[I][T][M] Vengeful Mini Mafia! - Page 11

DarthPunk

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February 07 2014 02:30 GMT

#1467

On February 07 2014 11:25 LSB wrote:
All I ask of you is to go over day 2 again and convince yourself that I am town

What? why would I do that. You need to convince me that you are town.

You are talking about how you would of shot rayn which are empty words. That does not make you town. That does not make you anything.

Anyway I want to know what cephiro thinks. If anyone puts down I vote I will be furious.

DarthPunk

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February 07 2014 02:34 GMT

#1468

On February 07 2014 11:29 LSB wrote:

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On February 07 2014 11:25 DarthPunk wrote:

On February 07 2014 11:21 LSB wrote:
I have been following this plan since the end of Day 2. Just switch around the names of me and marv

On February 07 2014 09:37 LSB wrote:
All I ask is if rayn flips red follow this post.

On February 07 2014 09:27 LSB wrote:

On February 07 2014 09:24 marvellosity wrote:

On February 07 2014 09:24 LSB wrote:

On February 07 2014 09:19 marvellosity wrote:

On February 07 2014 09:19 LSB wrote:
Fuuukkk. I just realized that since marv isn't dead Rayn is probably mafia.

I'll do your dirty work for you marv

##unvote
##Vote LSB

Explain? O.o

If I were mafia and both you and rayn were town, I would be like support your plan and would have lynched you by now so you can shoot rayn. Boom, two townies dead. EZ Day 2.

Since you aren't lynched yet, I can only assume that mafia don't want to see you go

you know, in a funny way, this does in fact make sense.

Lynch me instead, if Rayn flips red that basically confirms Marv as town, follow the endgame scenario detailed below

On February 07 2014 06:56 LSB wrote:
3 Players- Unconfirmed Townie, Confirmed Townie, Scum.
Unconfirmed Townie votes self and then shoots Scum. Town win

5 Players- 3 Unconfirmed Townies, Confirmed Townie, 1 Scum
Unconfirmed Townie votes self and shoots someone other than confirmed townie. This moves on to the 3 player lylo situation. Town win

GGWP Town victory

If Rayn is red, we can safely gamble that Marv is town.

Day 3
3 Town
1 Marv
1 Mafia

A Townies says "Lets follow LSB's plan" and votes himself. The townie then shoots anyone else but marv. If the town his mafia, game over. If the town hits town we move onto

Day 4
1 Town
1 Marv
1 Mafia

A townie says "Lets follow LSB's plan" and votes himself. The townie then shoots the guy who isn't marv. If marv is mafia we pat him on the back and say GGWP

We have arrived at an endgame situation and I will do my best to convince you that I am town.

1) The whole Day 2 Debacle. In the day 2 debacle I pushed you guys to lynch me so I could get Rayn. Imagine how stupid would that be if I was mafia. If I shot rayn, there would be 0 mafia members remaining, and thus I would lose. If I don't shoot rayn and instead I shot a townie, I would cast heavy suspicion on rayn and just commit suicide for no apparent reason.

But LSB, you ask, what if it was a bus and you were insane and risked being hammer just so you can appear townie? That is a huge risk just so I can bus my partner. Theoretically if DP was mafia it would make sense, but just from a simple headcount it would be impossible for both me and DP to be mafia.

2) Dead townies want you to believe I am confirmed town

On February 07 2014 09:55 marvellosity wrote:

On February 07 2014 09:54 LSB wrote:

On February 07 2014 09:52 marvellosity wrote:
LSB would you lynch me?

I would if people are convinced that I am town if Rayn flips red. Thus LSB plan would work. The main reason why I don't want to lynch you is that I want to reach a situation where we have a confirmed townie at lylo

you will be confirmed town when rayn flips red. Because I will be confirmed town and I vouch for you 100%. let's do it.

##unvote
##vote: marvellosity

On February 07 2014 09:56 marvellosity wrote:
LSB is by far the towniest dude in the thread.

On February 05 2014 13:21 Promethelax wrote:
Iamperfection: seemed really townie. He niggled in ways I liked during early game. I'm sad he replaced out since he was making sense and generally read as town.
Lsb: has clearly thought about the set up from a town perspective. This gels with both my past experience with town lsb (PYPLOL) and my read of imp as town.

Promethelax and Marvellosity have sacrificed themselves for the town to arrive at this conclusion. We need to make sure their deaths are not in vane.

If you are convinced that I am town what we need to do to win is have you vote yourself, and then shoot the other player.

The only reason marv agreed with your plan was because you said you would shoot rayn. You didn't ACTUALLY shoot rayn, you quick hammered fucking holy flare for no reason and now the magical way to win the game is for you to 'not die'

Let's step back and pretend I am mafia on day 2, and take a second to consider what happens if I lynch myself.

I can't shoot rayn, since he is mafia and then we would lose.

So I have to shoot someone else. Even though I promised I would shoot rayn. So essentially I am committing suicide to cast more suspicion on my scumbuddy, which is basically impossible.

I don't think you would have been lynched. You weren't even close to getting lynched, and the reason you would even suggest it (without getting close to even doing it) is so you could quick hammer us into lylo like you just did and then make this exact argument.

DarthPunk

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February 07 2014 02:39 GMT

#1471

On February 07 2014 11:37 LSB wrote:
##VOTE: LSB
#YOLOSWAG

##vote: LSB

no way you are town over cephiro.

DarthPunk

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February 07 2014 02:42 GMT

#1476

I'm town. soooo..... GG ceph I guess.

DarthPunk

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February 07 2014 02:44 GMT

#1478

On February 07 2014 11:43 Holyflare wrote:

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??????????????????????????

He put down a vote. Also you should not be posting until the mods have posted.

DarthPunk

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February 07 2014 02:45 GMT

#1480

gg's I was scum. That game was painful and weird. Good job LSB.

DarthPunk

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February 07 2014 02:48 GMT

#1488

On February 07 2014 11:45 Holyflare wrote:
you woulda won if you didn't hammer him???

Nope. Him self voting along with the rayn thing would have made him super confirmed town.

At that point all town needs to do is to not kill LSB.

Ceph would have understood that and shot me if he got lynched and If I got lynched I would have died.

I took a 50/50 shot hoping that LSB would follow marv and promes reads of me being like totes town.

Scum can't self vote at lylo and win whilst town can so self voting was a really good play.

DarthPunk

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February 07 2014 02:49 GMT

#1492

On February 07 2014 11:47 Aquanim wrote:

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yeah or he could just have lynched DP.

so not such a great play

No it was. Because it is something only town can do, I was clearly setting up LSB as the mislynch and then he basically town claimed.

So I took the 50/50

DarthPunk

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February 07 2014 02:53 GMT

#1504

On February 07 2014 11:50 LSB wrote:

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DarthPunk either was incredibly stupid since he didn't think I was confirmed town. Or he was mafia.

I couldn't think you were confirmed town or I would lose. Town wins with ONE confirmed townie lol.

Anyway I think scum played well. This seemed like an incredibly difficult setup for scum but maybe I am biased.

If artanis had actually played maybe we would have been in a better spot, but overall I think it was a close game.

GG alll !

DarthPunk

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February 07 2014 02:55 GMT

#1507

On February 07 2014 11:54 Hapahauli wrote:

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LYLO is for ballsy play, no?

Setup super town imba IMO.

DarthPunk

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February 07 2014 03:02 GMT

#1509

On February 07 2014 11:56 Hapahauli wrote:

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Town imba yes. Super town imba? No. That was a product of Rayn and Artanis getting outed too quickly.

You only need one confirmed town to win. Scum get no way to deal with good town players without suiciding. Win con is harder than normal, Scum have no initiative to make plays and totally rely on town misplaying in IML which by it's nature rarely happens with infinite time.

We mis-lynched 4 straight times and still lost because LSB could

a.) self vote when scum could not

and

b.) Was confirmed town and you only need one alive to guarantee a victory.

Maybe i'm biased, But i don't think I am and I certanily won't play this setup again.

Thanks for hosting though. :D

Scum qt:http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/8EDMN7jGwWtT

Apologies in advance to marv and prome for all the venting at your expense.

Also, prome was scum MVP cause we literally had to rely on prome shooting Artanis over Rayn or town would have won instantly cause marv would be confirmed and then all town needed to do was lynch town reads and shoot scum reads.

DarthPunk

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February 07 2014 03:04 GMT

#1511

On February 07 2014 12:03 marvellosity wrote:
"we mislynched 4 straight times" is misleading when the first two lynches were to guarantee mafia flips.

Still imba

DarthPunk

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February 07 2014 03:08 GMT

#1513

On February 07 2014 12:06 marvellosity wrote:
I mean it's basically the direct equivalent of "town lynched mafia day 1 and day 2 and mafia got their revenge shots"

suddenly seems like town is raping if you put it like that, which is actually correct ;p

I mean we sacked rayn to get a shot on you. So you didn't really catch him and artanis didn't play.

Anyway. I am happy with the 50/50 outcome cause this game was hard as scum.

DarthPunk

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February 07 2014 03:16 GMT

#1519

On February 07 2014 12:13 yamato77 wrote:

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The objective is NOT mislynching necessarily, it is to look townie enough to not get shot when a townie is lynched. None of you did that well at all.

I was a universal town read Yamato. and if you look too townie town will lynch you to shoot your scum reads (marv, Prome) That is the best way to play.

But you can't be lynched as scum, so you can't do the thing town will do and if you look scummy you get shot. Hue.

DarthPunk

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February 07 2014 03:17 GMT

#1521

On February 07 2014 12:16 marvellosity wrote:
In any game where 2/3 of the mafia team are outed on day 1, mafia are gonna have a hard time, regardless of setup.

I Mean yeah that made it harder. But the setup is still breakable in towns favor in a variety of situations.

DarthPunk

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February 07 2014 03:19 GMT

#1522

On February 07 2014 12:17 yamato77 wrote:
Anyway, this game was horrible. Everyone had a shit attitude. Scum were talking about conceding during D1. You don't get to complain about balance when you're not even trying.

Yes I do. and I did try. Artanis did not play, and rayn stopped caring.

If you say I did not try you are not reading the game. And if you can't talk about the setup objectively then there is no point discussing it anymore.

:D

DarthPunk

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February 07 2014 03:24 GMT

#1525

On February 07 2014 12:19 yamato77 wrote:

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If you think the best play is to lynch the townie looking players, you're delusional.

If those first two shots went wrong, town loses instantly.

Not at the start. But as soon as one player is confirmed town. That is exactly what you do.

You lynch people likely to be town and shoot your scum reads to deny their shot and then ride the one confirmed town to unwinnable lylo of scum.

The fact that town cannot lose in 2-1 lylo with 1 confirmed town is not balanced yamato.