On January 22 2014 08:40 thrawn2112 wrote: hi rayn
*hi-five*
hi thrawn. <3
hmm this is interesting. We got 3 named VT claims. This means either we know the setup or someone is fakeclaiming. You are not, that's for sure, i have a hard time of believing zarepath is either. Or Slam. So i am gonna die. *sigh*
Means a lot of work tomorrow.
I'm in it with you bro. Let me know what I can do to help.
First thing. Would suki be so cruel that she would straight out lie about Balla's meta to defend him? Would she? idk yet. People who were accused on D1. What do the votes on you tell? Especially considering where Balla's vote was at that point. Especially VE, bumatlarge, kush and zarepath. You know you are town or "know you are town", who did mafia try to not lynch when they voted for you or is it just irrelevant and someone voted for someone? I mean, was Balla the first mafia target during D1 or what?
Well I was wrong it appears, but my named vt is not blue. I might not be a boxer. Mine is green but I'm Chezinu.
Anyway, bum I think if I was scum I would be a lot townier, but I do play lurker games at times. If I was scum with Kush we would win. His scum game synergizes with mine incredibly well.
Next scum I would say is Kush, unless you willing to have long chat with Rayn and answer every question he comes up with?
Rayn, are you here? If you are try to paint me scum or something. I wants to defenses
On January 22 2014 12:53 Wile E. Coyote wrote: Sweet!
Well I was wrong it appears, but my named vt is not blue. I might not be a boxer. Mine is green but I'm Chezinu.
Anyway, bum I think if I was scum I would be a lot townier, but I do play lurker games at times. If I was scum with Kush we would win. His scum game synergizes with mine incredibly well.
Next scum I would say is Kush, unless you willing to have long chat with Rayn and answer every question he comes up with?
Rayn, are you here? If you are try to paint me scum or something. I wants to defenses
Well then...
I'll keep my eye on you, but I woul recommend you rea the opener again. You confused pretty much everyone that you were a blue VT, which is very different from a green one.
Oh no they don't - we could still have mysteries if they have a Godfather, but they know whether we have another power role or not. That's not as bad I guess.
One thing is for sure - no scum were bussed to protect a Godfather. If scum have a Godfather, with the two (presumably true) Named VT claims, they'd know that town doesn't have a parity cop, so there would be zero value to sacrifice a goon to protect him.
Unless keeping the setup hidden from town is of any use - can anyone think of any reason to actively do that as scum?
On January 22 2014 13:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh nevermind I'm dumb. So we still don't know for sure the setup, but scum know exactly what setup. Ugh, that's disheartening.
I think it matters a lot less now that they have no RBer. That's about the only reason mafia want to figure out the set-up, aside from playing around a doctor.
If they do not have a GF then it might be possible for either doctor or DT. That's still nice advantage. If they do, well then it's just 10v2, which is still really good.
Okay, that's all the WIFOM I can take for one night. I'll take that stuff into account when I start diving filters tonight.
Bum, by virtue of you being on the right lynch, you're not an insta-vote for me tomorrow. So there's that. If you're town, I earnestly hope we can work together and figure this shit out.
On January 22 2014 13:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, that's all the WIFOM I can take for one night. I'll take that stuff into account when I start diving filters tonight.
Bum, by virtue of you being on the right lynch, you're not an insta-vote for me tomorrow. So there's that. If you're town, I earnestly hope we can work together and figure this shit out.
On January 21 2014 05:26 kushm4sta wrote: Artanis u are wrong tho. Bad cases is how you catch good scum players
kush doesn't follow his own advice.
On January 21 2014 11:03 kushm4sta wrote: and my confidence stems entirely from the fact that he scumslipped. without the scumslip I would not be certain at all.
The only reason he votes bum.
On January 22 2014 01:09 kushm4sta wrote: going through filters and these are the ones im finding scummy Artanis[Xp] Barristanthebold bum
On January 22 2014 02:22 kushm4sta wrote: So artanis vote on rayn is because rayn wont talk to him? Lol Terrible reason. And artanis has good reasons usually. I'm pretty sure artanis is scum.
Artanis is scummy because of kush's meta read on him.. Not that solid of a case. Also no explanation of why Barristan is scummy.
On January 22 2014 02:45 kushm4sta wrote: Yo maybe we should lynch crossfire instead. Ballas case was very convincing to me
On January 22 2014 04:28 kushm4sta wrote: I would compromise on cross fire
buddy up with Balla.
So. My biggest question going through kush's filter like 5 times is, what has kush done this game? And the answer is, he's super hardcore tunneled bum for pretty much the entire game due to a 'scumslip' which is really hard to believe. The suspicious part here is that that's his entire case, and yet he pushes it even in the final minutes before the lynch.
Um. He makes shitty cases on Artanis, states Barristan is scummy without any justification.. Then decides Balla's case on crossfire is amazing and actually puts a lot of effort trying to get people to take notice of it, while defending Zarepath (which Artanis has already said is suspicious).
So. I'm thinking kush has been trying to push Balla as a townie guy with good scumhunting ability.. He asked me for my opinion of Balla and I said Balla looks townie to me, so maybe he was using that as a platform to get Balla town-cred. Something that also stands out is kush votes Balla at the beginning of the game for lack of activity, and he likes bussing so yeah.
Basically, Kush hasn't done anything but hardcore push a bad case on bum, which is based on one scumread and no other justification. He also buddied up with Balla and tried to get Balla towncred.
---- JonnyLaw
This set of quotes right in the role-claim fiasco stand out to me:
On January 22 2014 06:36 JonnyLaw wrote: What other option is there rayn? You want modkills or him breaking the rules make us change our votes?
That's fucked up and you know it. I'm town as shit but I want a fair fucking game. Is there any way you were changing your vote before the deadline without that post?
On January 22 2014 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: No townie wants anyone modkilled especially when mafia has fakeclaims and it's easy to prove and i have asked the hosts about it already.
On January 22 2014 06:37 JonnyLaw wrote: I considered not commenting on this issue at all because someone's going to use it as an excuse to call me scum later.
Fuck that. If I'm scum there zero motivation for me to say a god damned word right now. I'm actually fairly pissed. I'm taking a break this is utter trash.
Jonny is being awfully conscious of how his actions make him look scummy. Rayn doesn't even accuse Jonny of being scummy and yet Jonny's reply is 'Fuck that, if I'm scum I shouldn't be posting this. Ragequit thread'
One thing that I noticed that was really strange to me is both Balla and Jonny had each other as scummy from the very beginning of the game. Jonny seemed hell-bent on pushing Balla as scum but really I didn't think Balla's play was that different, just his lack of activity.. Even Jonny admitted it..
On January 22 2014 06:45 suki wrote: I think Balla's play fits my view of him as town so far.
Aside from the activity level I'd agree.
So.. Balla's scummy.. and yet.. the only reason he's scummy is the activity level? And then when Balla flips he's like
On January 22 2014 08:14 JonnyLaw wrote: I called that all fucking game.
all I gotta say.
Kush scum too.
I'll make the case shortly. Grabbing a beer now.
Also, why the hell does Jonny think kush is scum? He never really gives any reason but seems like he's convinced that kush and balla are teammates from the very beginning:
On January 21 2014 07:52 JonnyLaw wrote: ##unvote ##vote kushmasta
I think kush is scum. I think balla is scum. I think kush put a bus vote on balla and got an easy out when I said something. No one else will vote balla. Lynch kush.
Mm..
Anyways, after finishing this analysis I'm pretty sure of this. Jonny and Balla started attacking each other from the start but their antagonism towards each other makes no sense to me. Kush has been playing shit and buddying up with Balla for a stupid case on Crossfire.
I said multiple times I'll lynch balla over anyone else. I like lynching kush as well and town follows rayn.
Please at least make an effort. Read Balla's filter. Half of it is him bull shitting around with kush.
Balla kept getting personally angry when I asked him questions rather than trying to scum hunt which is the activity I'm referring to. A normal balla town game he would ignore me, call me scum or make a case worth talking about. In this game he just told me to stop calling him out just because he's busy.
Are you kidding me right now? I thought we're in a situation where we have a modkill where my main lynch target fucked up the game. How am I supposed to be happy about this situation? You said the exact same thing.
And also, of course I'm looking at if my actions make me look scummy. I don't want to be lynched. How do we win games lynching town players?
You know who called kush and balla scum and voted them this game? Yeah, this fucking guy. While you obsessed about bum, called my reads shit and did nothing else I voted for every target you did well BEFORE you.
Don't even start. I'm as town as this game can ask for.
You were fucking voting me less than an hour before deadline, and i weakly hopped on the balla wagon with "Shit customers." and threw my vote down. Now you don't even mention me? What gives?
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