On March 28 2014 23:08 IAmRobik wrote:
I'm not gonna sit here and argue with people. Night posting is fucking dumb. The rule should be taken out of the game as it only benefits mafia and that's all I'm gonna say for the rest of this cycle...I've already said more than I wanted to last night because I was heated as fuck

You should at least state your suspicions in case you're nightkilled.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

March 28 2014 14:50 GMT

#547

...why would it? Serious question. I don't understand how withholding information like that helps the town at all.

Obviously if you're only going to do it once, later is better, but I don't follow at all what the issue is.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

March 28 2014 16:02 GMT

#550

That WIFOM exists regardless. If we didn't talk during the night phase, they would just nightkill based on the day phase arguments and suspicions, and it would be the same argument. The only thing that not talking during the night phase does is remove one-third of our discussion time from the game. There is no benefit to this and the harm should be readily apparent.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

March 28 2014 16:26 GMT

#556

Guys, you're not getting it (although Tolkien is close enough so this doesn't really apply to you). There is no argument for withholding anything just because it's nighttime. Reads, discussion, pressure, whatever, this is a full third of the game that y'all seem content to flush down the drain out of a paranoid worry that the mafia might do something to subvert our discussion with their choice of kill. Guess what? They're always going to try to subvert our discussion with their choice of kill! This isn't a valid argument against nighttime discussion.

Furthermore, the fact that this was apparently explicitly spelled out in the postgame analysis for LII makes me more suspicious of whoever was in that game and is advancing these arguments. There's less excuse for ignorance in that case, which necessarily increases the possibility of malevolence.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

March 28 2014 16:30 GMT

#557

On March 29 2014 01:23 IAmRobik wrote:As for Eden talking about night talk being the same as day talk...that's 100% incorrect. Night talk is different because your reads are now adjusted based off of the day flip. Prime example:

Eden makes the case at the end of the day: If cava flips mafia, then rob most likely mafia, otherwise rob prolly town. Then if I'm mafia, I can be like, hmmmm, maybe let's keep eden around since he thinks that I'm town based off of the flip, and then eden doesn't die with his thought that i'm actually mafia, as he expressed at the beginning of night phase and instead he comes out gunning for me unexpectedly.

And that, my friends, is why night talking is different from day talking.

This is completely backwards; the optimal thing in that situation would be for you to shoot me, so I die after having said you're town. If I withheld my change of heart on you then my death would send the direct opposite message from what I wanted to send.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

March 28 2014 16:37 GMT

#560

You're right, "the optimal play" was overstating it, but I don't think you're considering the other side of the equation. If you knew that I was withholding my reads by not talking during the night, you can't trust that I'm going to stay on your side. Whether you shoot me or not depends on how willing you are to trust that I'll stay on your side. The nightkill choice is WIFOM regardless of whether we talk during the night or not.

Again, the only thing that not talking during the night ensures is that we waste a third of our discussion time and that we potentially leave outdated reads that lead the town astray.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

March 28 2014 16:42 GMT

#562

Tolkien, since you're on board with me re: night talking, do you care to comment on my most recent posts before this tangent? (the ones dealing with sqrt being mafia, and the implications therein)

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

March 28 2014 16:43 GMT

#563

On March 29 2014 01:41 IAmRobik wrote:
Man, we could barely use the 48hrs we are allotted for d1. An extra 24hrs of night time is stupid. I'd rather night end after like 8-10 hours and give us another 48hrs with more information to work off of.

Well, that's not an option (though I definitely sympathize). Care to help me use the time we do have, even if you think it's stupid that we have it?

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

March 28 2014 16:48 GMT

#565

Okay, that's a good observation. I agree with you in this case; I typically like that heuristic but you're right, there's an overriding incentive for LT to have moved his vote if he's mafia.

How much could I get you to tell me about sqrt before the day ends? I still don't follow your townread on him.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

March 28 2014 19:41 GMT

#569

On March 29 2014 02:40 OnceKing wrote:
... ok nevermind, went through sqrt's filter and Valenius is absolutely right about sqrt LOL

Aight, so what's your read on them now then?

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

March 28 2014 21:10 GMT

#570

Everyone should post reads here before you get nightkilled and leave us with nothing.

For me it's...

Town across all scenarios: Roland Jarvis, Eden1892, Lord Tolkien, Cavalinho (rip)
Scum: sqrtofneg1

- Valenius is town if sqrtofneg1 is mafia, null-to-slight-scum read if sqrtofneg1 is town
- OnceKing is probably town, but could still plausibly be sqrt's partner; likelihood appears to be diminishing though
- Robik and Pixalated aren't on the same team; Pixalated makes the most sense as sqrt's partner, Robik is an outside possibility there; more likely to me that Pixalated is mafia rather than Robik

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

March 28 2014 21:42 GMT

#571

Guys, we have 20 minutes. Don't let the night end like this; you're only going to make it harder for the town to find your suspects when we reread the thread for your posts if you die.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

March 30 2014 22:00 GMT

#689

On March 31 2014 07:00 Amiko wrote:

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

March 31 2014 22:03 GMT

#723

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

April 02 2014 22:02 GMT

#849

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

April 02 2014 22:03 GMT

#851

C'mon guys Robik was obvious.

OnceKing I thought was kinda easy to see too but I can understand missing him.

GG scumteam thanks for shooting me N1 NOT

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

April 02 2014 22:06 GMT

#856

On April 03 2014 07:05 OnceKing wrote:

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mad

one day i will bury you ~~and we'll both be town rip~~

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

April 02 2014 22:07 GMT

#859

On April 03 2014 07:05 Blazinghand wrote:

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let's keep it constructive, guys.

Eden was shot because he was doing a good job of having reads and leading town; he was a good shot. If you get shot n1 as a townie, it's typically because scum is afraid you'll catch them. Getting shot is a sign of respect.

na i ain't mad he's earned it after totally grotesquely abusing me 2 games str8 as scum