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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 13:56 GMT
#3002
Battery is running out on my phone, there's an hour left until lynch? How are the votes? Anyone else online?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 14:02 GMT
#3006
On July 27 2014 22:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2014 22:51 Vivax wrote:
On July 27 2014 22:44 GlowingBear wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Vivax

How do you read Xatalos, Vivax?

We need a vote count


I read him as very active, and very chill when accused of doing something scummy.
I checked his town games cause I feel he has a very laid back approach this game, and felt it was similar in those.

Not comfortable lynching him today, that is certain.


Ok. So, why should I believe that you and him are not the mafia pair? Tell me how this idea is not possible.


At least I'm not scum, so there's that.

Better reason could be that we're both beavy townreads by marv and if we're both scum, then marv is town, which would mean that marv's reads suck (hint: not the case).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 14:05 GMT
#3009
Could someone else compile the votes? I can't do it on phone.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 14:06 GMT
#3011
I could lynch CR but I just feel it might lead to Vivax or marv being lynched instead of VA..
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 14:10 GMT
#3012
Battery is almost finished. I hope I'll be back before deadline.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 15:16 GMT
#3046
On July 28 2014 00:06 GlowingBear wrote:
Quick case on Xatalos:

Show nested quote +
On July 27 2014 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 27 2014 01:55 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 27 2014 01:51 Koshi wrote:
On July 27 2014 01:49 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 27 2014 01:10 Koshi wrote:
On July 27 2014 00:57 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 27 2014 00:40 Koshi wrote:
The problem is that all other lynches are people marv said are town Xatalos/VA and all his preferred lynches are people I think are town aka Damdred/Obiwan.


Maybe we should find common ground and lynch Vivax.


Why do you read damdred as town?

It's not that he is a shining beacon of townyness. But read the first post on the second and third page of his filter. I can see a town making those. Same for everything in between.

Is he really that scummy? I don't see it tbh.


He is suspicious. He really is. But check your main scum filters. Doesn't it looks like mislynching damdred is part of mafias agenda? Really, look how there is a timid scumread on damdred day one that continues on and on. Timid scumreads. Like people are trying to make townies go against him creating big cases, leading a mislynch and getting mislynched the other day.

Do you get what I'm trying to say here?

Yes. That's why I am being overconfident saying he is town . To balance the sneaky mafia agenda.


Alright, so, if you ALSO believe this, you should be voting Xatalos because he has been doing that since the beginning of the game.


I mean (1) lots of fluff, (2) being hard defended by a possible mafia, (3) almost no scum hunt on his filter and (4) contributing with the timid scumread on damdred, (5) being saved, continues to post fluff without Scumhunting. Don't you think there are reasons enough?


These are the main reasons I've brought up. There's a (6), which is his strange reads on rayn. Follow me (big quotes on spoilers)

Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 03:03 Xatalos wrote:
##Vote raynpelikoneet

Sigh


LOL only joking right lololol why not?

Now to his list post:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 23 2014 06:29 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2014 06:18 Chopin Liszt wrote:
On July 23 2014 06:16 Xatalos wrote:
On July 23 2014 06:10 Chopin Liszt wrote:
On July 23 2014 06:09 Xatalos wrote:
On July 23 2014 06:06 Chairman Ray wrote:
The exchange between Xatalos and Koshi is the most awkward and forced conversation I have ever seen, especially this:

On July 23 2014 05:41 Xatalos wrote:
On July 23 2014 03:04 Koshi wrote:
Xatalos it has been a while. I am town this game. You must be so happy.


Hmm. I think I want you to live longer than D1 just for the "Mafia totes alive guis" mass PM. That, and my history of reading you is horrible. I have the vague idea that someone explained your meta to me in a recent game so I'll search for that.


If we had two lynches, I'd lynch them both.

##Vote: Xatalos


I don't think it's a good idea to lynch either of us for D1. Generally speaking.

What does this mean?


Koshi can look scummy during D1 as town so it's not usually a good time to lynch him. I'm generally active regardless of my alignment, and I become a (somewhat) valuable asset throughout the game as town and I tend to reveal myself more easily later on as scum (+leaving material to work with). Neither of us are ideal D1 lynches.

Interesting.

Why don't you give us a list of acceptable day 1 lynches then, friend?


HaruRH - don't remember him, not really for or against lynching him D1

Koshi - against lynching him D1

teemursu - see HaruRH

Chopin Liszt - see HaruRH

VayneAuthority - I have some bad memories of him literally claiming scum as town, so he might be a policy lynch again, but hopefully not

raynpelikoneet - definitely not a D1 lynch unless he somehow is really scummy (doubtful regardless of his alignment)

ObiWanShinobi - see HaruRH

Navillus - see HaruRH

GlowingBear - see HaruRH

kushm4sta - hmmm.... I think he's quite a good scum player so I'd rather see until later to judge him

Chairman Ray - see HaruRH

Vivax - no special feelings towards him although I do remember that he was pretty obviously scummy in one game, we'll see

batsnacks - see HaruRH

Damdred - could be scum based on my initial gut feeling

Palmar - see raynpelikoneet


If there wasn't enough reasons to bash on his post, rayn is confirmed mafia. Now look how he reserves the "definetely not a lynch on day1" to rayn. I would like you to remember his positioning against Damdred here, too. Weird enough?

Ok, so, there is a series of posts where rayn timid pushes Xatalos but never putting his hand on fire. He actually, at some point, only says that Xatalos' posts are bad but without reasons. I had to ask him to give reasons. And we are talking about rayn. He timid pushes Xatalos but never vote him. Here is an example, I'll ask you to open the nested quote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 24 2014 02:49 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 02:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 24 2014 02:38 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 24 2014 02:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On July 24 2014 02:30 Xatalos wrote:
GB's confidence in me being scum is actually pretty shocking. It's like he initially decided that I would be his vote target and proceeded to search for justification to keep his vote on me. There is literally no consideration for me possibly being town in his filter. In his latest post he confidently states that "mafia changed the attention away from Xatalos". This is some really stupid confirmation bias or a hopeless scum mislynch push. I think it's actually more likely coming from scum since it feels... forced. Especially his great confidence in his read right after the game had just started.

I don't like this post for multiple reasons.


I hate when you post like this. Explain?

First two sentences are totally wrong and if Xatalos thinks so he needs to justify it which he has not done.
Why can't mafia change atttention out of mafia? I mean obviously, regardless of Xatalos' alignment he "reads himself" as town and says so, but that's not any proof of what ACTUALLY happened.
Where is the conf bias?
Confidence is not a scumtell unless he explains why.


Obviously scum can change attention away from scum. It was just that he was so certain (somehow) of me being scum that he assumed that's what's actually happened... which felt weird. Besides, I still have a lot of attention and it's not like I'm trying to hide or anything?

Could be town confidence I guess. It's just the way how he's been +1'ing suspicions on me so eagerly. Is it in line with the level of his scumread's reasoning? I think it's a bit too much.


I'll stop here because I've made my point and I don't have enough time before deadline.

Also, I was trying to further analyse this but there are no nighpost/daypost on the OP and there are not recent vote counts. It makes difficult to go deeper. I think people gave up on this game already.

##Unvote
##Vote: Xatalos



rayn actually *did* vote for me and left his vote on me for the rest of the day without apparently any real reason...... Maybe hoping that the wagon on me would get enough votes and that his vote could aid in getting me lynched or something.

I would never defend my scummate at least D1. Haven't you seen my scumgames? In one game I bussed literally every one of my teammates. In the previous scumgame I semi-bussed or distanced from all of my teammates.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 15:21 GMT
#3056
On July 28 2014 00:16 Vivax wrote:
That guy had no interests except for Xata and a bit of ObiWan, who was "on his radar" throughout all of D1.

He didn't fight anyone to get his only super-scumread lynched.

And now he doesn't fight anyone to get Vayne lynched, he only found the perfect scum motive behind his play and doesn't even doubt a bit that maybe Vayne actually had some stupid townie plan, that in the end is just the same stupid , maybe townie maybe scum plan marv had at the end of N1.


Thinking about it CR might really have a decent chance of flipping scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 15:21 GMT
#3058
##Unvote
##Vote Chairman Ray
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 15:23 GMT
#3061
CR did have one pretty townie post I think. It's not impossibly hard to pretend for a moment though, and he has been quite opportunistic / casually lurking all game.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 15:27 GMT
#3066
Are you really so sure he's scum? I haven't been able to truly convince myself at any point.

Besides last-minute vote switching mayhem is usually useful for baiting reactions etc.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 15:29 GMT
#3071
On July 28 2014 00:28 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 00:23 Xatalos wrote:
CR did have one pretty townie post I think. It's not impossibly hard to pretend for a moment though, and he has been quite opportunistic / casually lurking all game.

This is a lie. CR can't play actively multiple hours a day. Always a bit and sometimes he is gone for a long time. This is as both alignments.


But when he comes online he just kind of points neat cases / summaries at opportune times?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 15:30 GMT
#3072
*posts
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 15:32 GMT
#3078
On July 28 2014 00:30 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 00:29 Xatalos wrote:
On July 28 2014 00:28 Koshi wrote:
On July 28 2014 00:23 Xatalos wrote:
CR did have one pretty townie post I think. It's not impossibly hard to pretend for a moment though, and he has been quite opportunistic / casually lurking all game.

This is a lie. CR can't play actively multiple hours a day. Always a bit and sometimes he is gone for a long time. This is as both alignments.


But when he comes online he just kind of points neat cases / summaries at opportune times?

How is it opportune??? I know for a fact CR has limited time to play.


I mean the way he comes at me with a huge fluff case on D1 when the wagon on me is growing and again makes a big post finding reasons for VA to be scum when VA is gathering momentum D2.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 15:33 GMT
#3084
Everything wasn't fine D1 though before the switching. It would have been me, an active poster, lynched instead of Navillus, who barely did anything.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 15:37 GMT
#3087
On July 28 2014 00:33 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 00:31 Koshi wrote:
GlowingBear WHY ARE YOU VOTING WITH Xatalos?


Dude, I didn't see that Rayn kept his vote on Xatalos. Why he would do that if he was scum?
Besides, don't you think CR's case on Xatalos was suspicious?


GB has become enlightened
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 15:39 GMT
#3090
On July 28 2014 00:38 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2014 00:33 GlowingBear wrote:
On July 28 2014 00:31 Koshi wrote:
GlowingBear WHY ARE YOU VOTING WITH Xatalos?


Dude, I didn't see that Rayn kept his vote on Xatalos. Why he would do that if he was scum?
Besides, don't you think CR's case on Xatalos was suspicious?

... 1 wifomy thingie and you change your entire mind.

knowing how you said that my case on both VA and marv was wifom and should be ignored.



You don't play very consistent.


I think it's more of a townie mindset to change your mind after seeing new evidence though. Unlike when as scum you just decide your stance and then find proof to justify it.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 15:42 GMT
#3096
On July 28 2014 00:41 Vivax wrote:
Okay, then we sheep Koshi.

Damdred, you with me please, for the pandas.

##Unvote
##Vote VayneAuthority

And if he flips town and CR is scum I'll have massive swag anyway.


Just when you convinced me on CR
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 15:44 GMT
#3099
Well, it's not a bad lynch exactly either. I can live with myself if he dies now.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 15:45 GMT
#3103
##Unvote
##Vote VayneAuthority
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
July 27 2014 15:47 GMT
#3105
Ugh, I really want to lynch CR more though.

##Unvote
##Vote Chairman Ray
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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