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On July 24 2014 20:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't like koshi's post at all. They are all rubbish.
CR's case on Xatalos is full of fluff. Who was the guy that just said "oh what a good case!"? Remember reading it somewhere but don't remember who.
Haru that's not a scum slip and you know that <3
Teemu, your posts were ok when skimming through your filter. I'm just cautious with you because they were also okay when you were mafia.
If Xatalos isn't mafia I'd totally focus koshi and CR
It was batsnacks who simply sheeped the case.
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On July 24 2014 20:13 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 20:12 Xatalos wrote:On July 24 2014 20:10 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't like koshi's post at all. They are all rubbish.
CR's case on Xatalos is full of fluff. Who was the guy that just said "oh what a good case!"? Remember reading it somewhere but don't remember who.
Haru that's not a scum slip and you know that <3
Teemu, your posts were ok when skimming through your filter. I'm just cautious with you because they were also okay when you were mafia.
If Xatalos isn't mafia I'd totally focus koshi and CR It was batsnacks who simply sheeped the case. Who should I vote if not you? Maybe I'll listen to you.
How about Damdred?
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On July 24 2014 20:14 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 20:10 Xatalos wrote:On July 24 2014 19:53 Koshi wrote:
I got to be honest here, I am a bit underwhelmed by your play this game Xatalos. How can somebody like you have so many votes on you? I guess it's my own fault for not being terribly focused + a lot of people not really knowing me. Xatalos. This looks kinda bad: Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 18:26 Xatalos wrote:I think most of the people on my wagon look pretty good. The most scummy vote is definitely batsnacks, since it was just an opportunistic bandwagon vote. If I had to bet on someone being scum on the wagon, it would be batsnacks (in big part thanks to that pretty apathetic&opportunistic vote). He's also not really paying attention to what he's reading since he pretty much started the issue of me "scumreading" VA >.> If you look a bit further than the actual wagon, you can see that Damdred has neatly set himself up for voting me without actually voting me yet. Maybe it's a bit hypocritical, considering my weak commitments so far, but this is the ultimate non-committing push on me (while still giving him the opportunity to vote for me later on): On July 23 2014 10:53 Damdred wrote:Heres my thoughts about Xatalos right now, hes just seems a bit odd to me right now. On July 23 2014 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
##Vote raynpelikoneet
Sigh Enters thread with an odd opening no sign of real communication. On July 23 2014 05:55 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 05:34 Vivax wrote:On July 23 2014 03:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, I'll join the random lynch thing.
I just saw Christ the Redeemer far away, and it looks like a T.
Therefore:
##Vote: Teemursu
Die. On July 23 2014 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
##Vote raynpelikoneet
Sigh Gut wise I don't like these entrances. I can see what you're getting at with that comment. Both of these posts are kind of apathetic. In any case, it's not much to work with. I'm town anyways and GB could be just playing around a bit. Follows it up by defending himself and glowing, she might be town but he definitely is cool. On July 23 2014 06:16 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 06:10 Chopin Liszt wrote:On July 23 2014 06:09 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 06:06 Chairman Ray wrote:The exchange between Xatalos and Koshi is the most awkward and forced conversation I have ever seen, especially this: On July 23 2014 05:41 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 03:04 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos it has been a while. I am town this game. You must be so happy. Hmm. I think I want you to live longer than D1 just for the "Mafia totes alive guis" mass PM. That, and my history of reading you is horrible. I have the vague idea that someone explained your meta to me in a recent game so I'll search for that. If we had two lynches, I'd lynch them both. ##Vote: Xatalos I don't think it's a good idea to lynch either of us for D1. Generally speaking. What does this mean? Koshi can look scummy during D1 as town so it's not usually a good time to lynch him. I'm generally active regardless of my alignment, and I become a (somewhat) valuable asset throughout the game as town and I tend to reveal myself more easily later on as scum (+leaving material to work with). Neither of us are ideal D1 lynches. But if someone looks and feels scummy and plays great scum in your mind why would you want to keep them around? Isn't it better if you honest think they are scum to take them out fast and not risk them swaying people against you? Bit weird talking about yourself their as well, I know you think yourself an asset but why even include the thing about the scum their? On July 23 2014 06:41 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 06:38 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 23 2014 06:26 Koshi wrote:
I think you are out of your mind if you think we had the most awkward conversation ever. I said "how happy are you I am town". How am I here being awkward?
Xatalos his answer might have been odd. But how can you say that even I am scummy? What kind of insane connection is that CR? Why isn't Xatalos scummy that can't reply to my awesome trick question???
Hmmmm? Your side of the conversation was fine, but that's to be expected of you whether you are scum or not. Xatalos was not fine. He pocketed you for the weirdest reason at the weirdest time. I'm leaning towards scum pocketing scum rather than scum pocketing town. As a sidenote, I'm extremely careful not to connect myself with my teammates as scum. You can see me bussing / semi-bussing / distancing my teammates in pretty much every game. I would never fake a friendly conversation with my teammate as scum, at least right away. This feels weird to trying to paint yourself as town by saying that you play scum one way and town another....whos to say that you don't change it up from time to time to make yourself look town? Overall I get a really odd vibe from Xatalos posts, and as others have posted he has singled out a couple of low fruit even though it hurts my pride. I'd like him to answer some before I change votes. On July 23 2014 10:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
^scum Also why Haru has seemed to be scum hunting in his posts so far. So those two are definitely the scummiest votes (or almost-votes) on me. You start with looking people at people who are voting you. But out of fucking nowhere you dig up an insane old case from HaruRH (who isn't voting you) and decide he is the most scummy person for making this case and you vote him. Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 18:34 Xatalos wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Damdred
Maybe batsnacks is just being really lazy. And by accident Damdred is also the guy that is getting momentum with Chopin and Vivax voting for him. Kinda coincidental. No?
To be fair I voted for him first, not that it matters too much. And Damdred was almost voting for me anyways.
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On July 24 2014 20:17 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos,
another question:
Xatalos (6) - Chairman Ray, GlowingBear, HaruRH, raynpelikoneet, Navillus, batsnacks
Out of all these people you only have issues with Batsnacks? I am looking at those names and I am pretty sure I don't have a clue on 4 of them.
And you are the one claiming having no grip on this game. While I already found 1 scum and 7 townreads.
Chairman Ray - his push on me isn't very good, but it seems reasonably genuine
GlowingBear - dunno, not particularly leaning in any direction atm
HaruRH - I think he's genuine enough, from looking at his filter earlier
rayn - dunno why his vote is (still) on me, but he's felt reasonably towny this time around
Navillus - dunno, I don't think I had any real issues with his vote earlier
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On July 24 2014 20:22 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 20:12 Vivax wrote:
So, Teemu and GB, care to give your opinion on the Damdred wagon and the chances of it hitting scum? I see a damdred wagon without a damdred case. What is the argument for lynching him? If there is not a single discussion, I think the chances aren't big. @Xatalos: what do you think of lynching koshi?
The argument is that he set up for voting me without any kind of commitment, didn't pursue that line of thought and has generally stayed almost invisible in the discussion while making a somehow passable amount of posts.
I think Koshi is acting stupid but it's not reason enough lynch him. He should be easier to read on D2+.
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On July 24 2014 20:26 Vivax wrote:Xata how can you feel CR's push seems genuine it gives me a different impression. If it were a push on me based on his reasons I wouldn't be as chill as you are. Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 20:22 GlowingBear wrote:On July 24 2014 20:12 Vivax wrote:
So, Teemu and GB, care to give your opinion on the Damdred wagon and the chances of it hitting scum? I see a damdred wagon without a damdred case. What is the argument for lynching him? If there is not a single discussion, I think the chances aren't big. @Xatalos: what do you think of lynching koshi? The reason is simple. His posts read like he cares, he posted a case on Xatalos without according followup, he promised stuff he didn't deilver, he doesn't post much at all. People like him are more likely to be scum over people like VA who openly look bad instead of hiding behind townie sounding posts.
I think it was the way he responded to my questions or something. It felt like he genuinely had a thought process behind his push and it wasn't just a fake push.
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On July 24 2014 20:27 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 18:26 Xatalos wrote:
I think most of the people on my wagon look pretty good. The most scummy vote is definitely batsnacks, since it was just an opportunistic bandwagon vote. If I had to bet on someone being scum on the wagon, it would be batsnacks (in big part thanks to that pretty apathetic&opportunistic vote). He's also not really paying attention to what he's reading since he pretty much started the issue of me "scumreading" VA >.> Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 20:23 Xatalos wrote:On July 24 2014 20:17 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos,
another question:
Xatalos (6) - Chairman Ray, GlowingBear, HaruRH, raynpelikoneet, Navillus, batsnacks
Out of all these people you only have issues with Batsnacks? I am looking at those names and I am pretty sure I don't have a clue on 4 of them.
And you are the one claiming having no grip on this game. While I already found 1 scum and 7 townreads. Chairman Ray - his push on me isn't very good, but it seems reasonably genuine GlowingBear - dunno, not particularly leaning in any direction atm HaruRH - I think he's genuine enough, from looking at his filter earlier rayn - dunno why his vote is (still) on me, but he's felt reasonably towny this time around Navillus - dunno, I don't think I had any real issues with his vote earlier Why do they look good if you have 0 clues on them.
Not looking that good or bad is better than just looking bad. I didn't have any real issues with any of those votes besides the vote from batsnacks.
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On July 24 2014 20:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 20:29 Xatalos wrote:On July 24 2014 20:22 GlowingBear wrote:On July 24 2014 20:12 Vivax wrote:
So, Teemu and GB, care to give your opinion on the Damdred wagon and the chances of it hitting scum? I see a damdred wagon without a damdred case. What is the argument for lynching him? If there is not a single discussion, I think the chances aren't big. @Xatalos: what do you think of lynching koshi? The argument is that he set up for voting me without any kind of commitment, didn't pursue that line of thought and has generally stayed almost invisible in the discussion while making a somehow passable amount of posts. I think Koshi is acting stupid but it's not reason enough lynch him. He should be easier to read on D2+. What would be an acceptable reason for you to scumread Koshi then, acting stupid not D1, but D2?
I have a terrible history of reading Koshi so I'll just quote a guideline I received from a player with better success reading him:
"Koshi I think is really easy to read, he becomes really obvious town some time on Night 1 or Day 2 if he is town. e.g. in ## mafia I thought he was suspicious on day 1 but mid day 2 he was easily my strongest townread. he bleeds his thought process into the thread. it's really transparent, you just gotta read and put yourself in his shoes."
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On July 24 2014 20:37 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 20:34 Xatalos wrote:On July 24 2014 20:26 Vivax wrote:Xata how can you feel CR's push seems genuine it gives me a different impression. If it were a push on me based on his reasons I wouldn't be as chill as you are. On July 24 2014 20:22 GlowingBear wrote:On July 24 2014 20:12 Vivax wrote:
So, Teemu and GB, care to give your opinion on the Damdred wagon and the chances of it hitting scum? I see a damdred wagon without a damdred case. What is the argument for lynching him? If there is not a single discussion, I think the chances aren't big. @Xatalos: what do you think of lynching koshi? The reason is simple. His posts read like he cares, he posted a case on Xatalos without according followup, he promised stuff he didn't deilver, he doesn't post much at all. People like him are more likely to be scum over people like VA who openly look bad instead of hiding behind townie sounding posts. I think it was the way he responded to my questions or something. It felt like he genuinely had a thought process behind his push and it wasn't just a fake push. Go into detail if you can. Show us your thought process while you quote one of the posts that made you get that idea. It's your head on the line so it's in your best interest, and also in mine to find out what you are.
I think this post felt genuine for example:
On July 24 2014 09:00 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 08:51 Xatalos wrote:On July 24 2014 08:47 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 24 2014 08:43 Xatalos wrote:
CR, what do you think of Koshi more recently? Do you have something else to share besides your misguided case on me? Why are you curious about Koshi? It's just that you wanted to lynch him early on but never mentioned him again. What is he now to you? Scum? Null? Town? What happened? Reads on other players would be nice as well. I already said this before, but there's an associative tell between you and Koshi which I can't ignore. Doesn't do much good before you flip.
Looking back at it, it's not really anything like a huge reason to think he's town.
Still there's the fact that he's been pushing me, bringing additional arguments etc. even when the lynch was already swinging into my direction. It feels more like a townie attitude. Scum would more likely watch from the sidelines or even distance themselves from a mislynch wagon.
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On July 24 2014 20:40 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 20:29 Xatalos wrote:On July 24 2014 20:22 GlowingBear wrote:On July 24 2014 20:12 Vivax wrote:
So, Teemu and GB, care to give your opinion on the Damdred wagon and the chances of it hitting scum? I see a damdred wagon without a damdred case. What is the argument for lynching him? If there is not a single discussion, I think the chances aren't big. @Xatalos: what do you think of lynching koshi? The argument is that he set up for voting me without any kind of commitment, didn't pursue that line of thought and has generally stayed almost invisible in the discussion while making a somehow passable amount of posts. I think Koshi is acting stupid but it's not reason enough lynch him. He should be easier to read on D2+. Going to look damdred's filter. Tbh I haven't seem anything really wrong with him. I remember observing a game where he was town and got mislynched by acting like that. But I'll check what you're saying. What about Rayn? He is voting you and went to full lurking. Do you think he is a better lynch? I'm reaching my university and 3G here doesn't work well
No idea what rayn is doing atm, but I think his attitude so far has been more in line with his town play.
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On July 24 2014 20:41 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 20:40 Xatalos wrote:On July 24 2014 20:31 Vivax wrote:On July 24 2014 20:29 Xatalos wrote:On July 24 2014 20:22 GlowingBear wrote:On July 24 2014 20:12 Vivax wrote:
So, Teemu and GB, care to give your opinion on the Damdred wagon and the chances of it hitting scum? I see a damdred wagon without a damdred case. What is the argument for lynching him? If there is not a single discussion, I think the chances aren't big. @Xatalos: what do you think of lynching koshi? The argument is that he set up for voting me without any kind of commitment, didn't pursue that line of thought and has generally stayed almost invisible in the discussion while making a somehow passable amount of posts. I think Koshi is acting stupid but it's not reason enough lynch him. He should be easier to read on D2+. What would be an acceptable reason for you to scumread Koshi then, acting stupid not D1, but D2? I have a terrible history of reading Koshi so I'll just quote a guideline I received from a player with better success reading him: "Koshi I think is really easy to read, he becomes really obvious town some time on Night 1 or Day 2 if he is town. e.g. in ## mafia I thought he was suspicious on day 1 but mid day 2 he was easily my strongest townread. he bleeds his thought process into the thread. it's really transparent, you just gotta read and put yourself in his shoes." If he bleeds his thought process in this game I'm sure you can tell me why exactly he's reading me as scum cause all I saw him doing was yelling and not explaining.
Apparently he's often bad/suspicious during D1 so maybe it will get better?
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On July 24 2014 20:43 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 20:37 Xatalos wrote:On July 24 2014 20:27 Koshi wrote:On July 24 2014 18:26 Xatalos wrote:
I think most of the people on my wagon look pretty good. The most scummy vote is definitely batsnacks, since it was just an opportunistic bandwagon vote. If I had to bet on someone being scum on the wagon, it would be batsnacks (in big part thanks to that pretty apathetic&opportunistic vote). He's also not really paying attention to what he's reading since he pretty much started the issue of me "scumreading" VA >.> On July 24 2014 20:23 Xatalos wrote:On July 24 2014 20:17 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos,
another question:
Xatalos (6) - Chairman Ray, GlowingBear, HaruRH, raynpelikoneet, Navillus, batsnacks
Out of all these people you only have issues with Batsnacks? I am looking at those names and I am pretty sure I don't have a clue on 4 of them.
And you are the one claiming having no grip on this game. While I already found 1 scum and 7 townreads. Chairman Ray - his push on me isn't very good, but it seems reasonably genuine GlowingBear - dunno, not particularly leaning in any direction atm HaruRH - I think he's genuine enough, from looking at his filter earlier rayn - dunno why his vote is (still) on me, but he's felt reasonably towny this time around Navillus - dunno, I don't think I had any real issues with his vote earlier Why do they look good if you have 0 clues on them. Not looking that good or bad is better than just looking bad. I didn't have any real issues with any of those votes besides the vote from batsnacks. Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 09:57 batsnacks wrote:
I'm going to sheep CR because I liked the case. Better than any case I could have made.
##Vote: xatalos
Someone ask me questions I feel scummy. But make sure they're nice questions or I'll probably just ignore them. You say the case from CR is pretty genuine, why can't batsnacks not believe in the case? and tbh, that CR case on you looked pretty good. I mean, the joke in the start was enough to vote you if Vivax wasn't so damn scummy the entire game.
Not sure if you're being serious... But I was just saying that his push felt genuine, not that it's good. Obviously it can't be good since it's incorrect.
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On July 24 2014 21:02 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 00:57 Koshi wrote:Yeah, I could really lynch Cav as well. Damn. I fucking told him to be more friendly and buddy me in a previous game. He is out of my sacred townlist. On July 23 2014 23:16 Koshi wrote:On July 23 2014 18:45 Koshi wrote:On July 23 2014 18:36 HaruRH wrote:On July 23 2014 18:32 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 23 2014 18:22 Koshi wrote:On July 23 2014 18:04 Palmar wrote:
Kosher might be mafia for not instasheeping my case Koshi flies solo this game. On July 23 2014 18:18 Chairman Ray wrote:On July 23 2014 17:23 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if people really think that Xatalos made that post and was serious about it. Silly guys.
Anyhoezels. Only 3 scummers. If you think scum makes a entrance post like Xatalos in this game as scum I don't know what to say... Unless you can proof he is going for the too scummy to be scum tactic. And I think Xatalos can't do that.
So Xatalos confirmed town. What are the two posts you are referring to? I am talking only about the listpost. Not the entrance tbh. That one was legit bad. I don't think the list thing is alignment indicative. What gives you the impression that it's town? Because koshi makes these listposts too and he dont want to be seen as a hypocrite for criticising it since he will do it too All these people are already bad lynches for D1: HaruRH teemursu ObiWanShinobi Navillus GlowingBear kushm4sta batsnacks Damdred I need to keep this updated for endgame gloating. Bad lynches for D1: HaruRH teemursu Navillus Xatalos kushm4sta batsnacks Damdred Really good lynches for D1: Vivax ObiWanShinobi I apologize to all my fans that I have to put somebody from the townlist straight into the can lynch list. These are grave mistakes. Bad lynches for D1: HaruRH teemursu Navillus kushm4sta batsnacks Damdred Palmar VayneAuthority raynpelikoneet GlowingBear Probably town but what can I do: Xatalos Special mention: Chairman Ray Really good lynches for D1: Vivax ObiWanShinobi Chopin Liszt ------ Town MVP after game = thx. I have a bad feeling Kush also has this list. Hmm. Crazy.
You can stop repeating that Vivax is scum when he's not getting lynched anyway.
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Chopin, you think batsnacks is a better lynch than Damdred?
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On July 24 2014 21:23 Xatalos wrote:
Chopin, you think batsnacks is a better lynch than Damdred?
Well, you're voting for Damdred, but you've been mostly talking about batsnacks.
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On July 24 2014 21:28 HaruRH wrote:
And xatalos is the scummer.
I really wanted to post the seal picture in response to this, but it would ruin the sanctity of that picture.
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Oh, there's only 3 hours left. What's the vote count?
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EPT
