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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
March 08 2014 17:28 GMT
#2221
you will be able to use this ability one additional time on the following cycle


Palmar has to shoot today.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
March 08 2014 17:29 GMT
#2222
Reading OP's is a good skill toi have
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-08 17:52:07
March 08 2014 17:31 GMT
#2223
Hopeless1der the vigilante is dead
+ Show Spoiler +
Vigilante -
Twice per game during any night phase, you may PM the host to select one player by sending ##Shoot: Player Name. That player is targeted with 1 KP on that night phase. You may only shoot once per each night phase. You may not target yourself.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 08 2014 17:37 GMT
#2224
unsurprising.

Votes on gumshoe pls.

Artanis you're not protecting anyone tonight, in fact, no one is doing anything at all tonight. The only exception is Xatalos who can check whoever he wants.
Computer says mafia
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 08 2014 17:43 GMT
#2225
Ugh. Given the actions it doesn't make sense but his play looked pretty town.
Why are we lynching Gumshoe and not prplhz?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 08 2014 17:53 GMT
#2226
Hold on, I'm thinking of something here.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 08 2014 17:54 GMT
#2227
Fuck this game tbh.
Computer says mafia
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 08 2014 17:54 GMT
#2228
Oh wait it wouldn't make any sense because neither marv or rayn should have interacted with gum during the night.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 08 2014 17:55 GMT
#2229
WHY IS GUMSHOE STILL AFK THIS IS REALLY ANNOYING
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 08 2014 18:31 GMT
#2230
If gumshoe dies without telling us if and when he got hit I'm going to be very annoyed.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 08 2014 18:49 GMT
#2231
Well, that took out the easiest explanation. I didn't really think more thinking would need to be done, but here you go...

Now we know that Hopeless shot gumshoe once. This means that either A) prplhz was lying when he said he used his day-vig on gumshoe or B) gumshoe could somehow survive 2 KP or C) Artanis jailed gumshoe / Hopeless or D) someone bus drived gumshoe and marv.

C seems very, very unlikely. Artanis would need to have RB/save + KP. I heavily doubt that there would be bonus KP through any modifications to a role - it's just too big of a change. Artanis -> very likely town.

It's plausible that gumshoe could somehow survive 2 KP, but not very likely. It'd also be pretty weird if gumshoe could survive 2 KP AND kill marv+rayn through protection at the same time. It's just way too much stuff in one role. I really don't think gumshoe is our remaining scum. gumshoe -> pretty likely town.

prplhz could have lied about his day-vig on gumshoe. Maybe his role changed from day-vig to some kind of a NK role? It doesn't make too much sense though... Day-vig would be fit for scum the way it is. And if his role is the regular day-vig, he would have no way to kill marv+rayn. Also prphlz would have at least semi-bussed both yamato and austin early on. prlhz -> null?

I guess LSB as a scum JOAT could have his DT check replaced with a bus driver ability or something (DT would be useless for scum). It's a bit far-fetched, but possible. It would explain everything perfectly and it wouldn't even be OP in any way. It's problematic that LSB took a heavy risk by claiming greencheck on me (he could do nothing but concede if I redchecked him), but the situation for scumteam is pretty dire, so maybe he just took the risk. LSB -> scum?

The LSB bus driver theory seems surprisingly like the best explanation. Artanis is very likely town, I don't believe gumshoe could both survive 2 KP and kill marv+rayn, and prplhz would need to have his day-vig transformed into some more powerful NK role.

What do you think Artanis?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 08 2014 18:56 GMT
#2232
Mm, LSB being a bus driver might actually make sense. It also makes sense in the context that there's a lot of roles for town and scum get roles to counteract/mess with them. It seems the most reasonable explanation so far. Just surprised that Austin would make himself "look good" by clearing a "lynchbait" LSB. I guess it could be possible he already sacrificed himself to make LSB look better. I'm good with this explanation and that makes LSB my prime lynching target.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 08 2014 19:01 GMT
#2233
if it's not gumshoe you should kill me next
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 08 2014 19:04 GMT
#2234
Did you read that wall of text?
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 08 2014 19:11 GMT
#2235
On March 09 2014 04:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Did you read that wall of text?

read what?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 08 2014 19:14 GMT
#2236
Basically every other mechanically possible option (Artanis, gumshoe, prplhz) doesn't make much sense one way or another. I'd argue that gumshoe isn't even really mechanically possible (he'd need to be a double Veteran + have KP that would pass through protection = mission impossible!).

But LSB having bus driver as one of his JOAT options would just... explain everything. It wouldn't actually even be OP in any way and it's not *that* far-fetched (austin did have a GF modification after all and nothing like that was mentioned in the original roles). And him having bus driver would explain everything neatly:

1) Artanis jailed marv
2) LSB bus drived marv-gumshoe
3) Hopeless shot gumshoe (-> marv died)
4) LSB used Mafia KP on rayn

There's nothing weird or odd in any of these events. It's not even very weird that JOAT would be modified for Mafia to replace DT with something like bus driver.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 08 2014 19:23 GMT
#2237
There's also something pretty weird in LSB's filter. Early on LSB posts this (distancing?):

On March 06 2014 15:46 LSB wrote:
As for alternative lynches who's name isn't LSB

I'm all for Austinmcc, mainly off of this.

Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 10:07 austinmcc wrote:
Seems like everyone has chosen a nemesis this game.

Hopeless and prpl had their bit.

yamato and marv i guess

we'll let rayn and LSB square off

gumshoe and artanis?

OATSMASTER I CHALLENGE YOU TO BE MY NEMESIS. ALSO, WHY AM I RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING?

Tying peoples alignment together is pretty bad.

I also don't like hoplessder, he has been sheeping rayn so hard


BUT later on he has conveniently forgotten all about austin and brings forth a group of new suspects (although Hopeless remains - and he reluctantly calls yamato a "lurker lynch"):

On March 07 2014 04:15 LSB wrote:
Yamato - lurking hard. Day 1 lurker lynch isn't bad

Gumshoe - although wishy washy, I totes understand the point "How about lets not let people who propose plans take highly abusable roles?". Especially since it seemed like town would follow the plan, it would be a bad idea to sacrifice yourself to send yourself down the list. I'm gonna read him as town.

Hopleless1der - Has done nothing but sheep, has very little original thought, just setup talk. I have no idea what is going on this game, but compared to his last game in Shadowed, there is a huge discrepancy.

Marv-
Is this what town marv would say?
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 20:27 marvellosity wrote:
so no-one talked to me about things i should be choosing between :<

Most the rest of his filter seems fine.


Then he disappears until N1 and never talks about anything related to the lynch. He's clearly not very invested in how the lynch turned out (since, in hindsight, it was between 2 scum).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
March 08 2014 19:26 GMT
#2238
Xatalos' posts prpl.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 08 2014 19:27 GMT
#2239
I'm now personally sold on this LSB bus driver theory. It makes more sense than anything else.

##Vote LSB
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 08 2014 19:29 GMT
#2240
On March 09 2014 03:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Mm, LSB being a bus driver might actually make sense. It also makes sense in the context that there's a lot of roles for town and scum get roles to counteract/mess with them. It seems the most reasonable explanation so far. Just surprised that Austin would make himself "look good" by clearing a "lynchbait" LSB. I guess it could be possible he already sacrificed himself to make LSB look better. I'm good with this explanation and that makes LSB my prime lynching target.


It was a bit weird that austin chose to use all his time "townreading" LSB. What do you think of LSB's evolution of thought process regarding austin during D1 though?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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