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marvellosity

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February 09 2014 01:14 GMT

#365

you would be correct

marvellosity

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February 09 2014 01:20 GMT

#368

I literally explained that the last game that me and rayn played together as town we buddied each other right from the start.

So perhaps you can understand my confusion why Koshi is supposed to buddy rayn but rayn buddying me is a bad thing.

marvellosity

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February 09 2014 01:26 GMT

#370

Yes, I'm aware you discussed it with rayn.

As a FYI, in my experience, people who buddy me are disproportionately likely to be town, because it's a risk for mafia to draw their attention to me for any reason. I'm hyper-aware of how people treat me in general because a) ego and b) I'm interactive anyways, so anyone buddying with me is automatically drawing some of my attention.

I don't tend to fall into the "he likes me, he town" trap that some people do.

marvellosity

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February 09 2014 01:32 GMT

#374

You always say you can't take my word for things, and I always end up being right. I trust you'll learn at some stage.

I mean, I even explained the rationale behind what I said because I know you like that sort of thing. It should make sense to you.

marvellosity

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February 09 2014 01:36 GMT

#376

It doesn't involve you simply trusting me, because it makes sense. It's the making sense part that's different from the blind trust part. Jeez :/

Anyway, the Cora thing. I didn't mind his big post like you did. I even saved it to talk about it but I decided not to. Essentially it seems pretty possible that he believes that what yamato did was genuinely misrepresenting him, even though what yamato said was actually totally fine. I *think* I'd expect a town-Cora to think that way more than a mafia-Cora, perhaps?

I expect a certain level of productivity from him though which I've not really seen so far. So that mini-read will only get him so far.

marvellosity

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February 09 2014 01:39 GMT

#379

On February 09 2014 10:39 WaveofShadow wrote:
See NOW you look like town Koshi but it took me drawing attention to you to get it,
Dun like.

Koshi why those specific posts? Are they just examples of how VA is not being his 'town self' and not doing anything (which I agree with btw)?

And what about the rage vs geript part?

BlazingHand got modkilled once for this line of argument. True story.

marvellosity

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February 09 2014 01:42 GMT

#382

On February 09 2014 10:41 WaveofShadow wrote:

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What?

Ok I left out the bits with the rage and the swearing. But LIII

BH: marv is doing nothing, he mafia
*marv does things*
BH: marv is still mafia, he only looks town because i called him mafia
marv: um...
BH: yeah you retarded scummer, etc etc
*modkill*

marvellosity

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February 09 2014 01:46 GMT

#384

no, not really.

This saddens me also. Hopefully something will turn up tomorrow.

marvellosity

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February 09 2014 01:47 GMT

#385

Maybe if Palmar does non-geript or better-geript things and rayn tells me where to look, we can get a good lynch.

marvellosity

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February 09 2014 01:58 GMT

#387

What attitude? I'm not sure where to look at the moment and if other people who are good at Day 1s can help things along, then good. There's not a lot else to it.

marvellosity

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February 09 2014 11:29 GMT

#466

On February 09 2014 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Fuck this I probably should just assume marv is town every game and just lick his asshole because he's often the only one that bothers to read anything I write.

They call this "progress"

\o\ \o/ /o/

marvellosity

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February 09 2014 11:36 GMT

#470

oh hi rayn. We are both here. Let's do something. Just got 2 pages to finish reading.

marvellosity

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February 09 2014 11:36 GMT

#472

Btw anyone describing my tiny argument with Wave as a "shitfest" does not know what a shitfest is. God.

marvellosity

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February 09 2014 11:40 GMT

#476

On February 09 2014 17:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
No you know what?
Reading that made me angry at VA's contribution level. And whenever I get angry at VA's contribution level he's town, without fail.
That's where I stand on that.
##Vote: Koshi

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He moved off of it briefly to shut me down for basically no reason....and now I'm curious considering his stance on VA/Koshi.

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On February 09 2014 15:30 yamato77 wrote:

On February 09 2014 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yamato do you think Cora is scum or not? You're harping on shit that has already been brought up:

On February 09 2014 04:41 WaveofShadow wrote:

On February 09 2014 01:47 Corazon wrote:

On February 09 2014 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What in your opinion was the discussion about geript you talked about and why did you not continue it by asking people about it if you thought that was important?

Geript's vote for VA and the discussion that followed.

When did I say I thought that discussion was important? I just said that I didn't comment on it because I thought it was Geript being Geript.

What exactly are you referring to do when you say 'geript being geript?'
I don't know I'd go so far as to say he was 'shitting up the thread,' but it was him I was referring to when I said his early efforts seemed 'forced,' not you.

Cora, I have a problem. See, you share ideas that I somewhat agree with in that I believe something is 'up' with geript, and this

On February 09 2014 04:18 Risen wrote:
Reasoning?

though, I suppose and obvious question isn't exactly alignment indicative when we're both thinking it, (btw Koshi I am VERY interested in this particular question)

but this post.
I hate it.

On February 09 2014 02:02 Corazon wrote:

On February 09 2014 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay. So you have not said pretty much anything then. Is there anyone that seems scummy to you atm?

I know this going to sound like a cop-out, but I don't have any scumreads right now. (This thought line only works for me) I know that because I am VT, people attacking me either have to be wrong or scum.

Rayn- I think your attack of me hinges on the interpretation that Geript's play was pro-active rather than shitting up the thread. It's not scummy if you disagree with me.

WoS- He is wrong too, but I feel like it is too much effort for scum to be attacking both me and VE at the same time in the effort of trying to make an association case. He's also trying to get opinions on his opinion, which tells me that he is looking for the right lynch, not the one that gives him a scum read to cling to.

Yamato- This:

On February 08 2014 19:01 yamato77 wrote:
RE: Cora

Didn't care for this bit:

On February 08 2014 12:25 Corazon wrote:

On February 08 2014 11:59 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well there is no "hook" for Alak to have to "get off" since he hasn't even been give a few hours. I think it is null for now Cora. It doesn't even feel scummy to you or you wouldn't be asking, you would be telling us.

Alright, I will give it a break. I just thought the conversation about Geript was going nowhere, so I wanted to throw it out there.

@Oats: 4 people in this game are scum. When I figure out who is scum, I'll let you know babycakes

Shoots down Oats for Oats' dumb "who is scum?" question, then

On February 08 2014 16:22 Corazon wrote:
Geript, when do you plan on actually trying to find scum? Just curious.

Turns around and does the same stupid thing.

I, unlike you, give him no townie points for the Slam questions because it was a silly thing to ask anyway.

Is just blatantly wrong. He calls me out without saying that my play has been useless/I'm shitting up the thread. He doesn't want to make these specific statements that I can easily disprove. My post to Geript was basically saying "When are you going to stop shitting up the thread" and he basically stated that I was shitting up the thread too, which is a complete lie.

My behavior ≠ Geript's behavior, and it's pretty bad for Yamato to try and link them together.

That is most of my thoughts on the game. I haven't seen too many egregious posts which also makes me think that we have another huge lurker scum team. But it's just a feeling.

On one hand it seems like the kind of stuff I'd say as town, (ie drawing attention to yourself by saying having no scum-reads might be a cop-out, being all apologetic) but then why does this only apply to you? Cora what is your D1 play normally like?
But the it looks like you're drawing distinctions where you feel like drawing them. Like it looks like you're afraid of Rayn (or maybe me lol) and throwing suspicion at yamato when Rayn literally said it was yamato's post that made him think you were scummy in the first place!

Also you're saying the scumteam is hugely lurky IS a cop-out. Do you think everyone who has posted so far is town? Is yamato scum for saying what he did?

Or alternatively have a look at what I wrote about Koshi. Marv is the only person aside from Koshi himself who has bothered to talk to me about it.

Also I just realized, we haven't heard from Holyflare and VE STILL hasn't answered my damn questions.

On February 09 2014 07:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Meh, I'm okay with geript for now. *shrug*

Wave if you want to elaborate on your feels a little bit I might be down with lynching Koshi.

This was the last I heard from him, I made my post and he hasn't responded to that OR the specific questions I asked him.

Fuck this I probably should just assume marv is town every game and just lick his asshole because he's often the only one that bothers to read anything I write.

Cora specifically said, "I am waiting for Yamato to respond to me". Kinda have to harp on that shit, bro.

I'm on Koshi's side in the VA-Koshi dynamic. VA looks more like mafia than Koshi does.

I don't understand the VE thing at all. Why is him being afk reason to vote him?

Not thrilling, Wave.

Like I remember thinking that I agreed with marv/Koshi but looking at VA's filter anew he's not cracking jokes and shit, true, but it's not about that. It's whether or not 6 months ago I'd be yelling at him for doing dick all. And in this game I would be 100%.

A remarkable post because it contains reasonable length but nowhere in it does it explain why his vote is going back on Koshi (I'm aware it does in his next post, but... not this one)

marvellosity

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February 09 2014 11:41 GMT

#478

On February 09 2014 18:16 yamato77 wrote:

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So he doesn't read as scum? That's a non-sequitur.

What I said was, this is similar to how he was playing in Quiet Game, which is true.

Also, his reads are pathetically shallow and he doesn't seem very interested in furthering them, either. When asked, he basically just said, "Yeah, I think he (Palmar) is scum but I'm not going to do anything until he comes back."

Weeeeeeeak. No one but Palmar has been strongly pushing any of their reads and I'm tired of letting these low-effort players play like this.

I mean, this town is like, drowning in nonchalance. Where's the impetus?

"his play is identical to how he played in this town game. It's also identical to personality 2 where he was town and only attacked his attackers.

Therefore scum"

That's your read yamato?

marvellosity

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February 09 2014 11:42 GMT

#479

On February 09 2014 20:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

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Corazon, Vayne, VE, Holyflare, Odinslot, (Oats, Palmar)

Who do we lynch? I think everyone else is town.

I'm tending towards a default lynch at the moment and whenever I default lynch I lynch town. No bueno.

marvellosity

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February 09 2014 11:44 GMT

#482

Was he? Am I getting it confused with Back to the basics?

Sorry yam.

marvellosity

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February 09 2014 11:45 GMT

#484

On February 09 2014 20:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What's a default lynch?

A default lynch is where I can't find strong reasons to think someone is mafia (xatalos LXIV, artanis/you Vengeful) but instead lynch someone for "not doing much" and "not caring about town" which are good heuristics that serve me well past day 1 but are fairly coinflippy on day 1.

Let me go check Oats' read on you, that does seem off.

marvellosity

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February 09 2014 11:46 GMT

#485

ok I outright retract my criticism of yamato, because he mentioned quiet game before and i assumed he was making a bad analogy then as well. Corazon has also again asked other people to scumhunt without doing any of his own. So underwhelming though.

marvellosity

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February 09 2014 11:47 GMT

#486

##Vote: Oatsmaster

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