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On July 23 2014 20:46 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 20:44 Xatalos wrote:
Koshi: Navillus has posted a ton of opinions, but don't you think they're pretty inconclusive and weak? Granted it's D1, but some of his posts feel like... "It could be X, but it could be Y" leaving his options as open as possible. What the fuck do you expect that early? At least he is doing something. In how many games is scum giving their opinion on literally everybody and anything that happens in the game as only one in the thread? Palmar / Vivax are probably scum this game.
Palmar?
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Hmm... I'm starting to think that Vivax might be town after all. He's stayed pretty active and involved for a while now.
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On July 23 2014 23:38 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 23:37 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm... I'm starting to think that Vivax might be town after all. He's stayed pretty active and involved for a while now. LoL As if scum would give up in this setup. Are you for real? What kind of dumb logic is this Xatalos?
Last time I saw Vivax as scum, he truly didn't seem to care about much of anything and was very lurky. But in this game, at least recently, he's maintained a good amount of activity and his posts have also felt reasonably constructive. I checked some of his past games earlier and it seems like he's considerably more active and involved as town - more fitting with his recent play, whereas earlier he was more apathetic.
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On July 23 2014 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
never seen kushmasta this town.
Damdred makes a terrible post on Xatalos (because the post lacks any conclusion and/or follow up). Cava calls the post good (apparently because he has a townread on damdred he "guesses"). Haru says Xatalos is buddying and apparently that's scummy? Well it's not. Then Cava says he doesn't want to pick a side regarding Xatalos. But in fact he kinda has (see townread on damdred).
CR has the best approach to Xatalos situation. It makes sense although i don't know if it makres Xatalos mafia but regardless it makes sense. All other shit on Xatalos is crap and idk why anyone thinks it's any good..
Navillus post badbad.
##vote: Navillus
Teemursu why are you leaning scum on Xatalos?
Palmar town. Shopping List is right. Teemursu gave a strange weak defence on Xatalos after calling him probably scum. Koshi what the fuck are you doing - except for the Vivax stuff?
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Cava could also be mafia, and damdred, and Haru. ugh.. that's too stupid.
but Koshi for reals what the fuck?
You mention my name a lot but I don't see your own opinion of me? Null, I take it?
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On July 23 2014 23:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Xatalos what about vivax' posting is reasonably constructive?
can you gimme some posts that fall into the category you are describing?
Stuff like this:
On July 23 2014 20:55 Vivax wrote:
I'm saying that what you say isn't correct. He talks about post formatting and Xatalos, and replies to a guy asking him about someone else in the first posts you quoted as being townie and giving his thoughts freely.
tl;dr: The reasons you use for reading him seem fake, and what you said in the last post I quoted is a gross exaggeration of what he's supposedly doing.
On July 23 2014 23:03 Vivax wrote:
Don't think Obi is scum for what it's worth. He is a very nervous/demoralized mafia player, at least in his past games. Don't see it fitting for him to throw around votes and joke and be generally rather carefree if he was scum, like when he came out begging for a townread jokingly.
On July 23 2014 23:10 Vivax wrote:
I simply don't see how any town in his right mind could disagree with what Palmar said about navi. It just hits the spot, navi himself agrees that the post looks bad, hence why it's utterly unwarranted that Koshi would townread him so easily for the reasons he gave and refused to elaborate on.
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Yeah... I'm starting to think that Navillus could be the better lynch today.
##Unvote
##Vote Navillus
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Because I looked at some of his past games and he was generally apathetic/inactive as scum and involved/active as town. His early posting fit the former, his recent posting fits the latter.
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On July 23 2014 23:45 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2014 23:44 Xatalos wrote:On July 23 2014 23:38 Koshi wrote:On July 23 2014 23:37 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm... I'm starting to think that Vivax might be town after all. He's stayed pretty active and involved for a while now. LoL As if scum would give up in this setup. Are you for real? What kind of dumb logic is this Xatalos? Last time I saw Vivax as scum, he truly didn't seem to care about much of anything and was very lurky. But in this game, at least recently, he's maintained a good amount of activity and his posts have also felt reasonably constructive. I checked some of his past games earlier and it seems like he's considerably more active and involved as town - more fitting with his recent play, whereas earlier he was more apathetic. Vivax can care. We seen it in the last Storm mafia 2. Or when he replaced into some game as well. Anyway. Don't be fooled.
Oh yeah, to this: in any case, it's not a good idea to lynch him now since if he's scum, he's bound to become apathetic at some point.
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On July 24 2014 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so after those good posts Vivax made you have been here in thread. Why didn't you unvote then and only after i call you out on your contradiction..
Are you suggesting that it's somehow scummy? I simply hadn't typed the unvote yet. I usually prefer to unvote+vote at the same time and I was thinking if Navillus really would be the best lynch candidate atm.
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On July 24 2014 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
alsoalsoalso, why didnät you call out those bad cases on you? you should have been the first one to realize they are shit.
I think I did mention that it's stupid to call me "infinitely scummy" for a single listpost, but overall I don't feel like it's inherently scummy to make bad cases. It's D1 after all, good cases are rare.
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On July 24 2014 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 00:15 Xatalos wrote:On July 24 2014 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
alsoalsoalso, why didnät you call out those bad cases on you? you should have been the first one to realize they are shit. I think I did mention that it's stupid to call me "infinitely scummy" for a single listpost, but overall I don't feel like it's inherently scummy to make bad cases. It's D1 after all, good cases are rare. no it's not scummy to make bad cases. that's not what i am suggesting. did you even read my post and what it was referring to? i am not calling anyone mafia for making bad cases. damdred made a posts that really said nothing. he didn't follow that up in any way - even when there were questions which you didn't even answer. Cava called damdred town for that post, then he called you not necessarily scum. first of all that post was not good, second, he cannot give damdred a town read if he does not think you are scummy. because he didn't call the case bad. you either agree with a case or not, he didn't do either but STILL the post was somehow good. like, he semi-agreed with it without saying so. wishy-washy as fuck. Haru called you out for buddying after those two guys. Buddying is not scummy unless you explain why. Stupid as fuck. Teemu called you scummy for who knows why. Now why didn't YOU call these people out for those things? Like do you want people just attack you for dumb shit and do nothing about it? Or scared of saying something that is ACTUALLY scummy? idk.. i just can't see why you would like to have bad cases on you running around without cutting them out straight up.
I'm not really worried about being lynched and I know my own alignment, so it's kind of nice to have initial suspicions on me to see how they develop / how other players react. At least it's better than everyone sheeping to some lurker. Plus there isn't really much to say about those posts you mentioned. They're either weak suspicions or not even real suspicions at all.
Damdred's post has probably been the most useless one, yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if there's scum among this group.
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On July 24 2014 00:39 kushm4sta wrote:
cause i know you love lists...
1. HaruRH
2. Koshi
3. teemursu
4. Chopin Liszt
5. VayneAuthority
6. raynpelikoneet
7. ObiWanShinobi
8. Navillus
9. GlowingBear
10. kushm4sta
11. Chairman Ray
12. Vivax
13. Xatalos
14. batsnacks
15. Damdred
16. Palmar
Haha dat list 
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On July 24 2014 00:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2014 00:47 Xatalos wrote:On July 24 2014 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 24 2014 00:15 Xatalos wrote:On July 24 2014 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
alsoalsoalso, why didnät you call out those bad cases on you? you should have been the first one to realize they are shit. I think I did mention that it's stupid to call me "infinitely scummy" for a single listpost, but overall I don't feel like it's inherently scummy to make bad cases. It's D1 after all, good cases are rare. no it's not scummy to make bad cases. that's not what i am suggesting. did you even read my post and what it was referring to? i am not calling anyone mafia for making bad cases. damdred made a posts that really said nothing. he didn't follow that up in any way - even when there were questions which you didn't even answer. Cava called damdred town for that post, then he called you not necessarily scum. first of all that post was not good, second, he cannot give damdred a town read if he does not think you are scummy. because he didn't call the case bad. you either agree with a case or not, he didn't do either but STILL the post was somehow good. like, he semi-agreed with it without saying so. wishy-washy as fuck. Haru called you out for buddying after those two guys. Buddying is not scummy unless you explain why. Stupid as fuck. Teemu called you scummy for who knows why. Now why didn't YOU call these people out for those things? Like do you want people just attack you for dumb shit and do nothing about it? Or scared of saying something that is ACTUALLY scummy? idk.. i just can't see why you would like to have bad cases on you running around without cutting them out straight up. I'm not really worried about being lynched and I know my own alignment, so it's kind of nice to have initial suspicions on me to see how they develop / how other players react. At least it's better than everyone sheeping to some lurker. Plus there isn't really much to say about those posts you mentioned. They're either weak suspicions or not even real suspicions at all. Damdred's post has probably been the most useless one, yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if there's scum among this group. Exactly who and why?
Probably not Teemursu. He's been pretty involved and expressed clear opinions so far. It's not like he's even having me as a strong scumread, just a FOS or something, which doesn't seem that unreasonable.
Damdred is potential scum. Seems like he's mostly been trying to stay under the radar and he's pretty cautious / passive.
Dunno about Haru atm. Null. His reasons for suspecting me are kind of dumb, but not totally outrageous when there's little to work with during D1. TBD.
ObiWan and batsnacks didn't really give much of an opinion on me and just townread Damdred. Kind of weird, I guess... There could be scum among these two. ObiWan felt somewhat townish earlier though.
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On July 24 2014 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hey Xatalos quick question - are you using mafia tools this game?
Nope. Actually it's been my goal to finish work on it this summer, but somehow I've been delaying it and it's still under construction. It might still be good to use it to keep track of all these unknown players in its current state. Have you been using it btw?
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Apparently most of the thread thought I was scumreading VA before he even made his first post >.>
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By the way, my real name is Teemu so it's kind of disturbing when you call Teemursu as "Teemu".
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On July 24 2014 02:10 kushm4sta wrote:
that is a kickass name
Thanks. I guess.
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Oh yeah, GlowingBear was also voting me.
GB: Don't you think basing your scumread on a single listpost (that most people seem to consider as null) is a bit weak? And when you say that "mafia changed the focus" which players are you suggesting did that -> are scum?
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GB's confidence in me being scum is actually pretty shocking. It's like he initially decided that I would be his vote target and proceeded to search for justification to keep his vote on me. There is literally no consideration for me possibly being town in his filter. In his latest post he confidently states that "mafia changed the attention away from Xatalos". This is some really stupid confirmation bias or a hopeless scum mislynch push. I think it's actually more likely coming from scum since it feels... forced. Especially his great confidence in his read right after the game had just started.
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