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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 24 2014 00:05 GMT
#940
On July 24 2014 09:00 Chairman Ray wrote:
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On July 24 2014 08:51 Xatalos wrote:
On July 24 2014 08:47 Chairman Ray wrote:
On July 24 2014 08:43 Xatalos wrote:
CR, what do you think of Koshi more recently? Do you have something else to share besides your misguided case on me?


Why are you curious about Koshi?


It's just that you wanted to lynch him early on but never mentioned him again. What is he now to you? Scum? Null? Town? What happened?

Reads on other players would be nice as well.


I already said this before, but there's an associative tell between you and Koshi which I can't ignore. Doesn't do much good before you flip.


What's with this game and all this connection speculation >.>

So if I'm scum, Koshi is scum... But Koshi isn't individually scummy?

Do you have other reads?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 24 2014 00:08 GMT
#942
On July 24 2014 09:03 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 08:55 Xatalos wrote:
On July 24 2014 08:48 kushm4sta wrote:
On July 24 2014 08:37 Xatalos wrote:
On July 24 2014 08:33 kushm4sta wrote:
On July 24 2014 08:31 Xatalos wrote:
kush: You shouldn't use the term "wagon of justice" so casually

it was actually your question of what made it so obvious that made me look through his filter which changed my mind <3


What was your earlier (unrevealed) reasoning for him being scum?


well mostly I couldn't townread him immediately, which I was able to do in the last two towngames I played with him.
I didn't see any townie content in his early posts. I thought his overreaction was scummy. But I looked at his last towngame and he also overreacted when someone called him scum. Whereas he doesn't overreact when he's actually scum.


I don't think that's really something you needed to hide earlier Whatever.

So your scumreads are Chopin+Vivax? Why Chopin? And don't you think Vivax has contributed quite a bit lately?


xatalos i didn't exactly mean to hide it. it's more like I didn't feel like actually looking through his filter and compiling the reasons.

not sure in either of those other reads. chopin one came from chopin attacking batsnacks. vivax one came from vivax wanting to lynch people I think are town. Also some very rough PoE. yes those reads are shit lol. That's why I made a shitty list instead of actually writing about them. Kind of like you did.




Hopefully it'll get better from here..
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 24 2014 00:12 GMT
#944
On July 24 2014 09:10 Chairman Ray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 09:05 Xatalos wrote:
On July 24 2014 09:00 Chairman Ray wrote:
On July 24 2014 08:51 Xatalos wrote:
On July 24 2014 08:47 Chairman Ray wrote:
On July 24 2014 08:43 Xatalos wrote:
CR, what do you think of Koshi more recently? Do you have something else to share besides your misguided case on me?


Why are you curious about Koshi?


It's just that you wanted to lynch him early on but never mentioned him again. What is he now to you? Scum? Null? Town? What happened?

Reads on other players would be nice as well.


I already said this before, but there's an associative tell between you and Koshi which I can't ignore. Doesn't do much good before you flip.


What's with this game and all this connection speculation >.>

So if I'm scum, Koshi is scum... But Koshi isn't individually scummy?

Do you have other reads?


That's not exactly my read on you and Koshi, and furthermore it's pointless to discuss now.

Why are you interested in my other reads?


Why is it pointless? Please explain.

Why wouldn't I be? You've almost only talked about me so far.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 24 2014 08:53 GMT
#999
To be fair I think CR scumread me for my own play and Koshi for connection stuff, but I'm not completely sure since CR hasn't elaborated on that point yet.

Actually it'd be pretty crucial to hit scum today since their KP is related to their numbers. If we manage to hit scum now, it would severely weaken them in the following days.

The problem is that I don't really have any significant scumreads atm. Getting myself lynched wouldn't be a good idea either, though, especially since hitting scum would have a bigger effect than usual.

More to come...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 24 2014 09:26 GMT
#1003
I think most of the people on my wagon look pretty good. The most scummy vote is definitely batsnacks, since it was just an opportunistic bandwagon vote. If I had to bet on someone being scum on the wagon, it would be batsnacks (in big part thanks to that pretty apathetic&opportunistic vote). He's also not really paying attention to what he's reading since he pretty much started the issue of me "scumreading" VA >.>

If you look a bit further than the actual wagon, you can see that Damdred has neatly set himself up for voting me without actually voting me yet. Maybe it's a bit hypocritical, considering my weak commitments so far, but this is the ultimate non-committing push on me (while still giving him the opportunity to vote for me later on):

On July 23 2014 10:53 Damdred wrote:
Heres my thoughts about Xatalos right now, hes just seems a bit odd to me right now.

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On July 23 2014 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
##Vote raynpelikoneet

Sigh


Enters thread with an odd opening no sign of real communication.
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On July 23 2014 05:55 Xatalos wrote:
On July 23 2014 05:34 Vivax wrote:
On July 23 2014 03:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, I'll join the random lynch thing.
I just saw Christ the Redeemer far away, and it looks like a T.
Therefore:
##Vote: Teemursu

Die.


On July 23 2014 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
##Vote raynpelikoneet

Sigh


Gut wise I don't like these entrances.


I can see what you're getting at with that comment. Both of these posts are kind of apathetic. In any case, it's not much to work with. I'm town anyways and GB could be just playing around a bit.


Follows it up by defending himself and glowing, she might be town but he definitely is cool.

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On July 23 2014 06:16 Xatalos wrote:
On July 23 2014 06:10 Chopin Liszt wrote:
On July 23 2014 06:09 Xatalos wrote:
On July 23 2014 06:06 Chairman Ray wrote:
The exchange between Xatalos and Koshi is the most awkward and forced conversation I have ever seen, especially this:

On July 23 2014 05:41 Xatalos wrote:
On July 23 2014 03:04 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos it has been a while. I am town this game. You must be so happy.


Hmm. I think I want you to live longer than D1 just for the "Mafia totes alive guis" mass PM. That, and my history of reading you is horrible. I have the vague idea that someone explained your meta to me in a recent game so I'll search for that.


If we had two lynches, I'd lynch them both.

##Vote: Xatalos


I don't think it's a good idea to lynch either of us for D1. Generally speaking.

What does this mean?


Koshi can look scummy during D1 as town so it's not usually a good time to lynch him. I'm generally active regardless of my alignment, and I become a (somewhat) valuable asset throughout the game as town and I tend to reveal myself more easily later on as scum (+leaving material to work with). Neither of us are ideal D1 lynches.


But if someone looks and feels scummy and plays great scum in your mind why would you want to keep them around? Isn't it better if you honest think they are scum to take them out fast and not risk them swaying people against you? Bit weird talking about yourself their as well, I know you think yourself an asset but why even include the thing about the scum their?

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On July 23 2014 06:41 Xatalos wrote:
On July 23 2014 06:38 Chairman Ray wrote:
On July 23 2014 06:26 Koshi wrote:
I think you are out of your mind if you think we had the most awkward conversation ever. I said "how happy are you I am town". How am I here being awkward?

Xatalos his answer might have been odd. But how can you say that even I am scummy? What kind of insane connection is that CR? Why isn't Xatalos scummy that can't reply to my awesome trick question???

Hmmmm?


Your side of the conversation was fine, but that's to be expected of you whether you are scum or not. Xatalos was not fine. He pocketed you for the weirdest reason at the weirdest time. I'm leaning towards scum pocketing scum rather than scum pocketing town.


As a sidenote, I'm extremely careful not to connect myself with my teammates as scum. You can see me bussing / semi-bussing / distancing my teammates in pretty much every game. I would never fake a friendly conversation with my teammate as scum, at least right away.


This feels weird to trying to paint yourself as town by saying that you play scum one way and town another....whos to say that you don't change it up from time to time to make yourself look town?

Overall I get a really odd vibe from Xatalos posts, and as others have posted he has singled out a couple of low fruit even though it hurts my pride. I'd like him to answer some before I change votes.

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On July 23 2014 10:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
^scum


Also why Haru has seemed to be scum hunting in his posts so far.


So those two are definitely the scummiest votes (or almost-votes) on me.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 24 2014 09:32 GMT
#1007
I'd be fine with either of those two getting lynched today really. It's a decent chance of hitting scum in both cases and nothing lost if the lynch is a mistake.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 24 2014 09:34 GMT
#1009
##Unvote
##Vote Damdred

Maybe batsnacks is just being really lazy.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 24 2014 09:35 GMT
#1012
On July 24 2014 18:33 Chopin Liszt wrote:
It's definitely tempting to kill Xatalos just for the amusement of the "I'm a bad d1 lynch" thing. I'm not really sure why he's supposed to be mafia though. CR's case was too long, skipped it.

batsnacks looks less horrendous than yesterday. Maybe. I am missing a lurking mafia somewhere if it's not him, for sure.


"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 24 2014 09:37 GMT
#1017
I've seen Palmar being lazy/inactive as town before. I think he'll become more apathetic with time if he's actually scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 24 2014 09:43 GMT
#1023
On July 24 2014 18:42 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 18:40 Navillus wrote:
Basically this whole page ninja'd me, so wondering: why damdred instead of another lurker? I didn't get much more of a read on him than palmer/va/glowbear/batsnacks, so what makes him look scummy but not them?


Wouldn't call batsnacks a lurker, and Vayne has to be vigged, Palmar is readable to some extent. Glowbear I don't think is scum atm.


+1
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 24 2014 09:46 GMT
#1025
I wouldn't really call 3 pages of filter during D1 lurking..
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 24 2014 09:47 GMT
#1030
On July 24 2014 18:46 Navillus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 18:42 Vivax wrote:
On July 24 2014 18:40 Navillus wrote:
Basically this whole page ninja'd me, so wondering: why damdred instead of another lurker? I didn't get much more of a read on him than palmer/va/glowbear/batsnacks, so what makes him look scummy but not them?


Wouldn't call batsnacks a lurker, and Vayne has to be vigged, Palmar is readable to some extent. Glowbear I don't think is scum atm.


re: batsnacks I see some jokes, a poem, a sheeped vote, some questions and some discussion that's not even close to being about his reads or thoughts on people. I'd invite you to reread his filter because I literally cannot find anything I'd call scumhunting there since xata's list post.


It's not a bad lynch, yeah. Especially after his vote.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 24 2014 09:53 GMT
#1036
It'd be kind of too obvious if Damdred+Navillus were scum together Would Navillus really do that as Damdred's teammate......
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 24 2014 09:55 GMT
#1039
Although I guess it's possible since scum lose a lot of their power by losing teammates in this setup.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 24 2014 09:56 GMT
#1040
On July 24 2014 18:54 Palmar wrote:
I didn't say damdred was scum. Just navillus


Why would Navillus deflect attention away from town Damdred as scum?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 24 2014 10:00 GMT
#1047
On July 24 2014 18:57 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 18:56 Xatalos wrote:
On July 24 2014 18:54 Palmar wrote:
I didn't say damdred was scum. Just navillus


Why would Navillus deflect attention away from town Damdred as scum?

To produce cheap correct content. Idk. Maybe dude is scum too. But navillus is mafia


Hm. It's possible. I think Damdred is the better choice though.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 24 2014 10:11 GMT
#1051
Navillus, it's difficult to get a "guaranteed" scum on D1. Damdred at least is likely enough.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 24 2014 10:38 GMT
#1059
It'd be good if you could read the first part of the sentence instead of only the second one, Haru.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 24 2014 10:45 GMT
#1062
On July 24 2014 18:32 Xatalos wrote:
I'd be fine with either of those two getting lynched today really. It's a decent chance of hitting scum in both cases and nothing lost if the lynch is a mistake.


Better than lynching into nulls, no?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9673 Posts
July 24 2014 11:10 GMT
#1078
On July 24 2014 19:53 Koshi wrote:
I got to be honest here, I am a bit underwhelmed by your play this game Xatalos. How can somebody like you have so many votes on you?


I guess it's my own fault for not being terribly focused + a lot of people not really knowing me.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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