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Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
February 15 2014 05:02 GMT
#1702
@LoneMeow: What was the thought process and purpose behind this post:
On February 13 2014 17:50 LoneMeow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2014 17:43 suki wrote:
If I ignore his Day 3 'kamikaze no plan for the future' play, then he looks worse than LoneMeow, as per my case in N2:

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 13 2014 00:41 suki wrote:
Hopeless:

Hopeless is way more active than last game. I was going to say that this points to him being more town but actually thinking about it, he was pretty active at the end of Day 1 last game, active enough to convince people he was town. I was also going to say he's more light-hearted but actually his tone seems about the same (minus the reboot pic that he posted when his wireless conked out which is null imo).

He hard pushes Jay as the lynch on Day 1:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 10:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
I dont like jayb..so forced and trivial. Like in a too-scummy-to-be-scum way.

Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 03:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
is jay TRYING to be scummy?


I actually liked the way he pressured and thought it was townie.

and then he randomly votes Jonny:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2014 23:44 Hopeless1der wrote:
On February 08 2014 23:29 Koshi wrote:
On February 08 2014 23:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
On February 08 2014 23:02 Koshi wrote:
You never sheep.
Was is dis?

I sheep all the time, I just dont say im sheeping

Not at all.
Did.you agree with Hopeless read on you?
How sure are you about jonny red flip?

Of course he disagrees with me, he's scum Koshi. /sarcasm

I may not be back before deadline, family stuff. I'll try to keep updated by phone

##Unvote
##Vote: JonnyLaw


So yeah it's a bit strange. Pushes Jay the whole game, I'm stilll hard pushing Jay. Suddenly he votes Jonny with no explanation.

Hopeless then posts his big scum theory on me, which is the biggest effort he's put all game (and which I felt was a big point in his favour). However, scum COULD have written it so let's look into his follow up...
...
..
He completely forgets about it.

That's really weird. Putting so much effort into calling someone scum and then not even following up. He gets sidetracked on Coag when thread sentiment is headed that way.

He also seems to still be seeing Jay as scummy, reaffirmed that Jay's quote was not a blue claim, but isn't pushing Jay either.

Show nested quote +
On February 12 2014 08:04 Hopeless1der wrote:
i kinda still like suki for scum because of her meta-reading of sidesprang being so out to lunch.


What about Hopeless' meta read on me? What about my 'bad' case on Jay? What about avoiding Jonny's scum games? About 'wait-and-see' with Jonny? Defending Jonny?

Somehow, Hopeless went from suki is scum I have a huge case with actual valid points to, 'i kinda still like suki for scum' with no explanation in between.

He also didn't talk about sidesprang yesterday and instead of pushing me or Jay just went with effectively a policy lynch.

Conclusion
I agree with Aqua, Hopeless looks a lot more scummy than LoneMeow. He's my number one scum read at the moment.



So does the "kamikaze" logic hold water? Are those really town reads he can't back out of if you are lynched and flip town?

Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
February 15 2014 12:37 GMT
#1703
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
February 15 2014 21:19 GMT
#1713
I reckon Hopeless is a better chance to flip scum than LoneMeow.



Day 1

When I looked at Hopeless' filter for day 1 of this game, something jumped out at me: Hopeless didn't seem to be looking around at many people as possible scum.

The ONLY player Hopeless asked questions of off his own bat was Jay.
The ONLY player Hopeless pressured himself was Jay.
The ONLY opinions Hopeless gave which weren't solicited were of Jay.

Compare with his Day One filter filter as town in SMB. He expresses and follows up on suspicion of Grack, Skanjab, Toad, etc.

Regardless of meta any townie should be looking at a fair proportion of the thread, if not everybody, day 1 as being at least possible scum. I don't see any evidence of Hopeless having doubts about the alignment of many people at all in his day 1 filter, or even trying to draw new information into the thread about anyone other than Jay which might be useful.

And finally, Hopeless sheeped onto Jonny having given no explanation, never talked about him or to him the entire day, nothing.



Day 2

Voted coag, then said nothing much more of value. Implicitly indicated here:
On February 12 2014 06:56 Hopeless1der wrote:
meh i'll save toad the legwork.

that he wasn't against the sidesprang lynch and might have voted for it. He did exchange a couple of words with Sidesprang here but nothing particularly related to scumhunting.

Incidentally, Sidesprang's reasons for shifting his scummish read on Hopeless to null here weren't particularly convincing.

Again there's not much of any interest in drawing new information about other people into the thread in Hopeless' filter.



Day 3

Still not much of any interest in looking at anyone other than Suki (and Jay earlier in the day) but at this point in the game that's not incriminating.

I had a look at some Hopeless scumgames and I think he's capable as scum of posting cases/reads/analysis in as much detail as he has in this game.





In contrast, I feel like LoneMeow has spent a fair bit of time this game getting information from a large variety of people. (His activity is not as great as Hopeless' but he is in a different timezone to many/all of us so that is only to be expected.)

LoneMeow listed Jonny as one of his scumreads on his initial entry to the thread, and had sidesprang moderately high on his scumread list.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
February 15 2014 21:31 GMT
#1714
Don't take this to mean that I'm decided on tomorrow's lynch already - but on the off-chance I get shot, you know where I'm at.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
February 15 2014 22:04 GMT
#1716
Not sure if he was shot because conf-town or because the last scum isn't a godfather - but I suppose it doesn't matter much.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
February 15 2014 22:06 GMT
#1717
EBWOP: GG JayB.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
February 15 2014 23:58 GMT
#1723
On February 16 2014 07:50 Hopeless1der wrote:
Does my vote on johnny look like a bus? Like I had anything resembling a plan to perhaps save him or otherwise capitalize on the scum lynch to get town credit?

The problem I have with this argument is at that point you couldn't have saved Jonny if you tried and pretty much whatever you did wasn't going to get you much town credit.

On February 16 2014 08:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
In defense to your 'smb'meta on me aqua, iirc I was under decent suspicion early on and my activity was appreciably greater because of it. LM cites me saying it in LXIII as well. It doesn't matter what alignment I am.

Another thing is I completely tunnelled grack day 1 for self voting, troll-lurking and being unhelpful and then toad day2 for 'not playing' and martyring. I lynched antitown behavior and couldn't be assed to look for the town motives because the behavior was so fantastically antitown that it deserved to be lynched.

I'd consider my treatment of coag this game to be on par with that.

Fine, I'll check other of your town games. However, I don't think you've adressed the actual point I was trying to make: namely, that as town (as any townie should be) you are suspicious, or at least curious, about many players in the game, whereas in this game you tunneled Jay and showed no real interest in anyone else's alignment.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
February 16 2014 01:53 GMT
#1725
On February 16 2014 10:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
So aqua, all the people that are saying that hopeless' game is different from the first one is wrong?

If you rolled scum in a game and then rolled scum in the reboot, would you play the same?

Can you remind me which aspects of his game have changed and why they reflect a town mentality? I'd go back and trawl through filters myself but I'm busy today. (look at my icon)
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
February 16 2014 02:10 GMT
#1727
And as for "everybody else who's saying X is wrong": by definition, in the current situation, we've ALL been wrong about somebody.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
February 16 2014 08:18 GMT
#1730
On February 16 2014 17:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
oh god thread is dead, how are we ever gonna win???
##vote LM
Im actually quite inclined to kill aqua for setting up lynches. Its really suspicious and seems like he knows that LM is town.

So you're not going to answer my question about Hopeless or adress my argument against him? okay then.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
February 16 2014 08:36 GMT
#1731
like seriously, if you're concerned about the thread being dead maybe you should talk about the only material anybody has contributed to the thread in the last 24 hours
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
February 16 2014 10:00 GMT
#1733
@Coag: Do you have any intention of possibly voting anybody other than me in the next two days?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
February 16 2014 10:04 GMT
#1734
See, Oats, the thing is here...

I don't see LM voting for anyone but Hopeless and I don't see Hopeless voting for anyone but LM. Coag's exceedingly likely to ignore anything I say. Therefore, the only person I'm talking to here is you... and if you just fuck off without discussing anything with me at all there's no fucking point in me posting anything.

So, what's it gonna be?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
February 16 2014 10:53 GMT
#1737
@LoneMeow: Why are you "pressuring" Hopeless at this point?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
February 16 2014 10:59 GMT
#1739
On February 16 2014 19:58 LoneMeow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2014 19:53 Aquanim wrote:
@LoneMeow: Why are you "pressuring" Hopeless at this point?


Because I'm not absolutely certain he's the last scum, so having him talk instead of just leaving his vote on me and disappearing for the rest of the day would be good.

Who are your more likely other possibilities?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
February 16 2014 11:01 GMT
#1740
EBWOP: that wasn't really clear. I'm trying to ask "if not Hopeless, who else are you primarily looking at?"
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
February 16 2014 11:26 GMT
#1742
Well, in that case, do you have any questions you want to ask me?
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
February 16 2014 12:19 GMT
#1744
...So that's how this day is gonna be then.

Fine.

##Vote: Hopeless1der
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
February 16 2014 21:16 GMT
#1756
On February 17 2014 02:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Really aqua? Theres still a day. If hopeless flips scum I will figuratively eat my hat

Then explain to me why I'm wrong instead of standing on your fucking soapbox making one-liner, un-useful posts.
Aquanim
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia2849 Posts
February 16 2014 21:17 GMT
#1757
Oats, do you or do you not give enough of a damn about this game to put in some bloody effort today?
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