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On July 09 2014 04:14 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 03:56 Toadesstern wrote:
guys you should be voting IamP while I hold the grip around forumite's neck up *choke* x_x Show nested quote +On July 09 2014 03:40 IAmRobik wrote:On July 09 2014 03:28 Forumite wrote:On July 09 2014 03:22 HaruRH wrote:On July 09 2014 00:46 Forumite wrote:
I liked what alakaslam found on damdred, but otherwise I have no idea who is scummy. Slight townread on Toades despite it all, scumread on Koshi and Robik but apparently this is how they play so whatever. I have a few townreads, many nullreads and a bunch of lurkers that I don´t want to have around at D3, so today I want to kill lurkers. You told us you will be killing lurkers today. Out of a sudden, BAM a robik vote. Of course I'll have to ask what are you trying to do. Toades pointed out that a lurker lynch doesn´t give info because scum can just go with the flow and lynch some poor lurker without guilt. It´s better to leave them for vigilantes. 1) your insistence on lynching town bothers me 2) weren't you hard against coza or am I imagining things? If so, why would you want to lynch the person who you suspect is voting as well 3) i'm town, so see point 1 You are imagining things. Also I try my best to lynch scum. Why are you trying to show townieness by saying "I´m town" instead of doing pro-town things, like NOT flaming anyone who looks at you sideways?
robik is just a blustery guy. he spent like 10 pages telling me i was the worst player ever last game. it's just part of his general persona and tone; try not to take it personal, it's not about you mate.
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Would appear I missed the lynch, guess that's what happens when you take heavy duty pain meds and sleep for 13 hrs... I would have voted for yamato77, but you can take that or leave it.
I think it is kinda absurd that people don't think this guy is mafia. I mean his entire game so far is acting like he is doing stuff, but not really doing anything.
On July 08 2014 04:14 yamato77 wrote:
I'm a connoiseur of Cora lynches, and its usually pretty funny to do so, but I think he's legit town this game and I have a vested interest in winning.
Cora thus far has come out with his little reads post, and then has since been under fire for it. This happens literally every game he plays. The way he defends himself is genuine this game, as opposed to the forced way he went about it in Quiet Game where he was scum. Believe me, I know the difference.
Here let me pocket/sheep cora and defend him very early. Since then they have basically had identical views. For those in order mafia, I remember koshi and I got very mad and yelled for 2 solid days about chrom doing something very similar that game very early on, and voila he was mafia.
On July 08 2014 04:26 yamato77 wrote:
Vivax/VE is a weird dynamic
Something meaningful is there, dunno what yet.
Non-committal bs to look active.
On July 08 2014 04:41 yamato77 wrote:
Rob, you're posting lots of things, but many of them aren't really helping anyone find mafia.
Its good that you have reads, but I don't find them very convincing. I have my own reads, and I trust my methods more than yours. You should trust my methods, I've played with many of these players far more than you have.
"You're wrong robik, trust my reads even though I have only given one all game thus far. Oh, and btw I won't tell you why or how you're wrong, just trust me bro."
On July 08 2014 04:53 yamato77 wrote:
so let me get this straight forumite, you called prplhz town early on for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON AT ALL, made a horrible read on toad based on this complete fabrication (which you still stand by), and are supposedly doing so because you can't read prplhz and don't want to waste town's time.
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Here he is, 3rd on the wagon for the forumite train and for a terrible reason, in fact one that's not even true. forumite gave a reason, it wasn't good; but it was a reason.
On July 08 2014 05:05 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2014 05:04 27ninjabunnies wrote:
People I like
Robik
Toad
Koshi
Kush
Iamperfection
Batsnacks
People I don't Like
Yamato
ExO
Damdred
People I don't necessarily care for but wouldn't lynch today
Vivax
VE
Layabout
Robik
Forumite
Cora
Drunk
Layabout
I'm caught up with the thread and will be commenting/asking questions from here on out.
Anybody in the Don't like list can be shot or lynched.
If you want reads for any of them ask me.
Also, if you want my opinion on a certain subject talked about in the last whatever pages, ask me.
Otherwise, I'm not commenting much on anything from before this post unless asked to.
Everything after this post is fair game.
Also, Turkey pot pies are the shizz. worst post all time srsly, why post these things when I'm trying to go to sleep
Nuff said.
On July 09 2014 23:32 yamato77 wrote:
I skimmed your filter from catastrophe, iamp, and then found the reasons I wanted to lynch you that game, and decided that it's really not that much different from this game aside from your sheer activity.
I do not like the content of your posts, iamp, and I feel like you've been angling for easy mislynches all game so far.
##Vote iamperfection
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
73 pages in and he thinks the best course of action is to sheep a meta read with none of his own real input. Not even an explanation or a quote behind "I feel like you've been angling for easy mislynches all game so far". One would think at that point there is a decent enough amount of content to make a case or at least have an original thought.
In fact pretty sure that's just false. As in his last read post Iamp listed his top 3 mafia as: Cora, Toad, and Damnedred. I mean maybe Damnedred is angling for an easy ML based on your perspective, but the other two are not at all.
I have only played one game with yamato77, so I can't really speak to the validity of this post; but maybe others can:
On July 09 2014 22:57 iamperfection wrote:
Listen to me Yamato is supposedly a meta expert on me and he is willing to lynch me. He can not honestly think that i am scum if he reads my entire filter. I know im town so therefore i know my filter adheres to my town meta it dosnt look like yamato is even bothering to look hard at my filter and just hoping to get me out of the game.
On July 10 2014 00:10 yamato77 wrote:
I am 100% on iamp being mafia
You were 100% wrong.
Overall, I think he didn't do much on his own this entire game, he promised us on multiple occasions that his reads on cora and iamp were golden and they weren't, he didn't even use any game related info after 73 pages to justify his vote, he was a late comer (3rd or later) on multiple bandwagons and a loud voice on them after he was on them, and he weirdly hard defended cora early.
I just don't like the guy, he is scummy. If I had a night action that involved shooting or checking, I feel he would be a high priority candidate.
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On July 11 2014 10:47 batsnacks wrote:
Ritoky, did you -really- make pie? Or were you just saying that?
yeah i made pie, i had my wisdom teeth pulled the following day, so i was making pie for myself as a last day hoorah before i couldn't eat solid food for a week or so.
reading the thread now, been sleeping a lot cuz strong pain meds can do that to ya
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On July 10 2014 23:06 Palmar wrote:
ObiWanShinobi the Mafia Janitor is dead
Janitor
When someone needs to not only die, but disappear, you are the man for the job. Feeding victims to pigs is just monday in your world.
Twice in the game you can send in the name of a player. You will kill that player, and his body will mysteriously disappear. The target will not flip.
You win when the mafia can not be stopped.
You are also able to deliver one mafia KP per night, in addition to your abilities.
We aren't allowed to ask questions to the mod in the thread, but the way this is worded is disturbing to me. Cuz normal janitor has the body flip but it flips as ??????. This says the person mysteriously disappears and will not flip. So uhhhh, does that mean someone could be dead in the game right now and we don't know about it?
If that's the case I might just systematically start voting on every single person in the game, wait for a vote count to confirm they are alive, then move to the next person.
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has anyone not posted yet at all this day phase? would like to confirm that they are actually alive by voting on them.
also, wtf, why did a blue role dq himself?
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I still don't really see why yamato77 is very town. He has done more townie things since I had called him out, so he is not the leading candidate for my vote, but I still have a slight scum read on him.
This is kinda a policy thing for me now, but every time I have played on this forum there has been someone in the thread who does this:
On July 11 2014 06:42 slOosh wrote:
I want to play a game where we have a bunch of people, and we kill the last one to cast a vote.
The pool being ritoky, batsnacks, mderg, sinani, damdred and hiropro.
And they can only vote for other people in the pool.
Best game ever.
Jk, I'll be reading up on these dudes, but I'm like reasonably sure like 2 or 3 mafia are in here.
They make a list of inactives/lurkers/low hanging fruit and suggest that we start lynching them. And so far, through 6 games I have played on these forums, the first person to do it has been mafia 100% of the time. So, by that coin I am instantly reading sloosh as mafia.
On July 11 2014 10:45 layabout wrote:i am not worried about ritoky right now the most valuable things from obi's flip in my eyes are the things people said about him and this list: * green colour is potentially subject to change although unlikely to
I also think this post is naive, it was an overwhelming vote on a townie; would have been easy to hide a vote for credibility during that vote.
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VE, how do you feel about sloosh and his push on low hanging fruit?
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i too, would also be interested in reading it
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is there a final vote count for every day anywhere? I been looking, but all of them seem incomplete. guess i gotta make my own.
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Posting this for myself and others:
D1:
iamperfection (14): prplhz, toadesstern, sloosh, harurh, visceraeyes, obiwanshinobi, kushm4sta, yamato77, alakaslam, koshi, forumite, vivax, sinani206, corazon
corazon (2): iamperfection, iamrobik
exo_ (1): damdred
ritoky (1): 27ninjabunnies
obiwanshinobi (1): exo_
forumite (1): bill
hiropro (1): batsnacks
Non-voters: ritoky, hiropro, mderg, layabout, tehpoofter
Note: underlines are for 3rd party
D2:
exo_ (1): mderg
billmurray (3): toadesstern, yamato77, hiropro
mderg (11): sloosh, vivax, harurh, sinani206, kushm4sta, alakaslam, exo_, prplhz, layabout, forumite, damnedred
forumite (3): visceraeyes, billmurray, koshi
Non-voters: ritoky, corazon, vivax, batsnacks
i think this looks right? it's a little bit cobbled together but i think it's accurate.
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oh, i forgot to color cora blue, since he got dq'd damn. always 1 stupid error.
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Vote Analysis:
toadesstem - townie (lycnhed), unknown (not lynched)
-Lynches contributed to - 1 - iamperfection
-Townies voted on - 1 - iamperfection
-Mafia voted on - 0
-Mafia voted with - 1 - obiwanshinobi
-3rd party voted on - 0
- Most frequently votes with - yamato77 (2)
sloosh - townie (lynched), townie (lynched)
-Lynches contributed to - 2 - iamperfection, mderg
-Mafia voted on - 0
-Mafia voted with - 1 - obiwanshinobi
-3rd party voted on - 0
- Most frequently votes with - vivax, harurh, sinani206, kushm4sta, alakaslam, forumite (2)
harurh - townie (lynched), townie (lynched)
-Lynches contributed to - 2 - iamperfection, mderg
-Mafia voted on - 0
-Mafia voted with - 1 - obiwanshinobi
-3rd party voted on - 0
- Most frequently votes with - vivax, sloosh, sinani206, kushm4sta, alakaslam, forumite (2)
Visceraeyes - townie (lynched), unknown (not lynched)
-Lynches contributed to - 1 - iamperfection
-Mafia voted on -0
-Mafia voted with - 1 - obiwanshinobi
3rd party voted on - 0
Most frequently votes with - koshi (2)
kushm4sta - townie (lynched), townie (lynched)
-Lynches contributed to - 2 - iamperfection, mderg
-Mafia voted on - 0
-Mafia voted with - 1 - obiwanshinobi
-3rd party voted on - 0
- Most frequently votes with - vivax, harurh, sinani206, sloosh, alakaslam, forumite (2)
yamato77 - townie (lynched), unknown (not lynched)
-Lynches contributed to - 1 - iamperfection
-Mafia voted on - 0
-Mafia voted with - 1 - obiwanshinobi
-3rd party voted on - 0
- Most frequently votes with - toadesstem (2)
alakaslam - townie (lynched), townie (lynched)
-Lynches contributed to - 2 - iamperfection, mderg
-Mafia voted on - 0
-Mafia voted with - 1 - obiwanshinobi
-3rd party voted on - 0
- Most frequently votes with - vivax, harurh, sinani206, sloosh, kushm4sta, forumite (2)
koshi - townie (lynched), unknown (not lynched)
-Lynches contributed to - 1 - iamperfection
-Mafia voted on -0
-Mafia voted with - 1 - obiwanshinobi
3rd party voted on - 0
Most frequently votes with - visceraeyes (2)
forumite - townie (lynched), townie (lynched)
-Lynches contributed to - 2 - iamperfection, mderg
-Mafia voted on - 0
-Mafia voted with - 1 - obiwanshinobi
-3rd party voted on - 0
- Most frequently votes with - vivax, harurh, sinani206, sloosh, kushm4sta, alakaslam (2)
vivax - townie (lynched), n/a
-Lynches contributed to - 1 - iamperfection
-Mafia voted on - 0
-Mafia voted with - 1 - obiwanshinboi
-3rd party voted on - 0
Most frequently votes with - (a lot of people once)
corazon - townie (lynched)(H), n/a
-Lynches contributed to - 1 - iamperfection
-Mafia voted on - 0
-Mafia voted with - 1 - obiwanshinboi
-3rd party voted on - 0
Most frequently votes with - (a lot of people once)
damnedred - unknown (not lynched), townie (lynched)(H)
-Lynches contributed to - 1 - mderg
-Mafia voted on - 0
-Mafia voted with - 0
-3rd party voted on - 0
Most frequently votes with - (a lot of people once)
ExO_ - mafia (not lynched), townie (lynched)
-Lynches contributed to - 1 - mderg
-Mafia voted on - 1 - obiwanshinobi
-Mafia voted with - 0
-3rd party voted on - 0
- Most frequently votes with - (a lot of people once)
Bill Murray - unknown (not lynched), unknown (not lynched)
-Lynches contributed to - 0
-Mafia voted on - 0
-Mafia voted with - 0
-3rd party voted on - 0
- Most frequently votes with - visceraeyes, koshi (1)
batsnack - unknown (not lynched), n/a
-Lynches contributed to - 0
-Mafia voted on - 0
-Mafia voted with - 0
-3rd party voted on - 0
- Most frequently votes with - n/a
ritoky - n/a, n/a
-Lynches contributed to - 0
-Mafia voted on - 0
-Mafia voted with - 0
-3rd party voted on - 0
- Most frequently votes with - n/a
hiropro - n/a, unknown (not lynched)
-Lynches contributed to - 0
-Mafia voted on - 0
-Mafia voted with - 0
-3rd party voted on - 0
- Most frequently votes with - toadesstem, yamato77 (1)
layabout - n/a, townie (lynched)
-Lynches contributed to - 1
-Mafia voted on - 0
-Mafia voted with - 0
-3rd party voted on - 0
- Most frequently votes with - (a lot of people once)
sorry for the length, this is a copy/paste from my word doc i keep (those from order will recognize this)
Note: A bolded H stands for hammer vote.
Conclusions and reads to follow shortly.
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These scum reads are in no particular order.
Scum read #1:
ExO_: This may seem weird being that he is the only person in the entire game who has left their vote on a confirmed mafia member thus far, but that's part of the reason why he is so suspicious to me. He actively refused to play the game during day 1, yet magically landed on a mafia without even reading the thread:
On July 09 2014 00:01 ExO_ wrote:
##Vote: ObiWanShinobi
I'm going to be completely honest I haven't read the thread in it's entirety. But from what I have skimmed through, it looked like forumite was pushed up prematurely for silly Day 1 reasons. So I prefer Obi instead.
Seems a little too convenient to me, as if he was busing early for credibility later in the game. Since then, he has promised analysis, activity, and all kindsa stuff; but what has been delivered? 4 posts. His filter is smaller and less substantive than mine, and I have basically been asleep and high on pain killers from having my wisdom teeth pulled for the past 3 days.
On July 11 2014 06:54 ExO_ wrote:
kk World Cup Mafia is over, gonna start the long task of filter diving and analyzing day 1 votes while watching some dota
Here's his most substantive post:
On July 11 2014 18:24 ExO_ wrote:
So far I think Toad/Layabout/Viscera are town. They are all very actively trying to solve the game and I don't think that mafia would be doing it quite like this at this point.
I'm not sure that I think the case on mderg is that great, but his silence is disturbing. Seems like he's letting the case on him pass hoping the stuff with BM takes over. I'm not sure what to think about him, could flip either way at this point.
But I don't understand why BM would fake claim role block? It doesn't make any sense. And I don't fully understand the masoning stuff happening with Koshi/prplhz could somebody explain to me how that would work?
And I definitely think scum is lurking right now, so I'm suspicious of people such as:
Forumite/Alakaslam/Damdred/HaruRH/layabout
and would like to hear from them in the thread
I would like to draw your attention to the list of lurkers and ask you: WTF? Pretty sure a couple of those aren't even close to the largest lurkers in the thread. Especially since my name wasn't on it. I think he bussed on day 1, and is lurking now.
And if that wasn't enough, guess who was deflecting off of ExO_ and onto harurh d1? Confirmed mafia.
On July 09 2014 03:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:a bunch of people stole what i wanted to post on exo. what i found odd is that haru is doing the same thing and everyone is giving him a pass: haru washes away his shitposts with the same reasoning of "im bad so i can feel free to do bad stuff" but i didnt see anyone calling him out for it, even though bunch of people jumped on exo for doing the same thing.
Scum read #2:
sloosh - I said it earlier and I will say it again, from my 6 games on these forums; the first guy who comes out with a list of lurkers/low hanging fruit and suggests we lynch them all has been mafia 100% of the time. It's kinda a policy thing, but when I analyze the rest of his game he has some townie portions. Unfortunately a lot of his reads have been very opposite from mine this game as well.
Scum read #3:
yamato77 - This one is fading slowly because I am seeing him do more townie things. There are two large things that bug me about yamato77:
1) To me, he always seems to be the 2nd or 3rd person on board of something. Maybe I am misreading him, but he always seems to let someone else make the initial case and get it going, then he stands behind them and gives it an extra shove. A lot of this is covered in the post I made before
2) His attitude after pushing hard and promising a near 100% read on iamp:
On July 10 2014 11:13 yamato77 wrote:
I was wrong, who cares.
Well, you were just one of the more influential people in the lynching of a townie; so if you're thinking from a town mindset then you should care, because I care.
Outside of that, I think you should watch how the voting block of 6 (sloosh, vivax, harurh, alakaslam, kushm4sta, forumite) continues from this point forward as they are the only people to have lynched consecutive townies. Although for now I don't think there is more than 2 mafia in that voting block, as I feel it would become too obvious too fast to anyone paying attention to the votes.
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oh yeah
vote: ExO_
gonna play some FIFA for a bit, may be back to type more essays later.
nice 0 justification sheep vote forumite.
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On July 13 2014 16:55 Forumite wrote:
Yeah, sheeping BM here.
What´s the opinion on batsnacks?
batsnacks is town most likely, not point in saying this as mafia:
On July 12 2014 06:50 batsnacks wrote:
Could I ask you guys to wait another 4 hours before you hammer mderg? I won't be home for work until then. I think there's a lot of good info especially in the last 5 pages and I would appreciate the opportunity to comment on it.
But I'll understand if no one wants to wait for me.
plus he noticed people trying to push a ML on me early on, referencing bunnies' comment about how i am a lynch target almost every game because my reads don't tend to line up with the loudest players in the game.
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On July 13 2014 18:14 yamato77 wrote:
tell me ritoky, how do you think you play as town?
go read every game i have played on these forums, including this one and you'll see how i play as town. i have never rolled mafia on these forums before.
have rolled VT in every game except 1 where i rolled Jailkeeper.
you'll also see a fairly common theme of me having reads that are quite contrary to the majority of people in the game.
anywayz, i don't really see why everyone reads you so town, and i don't see what makes you full of such bravado that you are the epitome of town. maybe my read is crap and i am wrong, but i ain't sippin yo koolaid
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should i go to sleep or was that the most confused hurricane of posting so far this thread?
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I don't think anyone has said anything about this, so I will put it out there and see what people think.
On N1, there was only 1 known mafia KP in robik, and cora claimed to have ML-vigi shot obiwan.
The janitor (who was additional mafia KP) is dead.
There was 2 kp last night.
So do we think both of those are mafia KP or one of them is town/3rd party?
Because isn't there a world in which BM is baiting us to lynch our vigi?
Idk, what do people think about these possible scenarios?
That said, VE is my top town read; and I kinda agree with him that it is very doubtful that kush and BM are the same alignment. I just think we might want to consider all possibilities.
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On July 14 2014 07:00 batsnacks wrote:
Ritoky are you implying that kush is a vig and shot sinani, the confirmed mason?
No, what I am more saying is that there was only 1 mafia KP N1, and the mafia that died reduced KP for mafia, and yet there was still 2 KP last night. I am trying to figure out why that is the case.
Also, wasn't he not a mason? His claim was he can let 2 people privately chat, not that he could be involved in it.
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On July 14 2014 07:16 batsnacks wrote:
The point is this:
"Because isn't there a world in which BM is baiting us to lynch our vigi?"
Isn't a possibility.
yes, there's a possibility that kush thought sinani's claim was bs and shot him. that is a possible world.
i mean, if both KP weren't mafia KP; i thought prp was more town than sinani the entire game, so of the two if i were vig, the more likely shot would have been sinani.
do you think both KP were mafia KP?
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