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On February 18 2014 12:42 jaybrundage wrote:
there is some amazing stuff in here
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02-14-2014
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I am your personal cheerleader.
Suki suki she's our (wo)man
If she can't do it no one can
Woooo
Wooo
[i did not sport well in school, I have no idea what cheerleaders actually say]
Hehe I love that he posted what I was saying in the obs thread to suki during that time
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Well Jay actually thought he was blue last game too, so there's that.
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My biggest problem with your push on jay from what I remember was that you were pushing only based on the first few hours of the game. You disregarded my whole interaction with him where we fleshed out why we were misunderstanding each other and he started to rescind his scum read of me and Koshi.
On top of that you never really tried to see what it would be like from his perspective. Koshi and I both jumped on him over VERY little to garner a reaction, and koshi antagonized him A LOT. There was some serious emotional reactions within that time.
Beyond that, I thought your push on him was good. It sure pressured him a lot. You clearly thought he was scum. It was good. Dunno why people gave you so much shit for it haha.
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And to be honest: Jay was being unrealistic and somewhat scummy in regards to your push on him. He didn't really try to do anything that would dispel your scumread of him. For example, when you called him out for saying koshi was scum and then completely dropping it. He should have given reasoning there but he didn't. The OMGUS for "misrepresenting" what he was saying even though it wasnt really misrepresenting was really bad too.
Jay wasn't helping his case.
Honestly if I didn't have such a strong scumread on jonny I felt like hopping on at some points. The meta case was convincing etc and he was making me mad but jonny was pretty obv scum to me and there were even more scummy people above him like alakaslam.
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On February 18 2014 13:05 suki wrote:
Yeah see I don't care about people's defenses. I think scum can easily WIFOM their way out of bad situations.
I was looking at jay's contributions to the thread and his attitude more than anything else.
This is really untrue for you actually and really only true for this situation.
Look at NMM1 and the last iteration of this. You DID care about people's defenses. Hell you jumped around like a crazy person.
The difference here is jay never really DEFENDED himself against you, and never really provided a good scum read of his own for you to reason with.
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Yep that was my point ^_^
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but not everything revolves around your cases... how would you feel if you just got pressured like crazy 1 hr into game by 3/4 townies and 1 scum and then when you finally start to come into your own you start getting pressured by another townie.... that shit is draining
i'd see you pressuring me and be like NAHHHHHHHHH
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oh when you posted your d3 case on jay's claim I was like OHHH SHIT SUKI JUST FUCKING CRUSHED THIS NERD
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On February 18 2014 13:12 suki wrote:
Would you be like NAHHHHHH I'm going to OMGUS that person and not provide any more reads and pretty much look like I don't care about the game?
that's the attitude I felt.
I mean... that was his attitude ^_^ so yeah its totally possible townies would do that.
It might not be optimal but sometimes you can't put your heart into the game. Just look at your d3 here, we could all tell at some points you felt demotivated, it just happens, you were able to get right back into it but not everybody can right away.
The optimal thing would obviously be for him to refute your points and provide his real scumread. But if the game could be broken down that way it wouldn't be fun. Mafia is fluid, emotions and opinions of people change things ALL the time.
Anyways.. I would for sure like to hear what jay has to say about what he was up to during day 1.
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On February 18 2014 13:17 suki wrote:
Furthermore, his reason for not posting for the rest of day one 'Because I was scared of drawing attention to myself and being mislynched' ...
I mean that explains it right? His attitude was one of survival and defense rather than scum hunting, which was pretty much the whole reason I was on his case to begin with.
His survival attitude ended up not being because he was scum but it's something that I do find very scummy.
I think thats scummy too BUT I think its totally consistent with what a townie would do if he was in jay's position.
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hey I thought he was scummy too... just less than jonny!
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Here's the exchange that was actually really eye opening to jay's thought process that I think you (suki) really disregarded.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 07 2014 12:36 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 12:31 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 12:22 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 12:16 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 12:01 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 11:54 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 11:51 Balla24 wrote:
Are you guys seriously pushing jay right now?
There's really nothing new. Everybody knows he's made some scummy decisions. He's been pressured to no end, no reason to keep pushing him now because we know almost everything about him. Let him play the game, watch him to see if he redeems himself, but there's no reason to keep pushing him unless there is NEW information.
Let him play unpressed, see what happens. Balla talk to me why do you think my push on Koshi is scummy. I think while it isn't the most amazing case. It is after all an early day 1 case. And I think alot of things I said are completely true. If you are referring to the big "case", I never said that was scummy. I said that it was ok, but I don't really like the fact that it's built off of koshi not being happy. It's new information, which is good, but the information isn't that great, you know? I don't think that case is scummy at all. What I think was possibly scummy was your initial reaction to koshi's "fake vote". I explained multiple times so I don't really want to type it all out again, but it was based on the fact that your initial reaction was more scum like than town like in the fact that you weren't really trying to figure out what koshi was doing, and were just attacking him. You weren't curious, as I expect a townie who is having a WTF moment would be having. After your initial reaction, you calmed down and started displaying more townie traits, but still, the initial reaction is what my read on you is based off of. Everything after that is "meh" to me. Does that not make sense? Hmm So rereading it. I responded to your vote. Cause it was like a foolishness cameo. I had voted you semi-jokingly before. So I didn't take it seriously. I didn't respond to Koshi's vote because it just seemed like a throwaway/joke vote. Then I posted my thing about him not being excited enough in his first post. Then you posted your thing about me not commentating on them. But I actually had commentated on one of them. Which was yours. But I didn't feel a reason to comment on them indepth because they didn't seem like real votes in the first place from what I thought. Does that make sense? First off you didn't reply to everything I said in there haha, does that make sense what I said? Like I don't want you to misunderstand where I think you are scummy and where you're not. Ah but that wasn't me who said you didn't comment on them, that was Koshi. Interesting. So actually, I think your initial reaction to my vote was super town. I wasn't expecting it to go any further than that after that response until you blew up at Koshi which set off red flags everywhere for me. Turns out, Koshi here is the catalyst for everything. And his antagonizing behavior led to all this. Koshi: i know you're asleep but I want you to answer this so i'm asking it again, what was it that "felt off" about the post we voted jaybrundage for? What didn't I reply on? Yea misread again it was Koshi. I never really responded to Koshi's vote vote tho. Can you quote the post your talking about? Also I am sorry my clone I think i misread you D: The post you were quoting where I replied to you. It was about how you had the impression that I was calling your push on Koshi scummy. I just want to know if we're clear now and on the same page. I don't know what you're talking about in regards to responding to koshi's vote vote though haha. I don't care that you didn't reply to his vote post where he called you awkward or whatever. There was no reason to.
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On February 18 2014 13:23 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2014 13:14 suki wrote:I know right? I was so happy. And then Jay had to ruin it by actually being town hehehe.  You and jonny. This guy wasn't scum. BUT HE SHOULD OF BEEN QQ
LMAO. In all fairness I think Jonny's case on you was completely ridiculous last game. Like I can understand feeling weird about how townie you were playing, but pushing it as your day1 lynch seems unreasonable.
Actually this game I felt really off about Aquanim the entire time but it ended up never really materializing.
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On February 18 2014 13:24 suki wrote:
Could you maybe summarize it to make it easier for me to digest?
Yeah. So if you remember the events of the early game in which resulted in a lot of what you found jay scummy for, I early voted jay to see his reaction (cause I thought his post was somewhat scummy), koshi hops on etc etc.
In that quote string, jay explains EXACTLY what he was thinking about each little thing. My vote, koshi's vote, koshi's followup etc etc... it's eye opening because I realized he was blowing up specifically because KOSHI was not providing reasoning and being antagonistic.
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haha no not really... you were blowing up at jay because he WASN'T doing what he did for me, which was indepthly explain his thought process
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Ohhh yeah. This was by far the funnest mafia game i've played to date. D1/N1 was just so full of lulz and funny moments.
- really random opening post that actually pinged 2 mafia
- Really stupid king stuff
- WAGON OF JUSTICE
- jay likening me to being king of rohan with regards to suki
ah so good
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Rofl... some of the conclusions that follow from my retarded math are hilarious.
For example:
While I had a 1.02% chance to roll TMMM, it also follows that I had a 3.03% or something chance to roll TMMT. So its really amazing that I even rolled town OR mafia!
I loved skewing that into exactly what I wanted. Which was Jonny being scum as the outcome. It took me awhile to figure out that the best way to make it so that Jonny is scum is to show the chances of rolling mafia rather than show the chances to roll town. While making this, I was really upset that Jonny had something like a 40% chance to roll a TTTT situation, whereas I had 3.03% to roll a TMMT situation so i just flipped it! :D
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