On February 16 2014 01:40 yamato77 wrote:
No one but Palmar and I has expressed any desire to lynch anyone other than you today, VE.

If Keir is scum, he's getting bussed, absolutely.

Other than Keir, namely you*

yamato77

11589 Posts

February 15 2014 17:24 GMT

#2640

Voting you accomplishes nothing if no one is here to listen to me or switch to you.

I'm just here to keep you honest. You can't say bussing is not a possibility if he flips mafia because everyone is just afk voting. There is a negative amount of discussion going on. Whatever alignment he flips, mafia is absolutely fine with lynching him, lylo or not.

yamato77

11589 Posts

February 15 2014 17:27 GMT

#2642

Oh yeah VE, let's call me and Palmar mafia, the only two people who aren't auto lynching Keir. That makes so much sense.

yamato77

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February 15 2014 17:28 GMT

#2643

I actually believe that the only reason you think I'm mafia is because I think your play is scummy.

yamato77

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February 15 2014 17:31 GMT

#2646

Get over the fact that I think you're mafia and think logically.

yamato77

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February 15 2014 18:53 GMT

#2685

On February 16 2014 02:32 VisceraEyes wrote:

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This is me thinking logically. If you're town there is literally no way you could have a greater scumread on me than players like Risen/HF/Oats. It's like, impossible. So I think you're scum.

Considering that you've been soft pushing me as scum the whole game, it's not impossible. You haven't justified that read at all until this, which is just terrible OMGUS.

yamato77

11589 Posts

February 15 2014 19:01 GMT

#2686

Outside of this terrible push on me, I think your play makes sense if you are town and Keir is mafia. If it was the other way around, you have no reason to argue with me. If you were both mafia, I think you would just roll over.

I guess if we don't lose today, it's worth looking at other people first.

yamato77

11589 Posts

February 15 2014 19:15 GMT

#2688

On February 16 2014 04:05 Grackaroni wrote:
That's stupid. I would have been lynched yesterday if Koshi had shown any inclination of wanting to solve the game.

When you say "that", what are you referring to?

yamato77

11589 Posts

February 16 2014 18:52 GMT

#2761

I guess I actually have to read Risen.

Will do today at some point.

yamato77

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February 16 2014 19:59 GMT

#2763

Before I look at Risen, I want to ask, why is their an "association" between Keir and I?

yamato77

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February 16 2014 20:15 GMT

#2765

On February 17 2014 05:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
Keir mentioned you as a scum suspect but never pushed it or discussed it at all. Just throws you in as a secondary candidate to me.

He didn't push it because I called him out on it.

yamato77

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February 16 2014 20:18 GMT

#2766

On February 12 2014 17:46 Keirathi wrote:

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"Keir put me in his scum list, so he must be scum!"

Aw, boo fucking hoo.

But fine, this argument is pointless because you're not my top read anyways. Go read what I wrote about VE and give me some opinions.

And while you're at it, read through VE's filter in NMME1 and tell me what you see.

Sleepsies for real now.

Case in point

yamato77

11589 Posts

February 16 2014 21:34 GMT

#2773

On February 17 2014 05:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Kier is flipped mafia though Palmar, it's not just associative evidence.

It's not even good, because it's not even true.

yamato77

11589 Posts

February 16 2014 22:44 GMT

#2775

On February 17 2014 07:25 Palmar wrote:
I think I'm lynching Risen for effort alone tomorrow.

I don't care about winning or losing, it's about sending a message.

Well, if you/grack/hf/ve are all town, he pretty much has to be mafia.

The problem is, I'm not sure how confident I am in that quartet.

I'm pretty sure oats/wave are mafia, but as I said before, I doubt my earlier read on VE for how he's played since lylo started.

yamato77

11589 Posts

February 17 2014 20:21 GMT

#3017

##Vote Grackaroni

These nomination days are extremely boring.

yamato77

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February 18 2014 00:48 GMT

#3131

On February 18 2014 09:43 Palmar wrote:
Here's a starting point;

##vote yamato

I don't have the energy to argue against a non-argument like "he's playing different than that game a year ago".

yamato77

11589 Posts

February 18 2014 07:20 GMT

#3141

On February 18 2014 15:42 Oatsmaster wrote:

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you are probably getting lynched in the near future though Yamato. Does that give you the energy to argue?

No. I'm fairly done with mafia as a whole for a while.

yamato77

11589 Posts

February 18 2014 15:26 GMT

#3196

On February 18 2014 18:05 Palmar wrote:
I mean, even if we only look at volume, if I had the same volume of posting as you do, I'd be under heavy suspicion. We're both players of veteran tier, so I think you must at least understand why it is we're worried you might be scum. It is pretty clear that one of the reasons is that you seem to not care about the game at all.

If you then go on to refuse to clear up the muddy image, how on earth are we ever meant to win any mafia game ever?

You apparently have read my filter, and don't think it looks bad, so why am I being discussed? It was once correct that if I didn't particularly care about a game, I was mafia, but that's not even the case. I've played back to back games now where I have been demotivated to play. At least early on this game, I tried figuring things out.

If there is anything you think that muddies my image, bring up your concerns. I haven't read anything specific. It's all vagaries like "he's more active as town" which are the same kinds of things used against me in Quiet Game.

As for who we should lynch, I think it's clear that you/ve/HF are town, so it should almost certainly be in the oats/wave/risen group. I see you vote Oats. What makes him a better lynch than one of the other two?

yamato77

11589 Posts

February 18 2014 15:26 GMT

#3197

On February 19 2014 00:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah I'm fine with yamato lynch. Like, in other games in general I'm able to super fastly just commit to townYamato. He's really giving us nothing to work with this game, and with everything else I think he's just the best target.

##Vote: yamato

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You don't have any good reason for this to be your LYLO lynch idea.

yamato77

11589 Posts

February 18 2014 16:45 GMT

#3205

On February 19 2014 00:57 Palmar wrote:
I am liberally reading "I think it's clear", I guess, but assuming that is indeed your belief, the game is solved from your point of view if you're town. I wonder how that could possibly have gone past you?

As with anything in mafia, everything I say can be assumed to be qualified with the statement "I could be wrong, but".

As for my perspective, yes, it's likely solved, which is why I find it important to argue down my lynch. Still, it's still a good idea to have an idea of why we pick who we pick to lynch outside of the four of us (me, you, VE, HF), which is why I asked you about Oats specifically.