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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 17:32 GMT
#699
On July 24 2014 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 02:30 Xatalos wrote:
GB's confidence in me being scum is actually pretty shocking. It's like he initially decided that I would be his vote target and proceeded to search for justification to keep his vote on me. There is literally no consideration for me possibly being town in his filter. In his latest post he confidently states that "mafia changed the attention away from Xatalos". This is some really stupid confirmation bias or a hopeless scum mislynch push. I think it's actually more likely coming from scum since it feels... forced. Especially his great confidence in his read right after the game had just started.

I don't like this post for multiple reasons.


Hm?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 17:40 GMT
#705
On July 24 2014 02:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Oof. Caught up with a little bit of skimming

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On July 24 2014 02:13 Xatalos wrote:
Oh yeah, GlowingBear was also voting me.

GB: Don't you think basing your scumread on a single listpost (that most people seem to consider as null) is a bit weak? And when you say that "mafia changed the focus" which players are you suggesting did that -> are scum?


I do believe that basing my scumread in a single list post is weak. But I think that your follow up was also scum because, as people said before, you don't seem like to scum hunt at any point of the game. This, summed up with the problems I noticed on your post, makes my scumread at you.

I don't have a good idea of which players, as town could've brought another case and scum tried to hop on the wagon to disrupt attention, or mafia could've started it and townies jumped on. But if I had to guess, I'd guess shinobi is mafia for saying "god, no discussion" when I added a case on your list post (which could be read as a good case or bad case, whatever - it was at least a discussion starter). Even after that, he tried to change the focus to discuss a policy lynch on Chopin. Lol. Let's discuss policies lynch but ignore a case? Nope.


Don't you think I've been scumhunting by, for example, trying to discover Vivax's alignment? Oh well. It's true that I've been a bit lazy so far.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 17:42 GMT
#707
Hm..
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 17:43 GMT
#711
On July 24 2014 02:37 Vivax wrote:
I found GB's big post pretty townie cause he tries really hard to get a point across he seems to find tough to bring across, and in the process of reading it you kinda get that aha-feeling for all he found scummy about Xata, and can understand it and realize that it's probably what he really thinks

This is directed at you, Xata.


I just found it weird how he could be so confident based on such weak reasoning.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 17:49 GMT
#715
On July 24 2014 02:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 02:38 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 24 2014 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 24 2014 02:30 Xatalos wrote:
GB's confidence in me being scum is actually pretty shocking. It's like he initially decided that I would be his vote target and proceeded to search for justification to keep his vote on me. There is literally no consideration for me possibly being town in his filter. In his latest post he confidently states that "mafia changed the attention away from Xatalos". This is some really stupid confirmation bias or a hopeless scum mislynch push. I think it's actually more likely coming from scum since it feels... forced. Especially his great confidence in his read right after the game had just started.

I don't like this post for multiple reasons.


I hate when you post like this. Explain?

First two sentences are totally wrong and if Xatalos thinks so he needs to justify it which he has not done.
Why can't mafia change atttention out of mafia? I mean obviously, regardless of Xatalos' alignment he "reads himself" as town and says so, but that's not any proof of what ACTUALLY happened.
Where is the conf bias?
Confidence is not a scumtell unless he explains why.


Obviously scum can change attention away from scum. It was just that he was so certain (somehow) of me being scum that he assumed that's what's actually happened... which felt weird. Besides, I still have a lot of attention and it's not like I'm trying to hide or anything?

Could be town confidence I guess. It's just the way how he's been +1'ing suspicions on me so eagerly. Is it in line with the level of his scumread's reasoning? I think it's a bit too much.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 18:01 GMT
#721
On July 24 2014 02:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
let's lynch all the people who said VA is Xatalos' scumread?
jjust because that was so bad.

Palmar you in?


LOL

Anyways... Ok, GB's push isn't really scummy. Still based on weak reasons, but it could as well be coming from town. I guess I've just been having a hard time believing that I'd make a townie that confident in myself being scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 18:06 GMT
#727
On July 24 2014 03:00 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 02:40 Xatalos wrote:
On July 24 2014 02:35 GlowingBear wrote:
Oof. Caught up with a little bit of skimming

On July 24 2014 02:13 Xatalos wrote:
Oh yeah, GlowingBear was also voting me.

GB: Don't you think basing your scumread on a single listpost (that most people seem to consider as null) is a bit weak? And when you say that "mafia changed the focus" which players are you suggesting did that -> are scum?


I do believe that basing my scumread in a single list post is weak. But I think that your follow up was also scum because, as people said before, you don't seem like to scum hunt at any point of the game. This, summed up with the problems I noticed on your post, makes my scumread at you.

I don't have a good idea of which players, as town could've brought another case and scum tried to hop on the wagon to disrupt attention, or mafia could've started it and townies jumped on. But if I had to guess, I'd guess shinobi is mafia for saying "god, no discussion" when I added a case on your list post (which could be read as a good case or bad case, whatever - it was at least a discussion starter). Even after that, he tried to change the focus to discuss a policy lynch on Chopin. Lol. Let's discuss policies lynch but ignore a case? Nope.


Don't you think I've been scumhunting by, for example, trying to discover Vivax's alignment? Oh well. It's true that I've been a bit lazy so far.


I've just went through your filter. You were saying that when Vivax is scum he mostly lurks. You hesitate on voting him but after people start saying you're too passive you vote for him. Ben Vivax start posting a little bit more and BOOM you Unvote him. Then you jump on Navi wagon, not reeeeally expressing a strong read.

It was funny because when I saw you vote on Vivax I thought "it means nothing, he may be voting just to show 'scum hunt'. He could just Unvote and change focus to an existing wagon.". Less than one page you do this.

And the funny thing is: as an example of scum hunting, you bring your vote on Vivax instead of your vote on Navi, which confirms what I thought of you.

I am pretty certain I am sustaining my vote on you with this other evidence you provided me. If nothing really big happens, I won't change my vote and I invite townies to read my posts against you to see if they agree with me and jump on the wagon.

It also seems that you and Vivax are distancing from each other; which I find suspicious but I'll have to take a better look later.


Whatever, I doubt you'll change your mind anytime soon.

By the way, that's actually not a bad post. It's just too bad that the conclusion is still wrong.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 22:00 GMT
#871
rayn, so you think ObiWan is scum? Have you played with him before?

I dunno about his meta, but he doesn't feel like he's afraid of getting attention at all. He's also posted quite a bit so far. It's more indicative of town to me.

He's showed reluctance to take stances, but it could just be genuinely not having many strong opinions.

Is there something else on him besides the wishy-washiness?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 22:40 GMT
#886
There really is quite a bit of fluff/spam in ObiWan's filter.

Navillus, the reason why I don't really have "aggressive reads" atm is that I simply don't have any strong scumreads.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 22:41 GMT
#887
There used to be a time when I would aggressively push even the weakest of reads. That time has long since passed.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 22:43 GMT
#890
On July 24 2014 07:42 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 07:41 Xatalos wrote:
There used to be a time when I would aggressively push even the weakest of reads. That time has long since passed.


You can still do it the next game when you roll town


"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 22:59 GMT
#899
kush, what makes you so confident in your scumread on ObiWan? I just can't think of anything that would make him particularly scummy.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 23:02 GMT
#901
On July 24 2014 08:00 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 07:59 Xatalos wrote:
kush, what makes you so confident in your scumread on ObiWan? I just can't think of anything that would make him particularly scummy.


What makes you think that obi has nothing particularly scummy outside of the possibility that you are defending your scumpartner and you're waiting for the moment to bus him?


Huh?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 23:16 GMT
#914
On July 24 2014 08:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
xatalos go?


Hm? I'm still somewhat here for a moment so ask away.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 23:30 GMT
#928
I haven't really been too productive so far, that's true. And the stuff with "attention whoring" and the like... :D:D:D That's a pretty far-fetched reasoning of finding me scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 23:31 GMT
#929
kush: You shouldn't use the term "wagon of justice" so casually
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 23:37 GMT
#932
On July 24 2014 08:33 kushm4sta wrote:
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On July 24 2014 08:31 Xatalos wrote:
kush: You shouldn't use the term "wagon of justice" so casually

it was actually your question of what made it so obvious that made me look through his filter which changed my mind <3


What was your earlier (unrevealed) reasoning for him being scum?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 23:43 GMT
#933
CR, what do you think of Koshi more recently? Do you have something else to share besides your misguided case on me?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 23:51 GMT
#936
On July 24 2014 08:47 Chairman Ray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 08:43 Xatalos wrote:
CR, what do you think of Koshi more recently? Do you have something else to share besides your misguided case on me?


Why are you curious about Koshi?


It's just that you wanted to lynch him early on but never mentioned him again. What is he now to you? Scum? Null? Town? What happened?

Reads on other players would be nice as well.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 23 2014 23:55 GMT
#937
On July 24 2014 08:48 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 08:37 Xatalos wrote:
On July 24 2014 08:33 kushm4sta wrote:
On July 24 2014 08:31 Xatalos wrote:
kush: You shouldn't use the term "wagon of justice" so casually

it was actually your question of what made it so obvious that made me look through his filter which changed my mind <3


What was your earlier (unrevealed) reasoning for him being scum?


well mostly I couldn't townread him immediately, which I was able to do in the last two towngames I played with him.
I didn't see any townie content in his early posts. I thought his overreaction was scummy. But I looked at his last towngame and he also overreacted when someone called him scum. Whereas he doesn't overreact when he's actually scum.


I don't think that's really something you needed to hide earlier Whatever.

So your scumreads are Chopin+Vivax? Why Chopin? And don't you think Vivax has contributed quite a bit lately?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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