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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 21 2014 22:48 GMT
#1001
artanis. unvote kush and vote balla
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 21 2014 22:48 GMT
#1002
##unvote
##vote balla

mm i love it when you have to vote for a townread.
dudes logic is so sick.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 21 2014 22:49 GMT
#1003
This game hurts my brain so much
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
January 21 2014 22:49 GMT
#1004
Yay, what I wanted for a while. I think those two are scum together though. Half of balla's filter is interacting with kush.

##unvote
##vote balla24
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 21 2014 22:49 GMT
#1005
On January 22 2014 07:48 thrawn2112 wrote:
artanis. unvote kush and vote balla

Why? I haven't gone through his filter yet but Kush is scummy as fuck. You still didn't explain why you unvoted him.
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 21 2014 22:50 GMT
#1006
you still havent explained why you havent unvoted him
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
January 21 2014 22:51 GMT
#1007
Vote Count!

Kushm4sta (3) - Suki, Thrawn2112, thrawn2112, Wile E. Coyote, Rayn, JonnyLaw, Artanis, Rayn, Bumatlarge, Thrawn, JonnyLaw, suki

Suki (0) - Kushm4sta

Thrawn (0) - Rayn

VisceraEyes (0) - JonnyLaw, Suki, Bumatlarge, Zarepath

Wile E. Coyote (0) - Rayn, VisceraEyes

Bumatlarge (2) - Rayn, VisceraEyes, kushm4sta, VisceraEyes, Zarepath, Suki

Balla24 (5) - kushm4sta, JonnyLaw, VisceraEyes Rayn, Crossfire99, Kush, Thrawn, JonnyLaw

Raynpelikoneet (0) - Artanis[Xp]

Zarepath (1) - BarristanTheBold, Suki, Rayn, JonnyLaw, Balla24, Artanis[Xp], Bumatlarge, Suki

Crossfire99 (2) - Rayn, Zarepath, Wile E. Coyote, Balla24

BarristanTheBold (0) - Suki



Not Voting (1) - BarristanTheBold,

Currently Balla24 is set to be lynched. The deadline is Tuesday, Jan 21 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) there are remaining in day one.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 21 2014 22:51 GMT
#1008
On January 22 2014 07:50 thrawn2112 wrote:
you still havent explained why you havent unvoted him

Except I've been perfectly clear.
On January 22 2014 07:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2014 07:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##unvote
sadly it makes the most sense. i still don't know who to lynch.

We don't know what kind of PM's scum get. I can easily imagine they get a similar kind of PM. It's not even relevant for why Kush is scum. He followed thread sentiment other than Zare which he magically had a mysterious townread on when the rest of town thought he was scum. It doesn't add up.

Why is Kush not scum to you?
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 21 2014 22:51 GMT
#1009
kush why is balla town
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 21 2014 22:52 GMT
#1010
his point on cross fire was pretty amazing it hoguht
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 21 2014 22:52 GMT
#1011
##unvote
##vote Balla24
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 21 2014 22:53 GMT
#1012
On January 21 2014 17:09 Balla24 wrote:
I don't like Crossfire at all.

His case on Rayn is super weird, where exactly does what rayn does make him scum? He's pressuring a lot of people with cases and votes. Crossfire is calling him scum for not committing to them and switching targets a lot but how does that make rayn scum?? It doesn't. It makes him town. From town perspective everybody starts as neutral and either gets a mafia read or a town read... its the opposite as scum.

Rayn builds cases on people he thinks are scum, and posts reasoning too, yet Crossfire just latches onto the action itself and NOT the reasoning of rayn's cases. Rayn is one of the most active people in this game, why does Crossfire feel the need to pressure rayn about something so weak?

Then there's this:

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 11:06 Crossfire99 wrote:
On January 20 2014 10:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
On January 20 2014 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Nobody should claim at this point. Named VT's (boxers) do not help us in any way now because there is a possibility of 0-3 boxers and claiming does not clear anyone, it only gives mafia information about the setup unless we want all people to claim which we don't.

suki, kushmasta does not usually even read his own role PM properly (which is proven by last game for example) so unfortunately that plan does not make him non VT / non named VT and certainly not mafia.

Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.

Here is the problem:
If the named VT's claim it gives mafia info about the setup.
  • If there are no named VT's -> mafia knows the setup and can WIFOM by fakeclaiming VT and it's impossible to prove if itäs true or not
  • If there is 1 naved VT -> If mafia has a GF they know the setup, if not, they know town has no more than 1 power role.
  • If there are 2 named VT's -> mafia knows there is only max 1 power role.
  • If there are 3 named VT's -> mafia knows there is no other power roles. they can WIFOM a roleblock on people and it "confirms" that's not the setup, so WIFOM.


Every single possible scenario only helps mafai and not town, so no, don't claim named VT's because they can't be confirmed and it only helps mafia if they know how many Named VT's there are.

Discussion closed.

I don't think it's quite that simple.

I don't care if there are no named VTs or 1 or 2 or 3. Yes scum will be learn things about the setup, but honestly that doesn't matter because scum already know that there are X to Y power roles from their configuration. What claiming now does is prevent scum from being able to fake claim a named VT later. It prevents stupid things happening at lynches. Additionally, if we have power roles it gives them info about where they should begin using their powers. Even if scum decide to fake claim now, it's not like we're giving the named VTs a free pass, we're just treating them like miller claims where the info helps us and prevents scum from claiming something like that (e.g. miller) in the future.

That's all. It all depends if you think it matters if scum knowing the setup is a bad thing or if the claims could even help our power roles. I'll let other people chime in on this.

Ok. Back to this crazy Niners-Seahawks game.


Where rayn points out why claiming Boxers is a bad thing for town and a good thing for mafia. He essentially brushes that off by saying "mafia already knows information about the setup" without really explaining what. Rayn gives him the courtesy to write out his expected outcomes from the plan but Crossfire does not reciprocate.

##vote Crossfire99

OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 21 2014 22:53 GMT
#1013
the entire case is based on balla calling rayn town
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
BarristanTheBold
Profile Joined February 2013
Angola89 Posts
January 21 2014 22:54 GMT
#1014
On January 22 2014 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
BarristanTheBold what did bum try to do at the start of the game in your opinion?

Besides make a shaky case on VE? Not a lot. When I say he tried to lead town, I mean he actively ran for mayor and shit, constantly touted how town he was, etc.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 21 2014 22:55 GMT
#1015
No kush, it really isn't. There is no reason not to pressure your scumread regardless of how much they have posted.
Also Xfire was right in the setup thingy, i was wrong, i don't know if Balla even read it properly, anyways he was not right so that's at best a null-tell.
table for two on a tv tray
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 21 2014 22:55 GMT
#1016
I'm okay with a Balla lynch too, but still prefer a Kush lynch. Just scrolled through his filter and he hasn't done anything. I remember him doing great in his latest newbie game and he hasn't really done anything here. Inactivity can have multiple reasons though. I much prefer Kush because he's actually been here a lot and still has a shit filter.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 21 2014 22:55 GMT
#1017
On January 22 2014 02:31 Balla24 wrote:
Past 2 days have been busier than normal. Can't refresh and spam conversations with people like I normally do which is unfortunate. It's looking a lot better moving forward though.

As far as Crossfire: His case against rayn is bad and really construed, its very large but the only thing he is attacking is the fact that rayn has jumped around a lot. Like it doesn't make sense to put that much effort into that first off, and secondly why does he feel the need to pressure rayn of all people who is active as hell and will be more readable because of it. It just feels very wrong. The second bit about the Boxers claiming thing is obvious that there is scum motivation for discussing it and getting the town onboard. So him brushing off what was said is super suspicious.

Other people who look bad: Jonnylaw, Artanis. Artanis's game plan is really weird and underwhelming to me. He comes in trying to hard read rayn, accuses him of being scum and then leaves. Not only did he only accuse you of being scum because he thinks you have "something to hide" but you had done so much already and now that there was more.


THis is the post.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
January 21 2014 22:56 GMT
#1018
i don't see it?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
January 21 2014 22:57 GMT
#1019
crossfire is attacking rayn for somethign stupid and making a huge case of it for no reason
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
BarristanTheBold
Profile Joined February 2013
Angola89 Posts
January 21 2014 22:57 GMT
#1020
Shit customers.

##vote: balla24
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