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justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
April 08 2014 15:11 GMT
#4167
On April 08 2014 23:56 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 23:51 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 08 2014 22:26 Koshi wrote:
Anyway,
JAT claim pretty strange.
JAT around HF pretty strange.
JAT not wanting that I killed syllo pretty strange.

I got some questions for JAT I guess.

1) When did you figure out what gem did.
2) Who gave it to you.
3) Why do you have such an easy wincon?

Didn't read rest of the thread yet but I can answer that.
1) I didn't need to figure it out I knew it as soon as I knew I got it but that was right before I messaged you because hosts forgot to notifiy me earlier.
2) I don't know. If I knew I wouldn't have asked you, would I?
3) It wouldn't have been easy if I hadn't shot Keirathi N1.

My claim is not strange. My behaviour around HF is not strange in the slightest and absolutely genuine. Read that shit - no way HF believed that he and like 10 other people were 3p. I did not want syllo to be shot because I had him as townread early and most important because people like him are horrible shots. You shoot lurky people who don't give you information when you wagon them. At that point syllo did not fit that bill (what if he had been town? yeah, you just shot one of the best townies in the game - grats). Also I changed my mind about him before the whole check thing - why would I do that as scum?


So I'm mafia who still believed they were 3p? :D

I am saying you are mafia or 3rd party who didn't believe so. But I couldn't care less by now - if sandro/town doesn't want to kill you that is their problem.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
April 08 2014 15:35 GMT
#4170
On April 08 2014 12:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On April 08 2014 12:09 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 08 2014 12:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
On April 08 2014 11:49 justanothertownie wrote:
If you think a little you will know how it went down (hint: Foolishness wasn't insane). Anyways I will got to bed now it's late.

Yeah, not following. Someone else explain if they get it, I'm too lazy to use my brains for anything but winning.

I killed the only guy that was able to spread insanity. You can see it in his role pm. He was also the first on your item list (I think?).

Oh Keir. Hmm.
Did you know his role ahead of time? 'Cause if not I'm not sure how you figured that. (Or did you only kill him cause you thought you'd get an item.)

Also didn't answer my question about what the ruby does


I did not know about his role but it wasn't hard to deduce because I knew Sandro, marv and him were the crazy people and that one of those 3 was capable of causing insanity. The other 2 claimed to have been invited in a mysterious qt, so... The ruby was 1 KP that I could fire at day so I did that and since Sandro was the only insane person left I really thought I should have won there but yeah...
On April 08 2014 17:01 sandroba wrote:
Alright so jat had previously claimed to me some type of insane people DT. He told me that there are roles that make people insane and he could check one among the list. The list day 1 was me/marv/kei and keirathi made us insane.
I know for a fact that there is at least one more thing in this game that makes someone insane, an item which I had that I passed along to a townie, so jat definitely needs to die even if he is telling the thruth. Also if that's the case he likely killed keirathi or marv.
The thing that doesn't really add up is why he waited for the very end of the day to try to kill me if he thought he would win instantly after that. Also it seems pretty easy to kill just a small list of people as sk, and pretty convinient when he now claims that the source of insanity is dead. He may very likely be scum trying to pull this off specially after he noticed how we dealt with claimed 3rd party amiko.

I didn't get any notifications as of what happened to me and afaik I didn't have any protection at that exact time. The fact that it was a ruby and the fact some people are selling fire extinguishers combined to that leads me to believe he has probably set me on fire. WoS Please use fire extinguisher on me or give it to me if that's how it works.

Also paper you don't have to do it since a roleblocker died and I believe I have it covered.

@jat are you by any chance a dragon?

re: geript We deal with him after we find out more about VE.

@hopeless you didn't link me QT even though i used it via skype.

I waited until the end of the day as safety measure because I did not know if I could kill you. Turns out that was the right thing to do. Pretty convenient to claim the source is dead? Dude, read Keirathis role pm. It is all in there. I am not lying. If I had not killed him it would not have been easy AT ALL. If you think I can be scum after how I used the ruby while 2 scum were being lynched you are insane irl.
On April 08 2014 19:14 sandroba wrote:
"JAT has a huge filter already I'll look at it more shortly but he had a 30+ page filter in LoL and I don't think he's a great player so I think he would really struggle posting that much as scum."
"Amiko... claimed 3p. Lynch it with fire. Don't care... not town."

Okay so amiko claimed survivor and was pursued by mafia.
Jats however claimed SK, adimitted to killing someone n1 and apparently tried to kill me day 2.

I need to explain to me how on earth what you are saying makes any sense.

Sense, it does not make.
On April 08 2014 19:44 Dandel Ion wrote:
Also if there is an item in the game that can cause insanity like sandrobo said, and somebody has that, he would know that by his role claim

so either he's lying about the role claim or he's lying about the people he has to kill.

No, I would not know that. I get a list of PEOPLE that are insane/capable of spreading insanity. No items.
On April 08 2014 20:38 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yeah yeah geript and ve are scum we still lynch jat tomorrow

Jesus dude, use your brain for a moment. If you waste a lynch on me you do mafia the biggest favour you could ever do while gaining NOTHING. If you guys lose because you lynched me I will laugh at you post game.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
April 08 2014 15:39 GMT
#4171
On April 09 2014 00:28 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 00:11 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 08 2014 23:56 Holyflare wrote:
On April 08 2014 23:51 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 08 2014 22:26 Koshi wrote:
Anyway,
JAT claim pretty strange.
JAT around HF pretty strange.
JAT not wanting that I killed syllo pretty strange.

I got some questions for JAT I guess.

1) When did you figure out what gem did.
2) Who gave it to you.
3) Why do you have such an easy wincon?

Didn't read rest of the thread yet but I can answer that.
1) I didn't need to figure it out I knew it as soon as I knew I got it but that was right before I messaged you because hosts forgot to notifiy me earlier.
2) I don't know. If I knew I wouldn't have asked you, would I?
3) It wouldn't have been easy if I hadn't shot Keirathi N1.

My claim is not strange. My behaviour around HF is not strange in the slightest and absolutely genuine. Read that shit - no way HF believed that he and like 10 other people were 3p. I did not want syllo to be shot because I had him as townread early and most important because people like him are horrible shots. You shoot lurky people who don't give you information when you wagon them. At that point syllo did not fit that bill (what if he had been town? yeah, you just shot one of the best townies in the game - grats). Also I changed my mind about him before the whole check thing - why would I do that as scum?


So I'm mafia who still believed they were 3p? :D

I am saying you are mafia or 3rd party who didn't believe so. But I couldn't care less by now - if sandro/town doesn't want to kill you that is their problem.

it's like supersneaky for HF to come back after low activity weekend and think all flips are 3p. It's ridiculous. I can see it actually be true that he thinks GreYmist games are filled with 3p that win with town or win with mafia or w.e. It's not even scummy.

What I don't like about your reaction to his list is that you want to lynch him over something completely irrelevant as the 3p thing (what is scum motivation behind this?) and you completely ignore that his reads are the same as your reads. You admitted that his list was okish, instead of adding your own reads to it (you touched it a bit though) you just go after HF. Strange imo.

Anyway, please kill mafia. You need this to go into lylo if I get your role right. So. I am pretty sure mafia is winning atm and we need to kill like 5 more. Town will misslynch at least once so we just need mafia to die.

HELP THE TOWN CAUSE.

Did I ever vote him? NO. I wanted to lynch HF at a later day because I had my vote on claimed scum at that moment and the other wagon looked promising too. The 3rd party thing is NOT irrelevant. He pulled that out as a defense for not knowing how a town rolepm looked like. It is a scummy overreaction and his story is not believable in the slightest.
I can't help you if you want to lynch me dude.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
April 08 2014 15:55 GMT
#4173
On April 09 2014 00:49 Amiko wrote:
I'll just say I don't really understand why scum would claim I am scum to get me killed since it makes something like a 1v1. Maybe syllo was planning to launch himself into space afterward?

JAT do you have to be alive to win if all insane people are dead or can you win even if you are dead too?

He probably planned to nuke an important townie at some point so if he got you lynched first that's a nice bonus. Or you are scum and he tried to give you massive cred. Or he thought you were SK and killed Keirathi so he tried to get rid of you/get towncred with that. Probably the most likely explanation.

It's not specified that I need to be alive for my win con to work but it would greatly surprise me if that was not the case.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
April 08 2014 16:03 GMT
#4176
Then you will have to tell me who the scummers are. Apparently nobody besides me thinks it is HF.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
April 08 2014 16:09 GMT
#4178
u so bm VE
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
April 08 2014 16:19 GMT
#4181
I don't need to apologize for playing towards my win con. He is probably best suited to direct shots though.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
April 08 2014 16:28 GMT
#4184
No, I claimed what I am. I am not a dragon. Lynching me is retarded. I don't know what happened with the ruby - I was told it was an instant KP. I know nothing of fire.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
April 08 2014 16:45 GMT
#4187
On the list I got this night was only one name and that was yours. I don't need to kill anyone else. Yes, in the end I need to go from your perspective but lynching me now over scum is an obvious mistake and you know it.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
April 08 2014 16:45 GMT
#4188
On April 09 2014 01:45 Killing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 01:25 sandroba wrote:
And btw do you happen to be a dragon?


Why are you looking for a dragon?

Dragon found.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
April 08 2014 17:02 GMT
#4196
On April 09 2014 01:46 Killing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 01:45 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 09 2014 01:45 Killing wrote:
On April 09 2014 01:25 sandroba wrote:
And btw do you happen to be a dragon?


Why are you looking for a dragon?

Dragon found.


Quite the opposite my friend but I am interested in your venture

That you of all people don't get a joke is sad.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
April 08 2014 20:00 GMT
#4236
On April 09 2014 04:34 geript wrote:
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On April 09 2014 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
There's nothing to process because
a) you're going to sit there and nitpick through everything we've done when there are hard reasons why we've reached the conclusions we have
b) we don't trust you even remotely enough to share sensitive info with you

Like I don't care about any of your "sensitive info." Hell I probably wouldn't even believe you if you did. But there's literally zero reason not to allow me to analyze your "hard conclusions" or whatever. It's like you guys are pissed that I joined a game and actually want to analyze it and play. Like I really don't get that sentiment at all.

I am normally not the person to agree with you but this is totally understandable. This game stopped being fun for me when pms were allowed. Who knows how/why people think they have cleared other people. There is no way for you or me to verify this or think it through for ourselves. You just have to blindly trust that people aren't retarded which is a hard and dangerous thing to do. I wouldn't have approached pms any different as town although in a game with this many roles it is evidently totally broken and townfavoured to be able to pm people.

Apart from that a friendly reminder: Stop painting me as SK people. I am not. My goal is not to wreak havoc and kill as many people as possible/fuck town over yada yada. My goal is to survive longer than sandroba does and if that means I have to cooperate with town then I will do just that while hoping that scum finds a way to kill him (they won't shoot me as long as some retards seriously consider lynching me over them that's for sure). There is no reason for me to play anti town besides the sandroba thing.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
April 08 2014 20:18 GMT
#4242
On April 09 2014 05:17 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 05:00 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 09 2014 04:34 geript wrote:
On April 09 2014 04:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
There's nothing to process because
a) you're going to sit there and nitpick through everything we've done when there are hard reasons why we've reached the conclusions we have
b) we don't trust you even remotely enough to share sensitive info with you

Like I don't care about any of your "sensitive info." Hell I probably wouldn't even believe you if you did. But there's literally zero reason not to allow me to analyze your "hard conclusions" or whatever. It's like you guys are pissed that I joined a game and actually want to analyze it and play. Like I really don't get that sentiment at all.

I am normally not the person to agree with you but this is totally understandable. This game stopped being fun for me when pms were allowed. Who knows how/why people think they have cleared other people. There is no way for you or me to verify this or think it through for ourselves. You just have to blindly trust that people aren't retarded which is a hard and dangerous thing to do. I wouldn't have approached pms any different as town although in a game with this many roles it is evidently totally broken and townfavoured to be able to pm people.

Apart from that a friendly reminder: Stop painting me as SK people. I am not. My goal is not to wreak havoc and kill as many people as possible/fuck town over yada yada. My goal is to survive longer than sandroba does and if that means I have to cooperate with town then I will do just that while hoping that scum finds a way to kill him (they won't shoot me as long as some retards seriously consider lynching me over them that's for sure). There is no reason for me to play anti town besides the sandroba thing.

I never believe that people aren't retarded. As a default, I assume that people are stupid.

Then you have a problem here.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
April 08 2014 20:43 GMT
#4251
So mean...
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
April 08 2014 20:45 GMT
#4252
On April 09 2014 05:39 Koshi wrote:
Somewhere I also trust geript tbh. But hmmmmmmmm.
Where are the scummers?


JAT got his orders though.

Pro tip: If you are unsure who the scummers are - try to find them by reading filters etc. and don't only rely on role usage. Don't just be lazy and kill 3p or you deserve to lose.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
April 08 2014 21:13 GMT
#4263
On April 09 2014 06:03 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 05:45 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 09 2014 05:39 Koshi wrote:
Somewhere I also trust geript tbh. But hmmmmmmmm.
Where are the scummers?


JAT got his orders though.

Pro tip: If you are unsure who the scummers are - try to find them by reading filters etc. and don't only rely on role usage. Don't just be lazy and kill 3p or you deserve to lose.

so bitter.

Yes.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
April 08 2014 21:14 GMT
#4264
On April 09 2014 06:06 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 09:51 kitaman27 wrote:
On April 04 2014 09:38 sandroba wrote:
I'm town. I'd like some non bullshit reads or insights on syllo, marv and holyflare.


Aren't you the resident syllo expert?

Based on my experience, syllo feels uncomfortable posting actively as mafia. He hasn't been very open with reads so far so I think he looks the worst of the three. Usually I'm convinced he is town a few minutes into the game and that hasn't happened yet.

With marv, I liked his defense of LSB because he seems like an easy target based on his poor filter and he indeed does often look terrible. His post to reads ratio is good enough for me that he seems town for the time being. Eventually I'm going to want to see some stronger reads/follow-up though.

Holy maybe has a cool role? Takes the same view as I do on paper. No strong read yet.

Just to point out. I'm not going to bother filtering Marv right now to see his defense of LSB.

Marv did not defend LSB. He wanted him killed.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
April 08 2014 21:24 GMT
#4274
On April 09 2014 06:20 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 06:18 Koshi wrote:
Like somewhere JAT should kill Killing and not geript.

JAT shouldn't be allowed to use his power.

Interesting. Why? And how will you stop me from it?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
April 08 2014 21:26 GMT
#4278
If people want me to shoot someone they better give me a clear target before deadline. Preferably sandroba is the one giving that order. And you also better promise not to lynch me if I really do so.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
April 08 2014 21:29 GMT
#4285
On April 09 2014 06:26 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2014 06:24 geript wrote:
On April 09 2014 06:21 Koshi wrote:
On April 09 2014 06:20 geript wrote:
On April 09 2014 06:18 Koshi wrote:
Like somewhere JAT should kill Killing and not geript.

JAT shouldn't be allowed to use his power.

if it is nk. Why not use on, scummers?

He's not town. There's no reason to expect him to use it in a manner that's in any way favorable to us. He will only and solely use it to further his own purposes. There's zero reason to trust him whatsoever.

Maybe he wants to become an esteemed minion? His wincon is to get to endgame obviously and his targets ded. If he is lynched tomorrow he can't get to endgame.

I also promise to JAT that I will lynch him if he doesn't kill scummer tonight.

Sorry.

Wait wait wait. I have no more information (in fact less) than you do. If I shoot the target I am given then you don't lynch me regardless of what that person flips. Everything else is unfair.
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