EPTIII Titanic Mini Mafia: MS Paint Edition - Page 140
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raynpelikoneet
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thrawn2112
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my reasons for changing that read at that time was that I liked the way hopeless carried himself whenever he returened to the thread (after my q/a session with him) and he did ok under pressure as for my current town read on hopeless.. a lot of what palmar just said about hopeless is why I'm townreading him. he's just... kinda harmless so far? not only harmless, but he DID sheep the right wagon. I think I explained earlier that I think there is a difference between town sheeping and scum sheeping, scum selectively sheep according to their mafia agenda, while town will often sheep quite willy nilly, which is closer to how hopeless has been sheeping. there doesn't seem to be any malicious agenda behind it. it's simply sheeping for the sake of sheeping, which is actually a pretty good and townie strategy depending on what type of player you are. rayn and other people are talking about how helpful and enlightening hopeless can be as town and I disagree with that. | ||
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Koshi
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I am a bit sad there was no paint picture with 2 people missing from the picture Sentinel posted in the opening post. 4 blues are not confirmed now. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Koshi
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On March 22 2014 00:15 thrawn2112 wrote: koshi re hopeless: my reasons for changing that read at that time was that I liked the way hopeless carried himself whenever he returened to the thread (after my q/a session with him) and he did ok under pressure Maybe. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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There are some things I like about this case and some things I don't. I'm going to look at the points raised and see if they're true/false. Point 1: posts that backtrack themselves one after the other. The DP posts about Holyflare I don't read as backtracking. I see DP giving his read of the situation. Understand that if he's town, then Holy is expecting DP to have an unequivocal read on DP based on their interactions so far, one that he should have no doubt about. I find this unreasonable - especially considering the PAGES of interaction the two had, picking out 2 posts at the very beginning doesn't make me think there's a pattern of backtracking in DP's play, it makes me think Holyflare is grasping. Point 2: spreading doubt about rayn. In my opinion, there isn't much merit to this accusation either. I don't mark this point AGAINST Holy though, just don't agree with it. Point 3: the Coag situation. Now, okay...there is a gray area that no one wants to talk about with regard to policy lynches. They could be good or bad for town and whatever. I don't completely disagree that DP switching up his policies mid-stroke is suspicious, however the fact that Holyflare thinks it's the most damning piece of evidence leaves me thinking that maybe Holy is grasping - that maybe Holy KNOWS his case isn't as great as he thought it was, and he has to sound more sure about it than he actually is. Point 4: Voting Giggle when more sure about Poofter. Meeehhhh. Like, at the time strong voices in the thread were all about a giggle lynch and NOT all about a poofter lynch. Regardless of DP's alignment, I can see him defering to thread sentiment in this case - if he's not familiar with the player in question, it's not unreasonable to assume that DP is just giving him time regardless of what he says. Was DP calling Holy scum at the time of this case? Because part of his point is that DP should "agree with Giggle about me being scum" but as far as I can see DP has been leaning town - wrongminded stubborn and retarded town - on Holyflare. So I found that weird from Holyflare. Point 5: NO U! There is a series of posts here where Holy's all "HE SAID THIS AND IT NOT TRUE!!" I'm not going to comment on all of this because frankly I don't care about their little shit-flinging contest. Suffice to say that I appreciate Holy putting it at the bottom of his case in the post-script. Point 6: Stance on Hopeless/Vote on Giggle. One thing that struck me as odd about this point was how there is a bit of stuff that he's saying DP said here, but doesn't quote it as evidence...stuff like "he liked hopeless' case on me." He also says "He takes no stance on someone that is genuinely scummy", but it looks to me like the stance he takes is "I think he's town, but don't want to fight you guys over his lynch." He very clearly states "I don't think this guy is scum". Like - sounds like taking a stance to me. And like I said earlier, I don't find it particualarly scummy that DP voted giggle when he did over Poofter. Ultimately after going over the case and DP's filter, I don't agree with the case at all and come away from it thinking Holyflare looks worse from it. I still don't think I'd lynch Holyflare, but I certainly don't want to lynch DP based on this case. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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thrawn2112
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Koshi
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On March 22 2014 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi. If you come to the thread and there is a case on Vivax you think is a good enough to vote for him and you also think Holyflare and VE might be mafia what is the first thing you comment on? I shall go read the cases and the surroundings again. But I don't know what you are asking here. I think I would vote one out of the 3. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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thrawn2112
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Palmar
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Palmar
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Hopeless1der
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On March 22 2014 00:15 thrawn2112 wrote: koshi re hopeless: my reasons for changing that read at that time was that I liked the way hopeless carried himself whenever he returened to the thread (after my q/a session with him) and he did ok under pressure as for my current town read on hopeless.. a lot of what palmar just said about hopeless is why I'm townreading him. he's just... kinda harmless so far? not only harmless, but he DID sheep the right wagon. I think I explained earlier that I think there is a difference between town sheeping and scum sheeping, scum selectively sheep according to their mafia agenda, while town will often sheep quite willy nilly, which is closer to how hopeless has been sheeping. there doesn't seem to be any malicious agenda behind it. it's simply sheeping for the sake of sheeping, which is actually a pretty good and townie strategy depending on what type of player you are. rayn and other people are talking about how helpful and enlightening hopeless can be as town and I disagree with that.  I'm not always useless...just usually | ||
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thrawn2112
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Palmar
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On March 22 2014 00:26 thrawn2112 wrote: i think you become more useless the more people town read you Are you saying I'm making a big mistake not calling his mafia? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On March 22 2014 00:24 Palmar wrote: rayn though I was mafia that game, I have no idea why. Only because you said you are mafia. Then i stopped approximately at the time when you said you'll take assassin. | ||
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thrawn2112
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On March 20 2014 00:35 Giggletummy wrote: Flare/hopeless, and to a lesser extent DP. hopeless, do you tend to AFK or lurk as mafia? More than town games? Flare, after hopeless answers, do you agree with hopeless's answer? I see you calling out what town/scum DP does, what other people do, but if hopeless is actually known for being lurky/AFK as mafia, why would you not just wait for a clear scumtell in a little bit? On March 20 2014 00:37 Giggletummy wrote: nm on that last question, there's some other comments about mafia hopeless activity I think these posts are interesting. Post #1: GGT wants hopeless to describe his own meta, and wants holyflare to comment on what hopeless says. Now why would GGT be doing this? He is scumreading both of those players, so he is trying to question his scumreads as to get better reads on them. Post #2: GGT realizes that people have already commented about hopeless's meta, so he rescinds his earlier questions. This is strange because the purpose of GGT's first questions WEREN'T ONLY to learn about hopeless meta. If GGT was only interested in hopeless meta he wouldn't have specifically asked those questions to his his top scumreads. He could have just asked the entire thread or gone and looked up the information himself. The only possible reasons for those questions are to either gather info from his scumreads (if GGT is town) or to appear like he's trying to gather info on his scumreads (if he's scum). But he rescinds the question! So he's not interested in what scumread hopeless has to say about his own meta, and he's not interested in what scumread holyflare has to say about what hopeless says. So he's trying to appear like he is questioning his scumreads and not actually trying to question them? | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On March 22 2014 00:28 Palmar wrote: Are you saying I'm making a big mistake not calling his mafia? hard to say. there are mistakes and there are mistakes | ||
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