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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 22 2014 04:39 GMT
#1067
Oh nevermind I'm dumb. So we still don't know for sure the setup, but scum know exactly what setup. Ugh, that's disheartening.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 22 2014 04:40 GMT
#1068
Oh no they don't - we could still have mysteries if they have a Godfather, but they know whether we have another power role or not. That's not as bad I guess.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 22 2014 04:44 GMT
#1069
One thing is for sure - no scum were bussed to protect a Godfather. If scum have a Godfather, with the two (presumably true) Named VT claims, they'd know that town doesn't have a parity cop, so there would be zero value to sacrifice a goon to protect him.

Unless keeping the setup hidden from town is of any use - can anyone think of any reason to actively do that as scum?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 22 2014 04:48 GMT
#1071
Oh it wasn't a goon. HRRMMMZZZZ.

Yeah, that pretty much rules out bussing at all. Unless....scum DO have a Godfather, and they bussed the Roleblocker because they know he's useless.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 22 2014 04:51 GMT
#1072
Okay, that's all the WIFOM I can take for one night. I'll take that stuff into account when I start diving filters tonight.

Bum, by virtue of you being on the right lynch, you're not an insta-vote for me tomorrow. So there's that. If you're town, I earnestly hope we can work together and figure this shit out.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 22 2014 04:51 GMT
#1073
That last "tonight" should be tomorrow - I'm going to bed. I'll catch you guys lata.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 22 2014 05:50 GMT
#1076
omg you weren't. It's gonna be a long day tomorrow if we both still alive mang. <3
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 22 2014 17:30 GMT
#1143
Jonny might very well be scum.

When I initially noticed Balla and voted for him Jonny had just unvoted and voted for Kush, citing "we can't get Jonny lynched anyway, so lynch Kush I think they both scum"

On January 21 2014 07:52 JonnyLaw wrote:
##unvote
##vote kushmasta


I think kush is scum. I think balla is scum. I think kush put a bus vote on balla and got an easy out when I said something. No one else will vote balla. Lynch kush.


So why is it that once people start LOOKING AT balla, suddenly Jonny is more interested in lynching Kush?
On January 22 2014 03:01 JonnyLaw wrote:
Balla I still think you're scum.

You post essentially nothing this game. Then you pop back into the thread and pick a convenient lurker to lynch. You're not making an effort to solve this game.

How is sheeping rayn by saying he's here to move the game forward any type of acceptable play? In the last game you kept commenting oh how you play too nicely and trying to FIND SCUM while I randomly harassed people into talking.

you ask questions, but pose them doubtfully like you're not sure and don't care if they're answered. Your play this game is completely scummy. in 40 hours all you've managed to conclude is that rayn (nine pages of filter) is town and you can sheep him safely while crossfire (one page of filter) looks bad so you can post something without fear of him coming back at you with a defense.


It certainly seems like he still "thinks Balla is scum", so why not vote? Maybe his next vote will be on Balla....

On January 22 2014 03:56 JonnyLaw wrote:
##unvote
[b]##vote zarepath[b]

Yeah, your last post sealed it for me. Your explanation for bum being scummy is that he took his vote off VE when no one would follow his lead. You took your vote off VE when you thought it was an easy thing to do. They're not obviously different at all.


Show nested quote +
On January 22 2014 01:22 zarepath wrote:
I could join a bum scum wagon for his rationale of ending his VE assault, notably because of this:

On January 21 2014 11:46 bumatlarge wrote:
VisceraEyes. Read below. If you do not answer sufficiently, I cannot, as a town-aligned player, ever take my vote off you.


Followed by this:

On January 21 2014 14:18 bumatlarge wrote:
##unvote

You win. I'm not going to pursue this charade if no one else finds it worth while.


If he did not ACTUALLY think he would never take his vote off without VE satisfactorily answering his questions (which is the case, as evidenced by him taking his vote off of him), what was the purpose of stating it in such a dramatic way? I'm thinking for appearance, which is actually backed up by the second quote, where he shares his rationale for dropping the vote, which is purely because of what everyone else thinks.

The ideal townie would pursue his read no matter what, but a non-ideal townie isn't necessarily scum. What shouts scummy to me is the transparent motivation of focusing on how everyone else perceives his arguments, and not on his arguments themselves.


He tried to back up his case for two days and it gained no traction. You abandoned yours after two fucking minutes when VE said lynch me if I'm scum. You literally have one post saying I made a case and that's it. After that it's like total 180 and you jump on the same person VE has his vote on.



Nope...it's on Zarepath. So him saying he's thought Balla was scum like all D1 is pretty meaningless, because when Balla was being discussed, there was never any "Hey yeah! I like that guy for scum too!" or a vote or anything. In fact, when the votes started dropping, Jonny was on the other guy.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 22 2014 17:36 GMT
#1144
On January 22 2014 23:41 suki wrote:
You know what. Fine.

I'm sorry I tried to play the game. I'm just horrible at mafia and should just go away forever.

Don't do this bbygrl. It's a scum conspiracy to stop you from posting. Fight the power.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 22 2014 17:43 GMT
#1147
On January 23 2014 02:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
VE who else than Jonny? Do you believe in "kush is mafia" theory?

I could be convinced maybe, but I'm thinking Bum is more likely.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 22 2014 17:44 GMT
#1148
His spoilered post to me came at a time when I had JUST voted for Balla remember. I voted Balla, I think Barri did or someone...anyway, a wagon was brewing on Balla, and suddenly Bum comes in with a long spoiler post directed specifically at me? I mean, coincidences happen, but Bum opted to do NOTHING ELSE with the game except perpetuate his fail-tunnel.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 22 2014 17:50 GMT
#1150
You and I should both do last-will posts in case we bite it tonight, and the header should probably read

Lynch no one but Bumatlarge tomorrow.

You know, just in case.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 22 2014 17:51 GMT
#1151
Actually Jonny more likely I think. Bum can wait. Make him watch as we decimate all of his friends. Bring the kids!
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 22 2014 18:26 GMT
#1162
You should Ctrl-F Balla while reading Bum's filter.

The LAST thing he says D1 is "I don't want to lynch Balla, I coached him "

This is weird because
1) He has insight into this player, yet he hasn't chosen to share anything about this player - who is now flipped scum.
2) Balla is mentioned maybe 3 times in the entirety of Bum's filter. Go see how many times I'm mentioned.
3) Bum was not on the Balla wagon
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 22 2014 18:43 GMT
#1166
On January 21 2014 02:20 bumatlarge wrote:
Sure balla

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 20 2014 18:29 bumatlarge wrote:
On January 20 2014 13:02 suki wrote:
On January 20 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block?

On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.

On January 20 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch.


So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter?

On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.

Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.


Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy.

And I just hate the bolded red line in general.

##unvote
##vote VisceraEyes


The scum hunt is strong with this one. I'd like VE to explain his thought process on the first part, he seems to be changing his mind mid post, then it would make more sense as town.

Scum hunting is not strong with that one. The first part is entirely false and that's all he's talking about.


In no way is it "entirely false". Suki points out multiple lapses in VE's thought process. You can change your mind, but throwing phrases out like, "that's dumb" or "I'm indifferent" are strong blanket statements to lay down. Clearly VE is either rapidly changing his mind throughout his posts, giving us no indication of where it's going, or he is not thinking his posts through, which he shouldn't be doing as town. I say point out that VE is capable of doing this as town.

Show nested quote +
On January 20 2014 18:33 bumatlarge wrote:
On January 20 2014 17:48 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote Wile E
His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad.

This is a logical reaction.

I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town.

Again implying the claim is true, and now he is not really suspicious of VE in the end.


Anytime you use the word "imply", it means you are trying to read into something deeper into the post. I do mean I believed Wile, but it was because I thought VE was scummy, and I was appealing to Wile to look at it from his viewpoint if he were town.

Now, if you fail to see that I'm "implying" that I have a scum read on VE here, you wouldn't assume I was suspicious of him in the first place. Rayn did read into it that I thought VE is scum, but rather chooses to view it that I'm tripping over my own reads, which is clearly not what I'm saying, and Rayn knows this.

"I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town"

Interpretation is key. I clearly mean "I think VE is scum, and the only thing making me reconsider is if he actually posts like this as town." I have played quite a few games with VE, but they were a while ago. All in all, I think Rayn misconstrued what I said here, an possibly purposefully. Townies do do this with analysis, because they want to be right, especially if an ego is present, and interpretation is where alot of analyses hit speed bumps. I do think Rayn is scum here though.

Hey, I don't care if you're the goddamn Batman. And you DO interact with Balla...and at a really strange time and for a really strange reason. The post seems contrived, and it looks like you deliberately mention Balla for some reason.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 22 2014 18:44 GMT
#1167
Hey - it's not your fault. You didn't expect ALL THREE posts to be taken completely out of context.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 22 2014 18:51 GMT
#1170
On January 23 2014 03:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2014 02:20 bumatlarge wrote:
Sure balla

On January 20 2014 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 20 2014 18:29 bumatlarge wrote:
On January 20 2014 13:02 suki wrote:
On January 20 2014 09:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's dumb because of what rayn said - you're literally saying "Anyone who claims blue is immune to the lynch". Literally. What is stopping scum from just claiming blue whenever they're on the block?

On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.

On January 20 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
2 is pretty potent in my opinion. If you don't believe me, take a look at Kush's plan. He wants to make blues IMMUNE to the lynch.


So is kush's plan dumb? Or do you think it could help us in the future and there's a reason that's pretty potent? Or are you just indifferent to the whole matter?

On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.

Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.


Inconsistent views on kush's plan (he think's it's dumb / sees arguments for it / is mostly indifferent). Wishy-washy.

And I just hate the bolded red line in general.

##unvote
##vote VisceraEyes


The scum hunt is strong with this one. I'd like VE to explain his thought process on the first part, he seems to be changing his mind mid post, then it would make more sense as town.

Scum hunting is not strong with that one. The first part is entirely false and that's all he's talking about.


In no way is it "entirely false". Suki points out multiple lapses in VE's thought process. You can change your mind, but throwing phrases out like, "that's dumb" or "I'm indifferent" are strong blanket statements to lay down. Clearly VE is either rapidly changing his mind throughout his posts, giving us no indication of where it's going, or he is not thinking his posts through, which he shouldn't be doing as town. I say point out that VE is capable of doing this as town.

On January 20 2014 18:33 bumatlarge wrote:
On January 20 2014 17:48 Wile E. Coyote wrote:
On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote Wile E
His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad.

This is a logical reaction.

I disagree, the only reason you think it's reasonable is because he is holding back because he probably wrong about you. I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town.

Again implying the claim is true, and now he is not really suspicious of VE in the end.


Anytime you use the word "imply", it means you are trying to read into something deeper into the post. I do mean I believed Wile, but it was because I thought VE was scummy, and I was appealing to Wile to look at it from his viewpoint if he were town.

Now, if you fail to see that I'm "implying" that I have a scum read on VE here, you wouldn't assume I was suspicious of him in the first place. Rayn did read into it that I thought VE is scum, but rather chooses to view it that I'm tripping over my own reads, which is clearly not what I'm saying, and Rayn knows this.

"I'm just working out what I can remember from VE if he posts like this as town"

Interpretation is key. I clearly mean "I think VE is scum, and the only thing making me reconsider is if he actually posts like this as town." I have played quite a few games with VE, but they were a while ago. All in all, I think Rayn misconstrued what I said here, an possibly purposefully. Townies do do this with analysis, because they want to be right, especially if an ego is present, and interpretation is where alot of analyses hit speed bumps. I do think Rayn is scum here though.

Hey, I don't care if you're the goddamn Batman. And you DO interact with Balla...and at a really strange time and for a really strange reason. The post seems contrived, and it looks like you deliberately mention Balla for some reason.

if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 22 2014 18:53 GMT
#1172
On January 23 2014 03:50 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 02:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
His spoilered post to me came at a time when I had JUST voted for Balla remember. I voted Balla, I think Barri did or someone...anyway, a wagon was brewing on Balla, and suddenly Bum comes in with a long spoiler post directed specifically at me? I mean, coincidences happen, but Bum opted to do NOTHING ELSE with the game except perpetuate his fail-tunnel.


This is so obnoxious, I can't believe you are still doing this. I let you slide because of stupid meta reasons, and you still want to bring up baseless arguments. New material (balla interaction) is fine, and reevaluating older things is even better. But rehashing this stuff does make me mad, and I actually don't want to repeat day 1.

Post a case, I'll defend as best I can, and if don't do it well, I get lynched then oh well.

You realize you are using the fact that I spoilered an analysis. You realize that is a considerate thing to do, no?

But it wasn't an analysis, it was a fluffy, rhetoric-ridden pack of nonsense with two questions. Two questions I answered, and you said that I didn't.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 22 2014 18:55 GMT
#1173
Analysis comes with a conclusion - the whole point of that spoiler was that you HAD no conclusion. You weren't analyzing anything. At best you were looking for more information to COME to a conclusion, BUT you ignored the answers to your questions so it becomes what I say it was - a rhetoric-ridden pack of nonsense. Thank you for spoilering that, it does keep the thread tidy, but it doesn't make you town.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
January 22 2014 18:57 GMT
#1175
Like, it appears that the interaction was planned - that you said "Hey balla, go ask me about this. It's believable because I'm ur coach lolol"
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