone this game, sheep Koshi. Ignore everything that Marv/HF say and just go from there.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 27 2014 02:20 GMT

#2895

Do you ever sit down and realize that your analysis makes absolutely no sense to anyone but yourself?

Seriously, I can't even wrap my head around how unbelievably bad and useless it is. You aren't even basing your reads off of things.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 27 2014 02:30 GMT

#2897

I'm being nice. I am also being factual. Basing your reads off of unflipped players isn't going to help anyone; regardless of what VA flips, you don't really have any insight into what my alignment is.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 27 2014 02:37 GMT

#2898

Also, I don't get how you have two scumreads but you're voting someone else entirely.

Like...I don't get it.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 27 2014 03:00 GMT

#2908

Oh geez, I don't remember. I think I might have had some good vibes from his posts before but I don't remember, nor do I remember calling him town in the thread.

The most notable thing I remember GB doing off the top of my head was pushing you for rolefishing.

Will do some filter diving.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 27 2014 06:37 GMT

#2917

I don't understand how being wrong makes someone scum.

ObiWanShinobi

United States8089 Posts

July 27 2014 07:44 GMT

#2924

On July 27 2014 16:25 Vivax wrote:
Good morning.

Bats, you realize that you are the counterclaim and vayne just is some claimer. Not that it matters much but just to get things right.

However I like the idea that it was a scum strategy to lure out the real vig.
Could also have been the town agenda to play like an idiot and laugh at us, either way he should probably be lynched.

##Unvote
##Vote VA

What in the actual fuck is this?

How is it that you have no idea what to make of VA's agenda but you end up voting him anyway?

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