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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 05 2014 12:52 GMT
#381
On March 05 2014 21:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Xatalos what do you think of Palmar and LSB and one other person you want to talk about?

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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 05 2014 12:55 GMT
#382
About LSB...

"2) Having multiple Kp roles all at the top of the list is very dangerous because mafia can share numbers and avoid clash. This is especially true in a mini game."

I don't think this was mentioned yet, but actually rayn's plan solves the problem that was presented as being a problem with rayn's plan here. If we follow a plan to pick the KP roles, there can be no clashes with picking the KP roles, meaning that Mafia have no advantage in picking the KP roles at all. So in the end this point 2 just encourages rayn's plan.

LSB hasn't really done much else besides this anti-rayn stance. He also seems set on undermining the plan rather than trying to genuinely talk about it with rayn. It reminds me of myself in LXIV where I tried to undermine the mass claim plan and marv becoming Mayor - no meaning to be objective, just flatly refusing it in any way possible. Very possibly scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 05 2014 13:00 GMT
#383
That's not really how i see it happened.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 05 2014 13:03 GMT
#384
Has Oats forgotten this game exists or something?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 05 2014 13:03 GMT
#385
wow he only posted like an hour and a half ago. Disregard entirely. lol.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 05 2014 13:04 GMT
#386
-->saw him post elsewhere
-->thought i only remembered me/rayn/xata
-->made comment
-->fail
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 05 2014 13:04 GMT
#387
On March 05 2014 22:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's not really how i see it happened.


?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 05 2014 13:04 GMT
#388
On March 05 2014 21:55 Xatalos wrote:
[...]

LSB hasn't really done much else besides this anti-rayn stance. He also seems set on undermining the plan rather than trying to genuinely talk about it with rayn.
[...]

This is in my opinion not 100% true.
There is also the possibility that LSB didn't actually read my posts with thought, called me out for a plan he thought was anti-town and then peaced out. You seem to completely forget this option which is unfortunately quite likely for LSB.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 05 2014 13:06 GMT
#389
On March 05 2014 22:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 21:55 Xatalos wrote:
[...]

LSB hasn't really done much else besides this anti-rayn stance. He also seems set on undermining the plan rather than trying to genuinely talk about it with rayn.
[...]

This is in my opinion not 100% true.
There is also the possibility that LSB didn't actually read my posts with thought, called me out for a plan he thought was anti-town and then peaced out. You seem to completely forget this option which is unfortunately quite likely for LSB.

You see it's not this I have so much of a problem with, it's that he then jumped to the conclusion that you were mafia.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 05 2014 13:07 GMT
#390
Okay forget what i just said, i'm stupid.

Who else do you want to talk about Xatalos?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 05 2014 13:07 GMT
#391
On March 05 2014 22:06 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 22:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 05 2014 21:55 Xatalos wrote:
[...]

LSB hasn't really done much else besides this anti-rayn stance. He also seems set on undermining the plan rather than trying to genuinely talk about it with rayn.
[...]

This is in my opinion not 100% true.
There is also the possibility that LSB didn't actually read my posts with thought, called me out for a plan he thought was anti-town and then peaced out. You seem to completely forget this option which is unfortunately quite likely for LSB.

You see it's not this I have so much of a problem with, it's that he then jumped to the conclusion that you were mafia.

yeah that's true.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 05 2014 13:10 GMT
#392
I honestly already forgot he voted for me because that was ultimately dumb.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 05 2014 13:11 GMT
#393
hehe.

Xata repeating shit already said is weird.

Artanis suddenly playing the game is weird as shit. Artanis why did you stop playing that game with Rayn and start playing the game seriously?
No gg, No skill.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 05 2014 13:12 GMT
#394
I'm on my phone now, on my way to an event, so it's harder to read filters. I guess I'm not feeling too good about yamato. He's usually pretty obvtown as town and I don't get him as a townread here, really. I'll be keeping a close eye on him.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 05 2014 13:12 GMT
#395
I have one really big problem with Artanis..
marv do you know what it is?
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 05 2014 13:14 GMT
#396
His soft defense of me or?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 05 2014 13:15 GMT
#397
Just re-read LSB, it seems kinda genuine. Dunno. Although
On March 05 2014 15:39 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 15:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
LSB you are saying stuff that's fucking terrible. If you are town i need you to rethink what you are saying because the only way we can lose this game as town is if mafia gets too much KP and we don't know where it is / can't control it.

So please read and think if you are town.

Your idea of limiting mafia KP is to give them the KP roles and pray that they believe a divided town threat of 'policy lynching if you don't listen to us'?

Someone already mentioned this but I don't like how it couches it in "divided" already. As whoever made the point originally, LSB is only making it so by taking that stance.

Ok I'm not sure about the genuine bit
On March 05 2014 10:30 LSB wrote:
Let's get organized boys
Plan: Don't give LSB your role names
1. If you are first pick, grab Assassin
2. If you are not first pick, grab whatever you want.
3. Do NOT reveal your role, even if you are VT. + Show Spoiler +
This is conditional, for example if someone gets day vigged and you tried to grab day vig but failed, by all means claim. If you viged a mafia, by all means brag in thread


The assassin is the scariest role in mafia hands, day KP is always scary and the assassin has multiple uses. In addition it is pretty much unblockable.

In addition there are (potentially) 5 roles with access to KP, it would be almost impossible to hold people accountable for missed shots. In addition we should try to keep the alignment cop alive as long as possible and the jailkeeper will also be super useful.

LSB is generally anti-role claim, yet one of the major issues he takes with rayn's plan is that the roleblocker is important to be able to prevent KP roles. But under his plan how is the roleblocker supposed to identify KP roles to block if he wants to anyway...?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 05 2014 13:16 GMT
#398
No it has to do with me.
table for two on a tv tray
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 05 2014 13:18 GMT
#399
Then the sudden "rayn confirmed town"?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 05 2014 13:19 GMT
#400
On March 05 2014 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have one really big problem with Artanis..
marv do you know what it is?

it's easier if you just say, I'm not a fan of the general "I want you to find the thing I'm looking at" thing
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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