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On March 09 2014 03:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Mm, LSB being a bus driver might actually make sense. It also makes sense in the context that there's a lot of roles for town and scum get roles to counteract/mess with them. It seems the most reasonable explanation so far. Just surprised that Austin would make himself "look good" by clearing a "lynchbait" LSB. I guess it could be possible he already sacrificed himself to make LSB look better. I'm good with this explanation and that makes LSB my prime lynching target.
It was a bit weird that austin chose to use all his time "townreading" LSB. What do you think of LSB's evolution of thought process regarding austin during D1 though?
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Also LSB's vote on the D1 lynch was pretty scummy. He basically just ninja-voted Hopeless (town) and went away from the thread while the thread was discussing lynching either yamato (scum) or austin (scum). gumshoe did a pretty similar thing, but like I explained, it would be extremely hard to imagine that gumshoe's modified Veteran role could survive 2 KP + kill marv (through protection).
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It's hard to imagine that gumshoe's Veteran role could survive 2 KP in any case. Being bus drived is the easiest explanation for that.
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On March 09 2014 04:48 prplhz wrote:
i like everything about the busdriver theory except the busdriver part
Haha  austin did receive the GF effect in addition to his original role though so it's not too far-fetched.
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On March 09 2014 04:49 prplhz wrote:
maybe gumshoe is busdriver and he busdrove himself
if scum is a busdriver it could be anybody really
It would make a lot more sense for JOAT to receive a bus driver ability than for Veteran to receive something like that.
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On March 09 2014 04:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2014 04:29 Xatalos wrote:On March 09 2014 03:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Mm, LSB being a bus driver might actually make sense. It also makes sense in the context that there's a lot of roles for town and scum get roles to counteract/mess with them. It seems the most reasonable explanation so far. Just surprised that Austin would make himself "look good" by clearing a "lynchbait" LSB. I guess it could be possible he already sacrificed himself to make LSB look better. I'm good with this explanation and that makes LSB my prime lynching target. It was a bit weird that austin chose to use all his time "townreading" LSB. What do you think of LSB's evolution of thought process regarding austin during D1 though? I can't be bothered to think about this anymore. There's good reasons for LSB being scum and there's good reasons for everyone else being town.
Yeah, it's mostly about how weird it would be for anyone else to be Mafia at this point. We'll see at the deadline if it was right.
If anyone has a more sensible explanation for the N1 actions, I'd like to hear it. Not including senseless / OP role powers.
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I mean... prplhz, do you really think that Veteran (survive 1 KP) would be modified to Veteran (survive 2 KP + bus drive / NK through protection)?
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It makes even less sense than your day-vig role becoming "NK through protection".
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But it wouldn't be so weird if JOAT became "use DT, Vigi, Medic or RB" -> "use BD, Vigi, Medic or RB".
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On March 09 2014 05:13 prplhz wrote:
no but fifth dimensional planar dragon could do that easily
Wth is that?
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On March 09 2014 05:17 prplhz wrote:
in ancient times on tlmafia fifth dimensional planar dragons roamed the games until a group of heroic townies banded up to banish it forever for it was too overpowered for this world
but these days rumors say that some of these primal beasts have broken out of their prisons and yet again prey on unsuspecting liquidians
I hope none of these planar dragons have subdued the balance team and come to roam in our game.
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I think there was a PYP game where a role was a combined DT+Vigi... But the point is that it would be weird for something like a basic Veteran to become super+resilient + other powers on top of it after modifications.
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I'm interested to hear what LSB has to say when he comes back. Time to concede? 
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Wait... I thought LSB can only use his power once (pick one power, use it, that's it). Or can he use each one of his possible powers once? I'm confused.
My opinion on Artanis's plan will depend quite a bit on how that works.
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On March 09 2014 12:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2014 11:59 Xatalos wrote:
Wait... I thought LSB can only use his power once (pick one power, use it, that's it). Or can he use each one of his possible powers once? I'm confused.
My opinion on Artanis's plan will depend quite a bit on how that works. I believe it's the latter.
I think it's the former but I asked geript just to be sure. If it's the former, we should definitely lynch LSB. If it's the latter, we should probably lynch prplhz. I just don't see how gumshoe could be scum with a (modified) Veteran role. Also he's probably modkilled soon enough or if he returns, his explanation would clear up the situation significantly. I see no good point in lynching him today (and he's quite likely not even Mafia based on the night actions).
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Now I must go to sleep, but we'll figure things out tomorrow!
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Okay, once JOAT uses *any* ability once, he becomes a vanilla. So LSB should have no more powers if he used an ability last night (which he claims).
I don't think gumshoe is particularly the most likely Mafia based on play. He was just as useless in GoT Mafia as town. I do agree that prplhz is less likely to be Mafia based on play (he would have bussed yamato+austin during D1, for example...). LSB is IMO the most likely Mafia based on night actions AND play so I see no reason not to lynch him. Now we also know that your plan is faulty so there's no role-based reason to spare LSB.
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So let's consider the advantages of lynching LSB/gumshoe.
LSB:
+ Scummy play and scummy D1 vote
+ Most sensible role theory for N1 night actions as scum
+ gumshoe is probably getting modkilled anyways
gumshoe:
+ His death wouldn't at least lose us anything
+ His death would possibly reveal us more about the situation (if he's a normal Veteran, then either prplhz was lying or gumshoe was bus drived)
I say we do it like this:
1) Vote LSB for now
2) If gumshoe comes back just to ninja vote, we lynch him - otherwise he gets modkilled so no reason to lynch him
3) Lynch LSB/gumshoe
4) ????
5) profit!
I'm fine with a compromise like that. gumshoe has it coming if he just ninja votes once more.
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I have no idea why gumshoe even signed up for this game though. I hope we would have had WotC or something to prevent it.
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I'm a bit tempted to lynch gumshoe just so that he couldn't possibly win if he has some super OP role...
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