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Amiko has been talking, and his posts make me think that he's seriously trying to figure this one out. Cleared.
@dfs,
This post, his first post, makes me think that he's mafia.
On April 29 2014 16:11 dfs wrote:
Everybody is on my scum list untill proven otherwise, the day is still young.
Everyone is mafia, according to him, until proven otherwise. This is the small point that made me suspicious. Generally, you think people are town until proven mafia.
I've cleared yellow as town, but at the bottom of the scale. Why? It's because I have greater suspicions on other people, and those other people are pushing yellow.
Eden was cleared because he's been asking good questions. He's a bit more low tone than last game, so I think I need to keep an I on him.
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EBWOP *Eden was clared because he's been asking good questions. However, he's a bit more low tone than last game, so I think I need to keep an eye on him.
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Epishade initially had scumread on bunnies, and then retracted it quickly.
He has townread on yellow, which I agree with.
He's been contributing, which is enough for me.
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On April 30 2014 02:39 Yell0w wrote:
And about the whole "why do I think bunnies is town" situation, it's just because Occam's razor, she might be mafia, and made a good play to make us think she's town, it's a possibility, but it's unlikely. But there is a red flag next to her name in my head. And I was never really suspicious of her, I kind of implied she might be mafia, it was mostly just to see her reaction to that, she pretty much just ignored it so I don't think I got anything from that, but overall I believe her, for now. Mostly because she kept pushing even though nobody seemed to really agree with her, it took a little bit before she unvoted me.
And about Epishade, I think it's just because he was the first to defend me, which would make no sense as a mafia play, why wouldn't he just jump on the BW of an easy lynch? The possibility raised by dravernor that they're both mafia and made this plot so both of them would look town is, I think, unlikely, because, again, Occam's razor.
But I'm not sure on either of them, it's just the most likely scenario is that they're both town, by a pretty wide margin, I think.
And about Eden, I was asked, though I was planning on talking about it a little bit anyways, he was actually the person I thought was the most suspicious last night, I just don't think his behavior made sense. I didn't have time to analyse it fully though and I will probably talk about it some more, but I am glad someone brought it up.
I like this post. I really do.
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drav, who are your top suspects, and who have you cleared?
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Bunnies, after you've finished reading everything, what are your reads?
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Anyone still active? Anyone willing to give reads?
I want to know what others think.
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We're on the same page. Mostly.
People who haven't talked need to talk some more.
I especially want Eden's reads. He's talking a lot less than the last game. I want to know what he's thinking.
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Seriously, where did everyone go?
I'm active for the next hour and half, let's talk.
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ahs, (can I call you that?) you haven't been active in a while.
What are your reads, what are you thinking?
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On April 30 2014 04:25 Yell0w wrote:
Also, unrelated, but that is actually something I wanted to talk about and forgot, I do think it's really important to act town if you're town, so other townies know you're town too, if no one believes you're town, they won't listen to you, won't lynch with you, it can lead to a mafia win just because the townies weren't being obvious townies so nobody trusted anybody.
This. I can confirm from prior experience that if you're town, act like town.
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I don't like the fact that yellow is under suspicion. I don't think he's mafia. Joking and sarcasm is perfectly fine in the early stages of the game. That post was from the early stages of the game. I don't think this warrants a case against yellow. The only fault I see so far is that he should be contributing a bit more. Which can also be said for a lot of others.
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Other than your yellow read, what are your reads, @sweetfrost?
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On April 30 2014 04:44 ahswtini wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 02:27 Amiko wrote:
@ashwtini:
We don't know how many mafia there are. In 13 player games, my guess would be 3 mafia, maybe also a serial killer. This is just based on knowing a popular 13-player setups is C9++ (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9%2B%2B#Setup_Determination) typically has 3 mafia.
There's no certainty, though, since our setup is different (there's no medic/doctor, for instance). 2 mafia seems too few, though, so I would say 3>4>2. We can make some better guesses after n1 - based on the number of kills it can indicate if there's a vigilante or serial killer.
You haven't talked much in thread yet, so here's a few questions:
- Any thoughts on sweetfrost at this point in the game?
- What is your current position on yell0w? Also, do you feel joking is indicative of being scum? Why? Sorry I didn't catch this post. My thoughts on sweetfrost are completely on the fence. They've pretty much been gunning for yellow all game, which is justifiable in a way. I posted my position on yellow a few posts ago, but basically, I don't like the joking or sarcasm because it causes confusion and is really something town could do without.
The fact that he(she?) found this proves that ahs reread the thread. That shows introspection. Which gives me a slight town read on him/her.
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On April 30 2014 04:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 23:54 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, it's morning now.
After a brief read-through of the whole thread, this is what I've come up with.
I've cleared bunnies, epishade, eden, yellow.
Amiko came in, but left abruptly. He's more active in the other games. Possible scum.
Tambo scum read, but stronger than amiko.
Meat possibly town, he didn't talk much, but I think I'll chalk that up to first game.
Rit & drav haven't talked enough for me to get a read on them.
Dfs seems maf because of a little thing - he calls everybody scum until cleared, which is contradictory since he calls some people towny beforehand.
Ash and frost haven't talked enough for me to get a read on them.
Current reads: Tambo scum, Dfs possible scum, Amiko possible scum, Bunnies, eden, epishade, yellow town in that order. Okay, sqrt, seeing as you want to get conversation going, I'm going to address you here. I hve read through your filter, and I see you haven't contributed much the first pages. Then you come back, say you are going to dig a bit deeper, and these are the reads you give. I want to talk about a few of them. One: Why have you cleared yellow? You have stated you don't THINK he is mafia, and a few reasons why, but why is he absolutely cleared? You also claimed you liked what yell0w wrote in one of his posts. But that's all you said. What about Yell0w post did you specifically like? I see you have cleared amiko for talking more, but what about Amiko's reads do you like? Also, specifically what do you think about the pointing out of the interaction between me, Eden and Epishade? Why is tamburini a stronger scum read than Amiko?
Yellow is cleared for the reason I stated earlier.
On April 30 2014 02:36 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
I've cleared yellow as town, but at the bottom of the scale. Why? It's because I have greater suspicions on other people, and those other people are pushing yellow.
I liked yellow's post here:
On April 30 2014 02:39 Yell0w wrote:
And about the whole "why do I think bunnies is town" situation, it's just because Occam's razor, she might be mafia, and made a good play to make us think she's town, it's a possibility, but it's unlikely. But there is a red flag next to her name in my head. And I was never really suspicious of her, I kind of implied she might be mafia, it was mostly just to see her reaction to that, she pretty much just ignored it so I don't think I got anything from that, but overall I believe her, for now. Mostly because she kept pushing even though nobody seemed to really agree with her, it took a little bit before she unvoted me.
And about Epishade, I think it's just because he was the first to defend me, which would make no sense as a mafia play, why wouldn't he just jump on the BW of an easy lynch? The possibility raised by dravernor that they're both mafia and made this plot so both of them would look town is, I think, unlikely, because, again, Occam's razor.
But I'm not sure on either of them, it's just the most likely scenario is that they're both town, by a pretty wide margin, I think.
And about Eden, I was asked, though I was planning on talking about it a little bit anyways, he was actually the person I thought was the most suspicious last night, I just don't think his behavior made sense. I didn't have time to analyse it fully though and I will probably talk about it some more, but I am glad someone brought it up.
I liked how he thought about Epishade and you. You two are pushing him. You might be both mafia. If one of you flips mafia, it would imply that the other one is also mafia, as you two are the ones pushing him the most. But I've cleared both of you. He cleared both of you in this post, for the simple reason that you guys can't be mafia together because it would be too obvious.
I liked how he thought of this.
I liked the fact that Amiko made reads. It made me think he's trying to figure this out, so I cleared him for it.
Eden hasn't been interacting much, but you and epishade are kind of in the same boat. Possible masons? Not sure. I think both town.
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@Sweet, this doesn't make sense. Mafia wouldn't bus D1. Bunnies and yellow together as mafia doesn't make sense.
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Well, I'm willing to bet that scum team isn't bunnies + yellow or epishade + yellow.
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Wait, is it possible that there's 3 mafia? All the other newbie games had 2.
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