On July 27 2014 20:00 Vivax wrote:
Kush's last words before getting NK'd were something like "Vivax I wouldn't townread CR and Rayn so easily" iirc cause I didn't include them as possible scum among my options.

That was the first time he said something about cr. And wasnt that after actio deadline?

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 27 2014 11:30 GMT

#2982

Still afk.

Vivax

21978 Posts

July 27 2014 11:30 GMT

#2983

Was it? Nevertheless I find the reasons CR is using for pushing Vayne scummy, cause all he's doing is using a lot of fantasy to give reasons for Vayne being scum, and he would know that his plan didn't go exactly that way if he had read the thread carefully.

Vivax

21978 Posts

July 27 2014 11:31 GMT

#2984

He could have written that if bats came into the thread screaming that Vayne is scum cause he was lying.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 27 2014 11:32 GMT

#2985

I dont know what you are doing vivax. But cr shows va his intent. Doesnt matter if batsnacks claimed out of his own later. At the point that VA claimed a lot of people already posted. It is possible he wanted to bait a cc.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 27 2014 11:34 GMT

#2986

On July 27 2014 20:31 Vivax wrote:
He could have written that if bats came into the thread screaming that Vayne is scum cause he was lying.

What? No that doesnt matter. He could have written that without anybody ever cc ing.

Vivax

21978 Posts

July 27 2014 11:37 GMT

#2987

Bleh, I still don't like his reasoning.
I'm not as sure that Vayne is scum for the fakeclaim, and yet here comes CR with the reasoning that supposedly hits the nail on the head, when I could have written that about anybody who fakeclaimed in this game.

He just seems to sure of himself, and a reasoning more used to drop the vote onto somebody rather than being genuine.

There's a bit of gut reasoning in here, but I simply don't like that post for its confidence based on finding scum motives behind vayne's play at any cost. Similarly to how HF plays scum and tries to find scum motives at any cost.

Vivax

21978 Posts

July 27 2014 11:39 GMT

#2988

And I'm not talking necessarily about HF's play in this game cause I didn't have the chance to see that much, but I have to say that the N1 reasoning where he kinda fueled my suspicion on Teemu and koshi gave me that feeling, too. As said, it must have been comfy for scum to have us fighting.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 27 2014 11:42 GMT

#2989

N1 was incredible to see hf come i n this thread buddy you up and go against me and teemu like that. While I was marv his townread.

And now hf is hurt because he tried so hard n1. And I called him out on his shit. It's incredible.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 27 2014 11:46 GMT

#2990

Vivax. How do you read Obiwan?

Vivax

21978 Posts

July 27 2014 11:53 GMT

#2991

On July 27 2014 20:46 Koshi wrote:
Vivax. How do you read Obiwan?

I'm really not sure, it's tiring to see him always be so upset about people scumreading him cause that's simply part of the game, but I have to say that the way he was so unafraid of me and really stayed up to answer to my stuff, and listened to reason in order to put his vote elsewhere gives him some townie points.

But as of now I don't have that much stuff else to townread him with, and that big post he made on request sounds so unconfident. I'm almost scared to put him into either category cause if I ever would call somebody lynchbait it would be him.

Besides, he still posted more than CR, so.

I think I'd rather lynch CR over him.

Vivax

21978 Posts

July 27 2014 11:55 GMT

#2992

Ye Obi definitely has shown some guts this game, more than he would do as scum.

I'll give him a bit of a dangly townread, that's the best I can do, so let's not lynch him today.

Vivax

21978 Posts

July 27 2014 12:50 GMT

#2993

Screw that actually I retract the dangly townread, still possible mafia.

He agreed with mine and HF's cases during the night, didn't see him act up on it.

I honestly have no idea wtf this guy is doing, but he still has more filter than CR.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 27 2014 13:04 GMT

#2994

CR was the first to go after Vayne / Chopin / Xatalos scumteam. I am never lynching him. That showed some serious balls.

Say that the claim for VA is null. What is left in his filter that looks so town to you?

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

July 27 2014 13:07 GMT

#2995

In VA his filter.

Vivax

21978 Posts

July 27 2014 13:09 GMT

#2996

I don't know, I just see myself rather believing his plan while CR tries what he can to put a scum agenda behind it and fuck off again.

Their filter has the same size, but CR tries to look tryhard and Vayne doesn't really give that much of a fuck.
Needless to say which one I suspect to be more likely mafia.

Vivax

21978 Posts

July 27 2014 13:18 GMT

#2997

And that Vayne roughly reaches the same conclusion as me also points towards him being town tbh.

If I were town in his spot and I saw CR making that "sound" case without taking into account the whole picture, just as I said too, then I would also scumread CR as the next step. CR is just opportunistic in this case, and besides he made that gigantic dumpster style case on Xata D1 but hardly fought for it, only complaining a little that we lynched navi instead.

GlowingBear

Brazil12446 Posts

July 27 2014 13:44 GMT

#2998

##Unvote
##Vote: Vivax

How do you read Xatalos, Vivax?

We need a vote count

Xatalos

Finland9675 Posts

July 27 2014 13:46 GMT

#2999

Now that you mention it, CR made that big case on me D1 where he painted everything in a scummy way (even if it was really just null material). Similarly he painted VA as clear scum even though the case on him isn't truly that strong. It could be scum coming up with reads and then justifying them with whatever he finds in their filter. In any case I think one of VA/CR is probably scum, but not both.