On January 23 2014 02:32 VayneAuthority wrote:
the only other scum team that makes sense to me atm would be oats/skanjab/sn0. so if you want to convince me of that go for it.

omg, srsly?
rofl

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 22 2014 17:38 GMT

#2182

That is a scumteam that makes literally the least sense in this game.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

January 22 2014 17:40 GMT

#2183

On January 23 2014 02:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That is a scumteam that makes literally the least sense in this game.

Which is why I don't trust you and cephiro, so you would have quite your work cut out for you. It is possible they have been doing bus strategy for a while though and I have reasons to believe why.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 22 2014 17:43 GMT

#2184

Why not Koshi/Sn0/X?
Sno doesn't want to lynch Koshi and vice versa?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 22 2014 17:44 GMT

#2185

Or Koshi/Oats/X?

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 22 2014 17:45 GMT

#2186

I don't understand how you can possibly think Koshi is possibly not mafia.
All he has done is yell Mig is scum. At the end of N2 he says "okay i have no reads". His top scumread dies and suddenly he knows all the scum instantly. Does that make sense to you? Then he votes for the dude who is in his opinion scum only by association. Does that make sense to you?

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

January 22 2014 17:47 GMT

#2187

what are these "X"? Can't associate anything without a full team. If we are doing Koshi teams then it would be Koshi/Sn0...? but who is the third in these teams? there's no good fit unless oats has been bussing with sn0 but there interactions look much more real then the sn0/skanjab interactions. which is why i think their bussing is more likely.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

January 22 2014 17:48 GMT

#2188

On January 23 2014 02:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand how you can possibly think Koshi is possibly not mafia.
All he has done is yell Mig is scum. At the end of N2 he says "okay i have no reads". His top scumread dies and suddenly he knows all the scum instantly. Does that make sense to you? Then he votes for the dude who is in his opinion scum only by association. Does that make sense to you?

I am not opposed to anything if we are going to have reasonable discussion. Koshi was one of my scumreads earlier in the game but I dropped it because other people were being scummier.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 22 2014 17:50 GMT

#2189

Okay let's have a discussion then.

What do you think? Look at my case here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440800&currentpage=103#2057
Also Koshi tells people to look at night kills. Apparently he only looked at Mig's reads. Mig was his top scumread, how can he instantly assume Mig has "the best reads ever" as before flip he assumed the dude was scum (so obviously he should be having bad reads). It makes zero sense and feels pre-thought.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

January 22 2014 17:54 GMT

#2190

there is nothing there to argue, he has terrible reasons for voting Cephiro because sn0 was not the highest number on my list, he was tied with skanjab so it was not a sure thing. But this whole case assumes that I am scum so I don't know how you expect me to believe that.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 22 2014 17:55 GMT

#2191

On January 23 2014 02:47 VayneAuthority wrote:
what are these "X"? Can't associate anything without a full team. If we are doing Koshi teams then it would be Koshi/Sn0...? but who is the third in these teams? there's no good fit unless oats has been bussing with sn0 but there interactions look much more real then the sn0/skanjab interactions. which is why i think their bussing is more likely.

It could be Koshi/Oats/Skan if you are town.
Sn0 feels like a mislynch as me, Hopeless & Cephiro are the only people opposing the lynch. I really do not think Sn0 is mafia because of the people attacking him on LYLO. Noone has really wanted to lynch him before this. Oats only started playing now, when the game is nearly over. wtf is that? That's fucking crap. Skanjabs has put no effort into anything but "don't lynch Toad". I don't even remember who he wanted to lynch on D2 so it must not be a big push, as i have a good memory.

It's equally likely mafia hit Mig because they wanna mislynch Sn0 than that Sn0 is mafia, so i consider that a null-tell.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

January 22 2014 17:56 GMT

#2192

For some reason I went from scummy because not night killed to scummy by association with koshi and etc. people just piling on more bullshit as the thread continues. it's a joke and just as bad as making the unflipped assocations koshi is making so that is not a good tell when the case itself relies on such bullshit.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 22 2014 17:56 GMT

#2193

On January 23 2014 02:54 VayneAuthority wrote:
there is nothing there to argue, he has terrible reasons for voting Cephiro because sn0 was not the highest number on my list, he was tied with skanjab so it was not a sure thing. But this whole case assumes that I am scum so I don't know how you expect me to believe that.

No the case says:
"Koshi does not know which one of Vayne/Sn0 is mafia, but Koshi assumes Vayne is town and Sn0 is mafia and therefore wants to lynch Cephiro - which is bullshit".

I even said later on it's possible Sn0 and Koshi are both mafia and that's WHY Koshi wants to lynch Cephiro and not Sn0.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 22 2014 17:58 GMT

#2194

I am not calling you mafia because of any fucking "did not die" or "association" bullshit.
Why are you saying so Vayne?

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

January 22 2014 17:59 GMT

#2195

On January 23 2014 02:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Show nested quote +

Yup it is a good case for sn0/koshi being mafia together, like I said his reasons for voting cephiro are bad. I actually have good reasons to believe that you/cephiro are a scumteam because I don't understand your actions as a unit either.

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

January 22 2014 18:00 GMT

#2196

On January 23 2014 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am not calling you mafia because of any fucking "did not die" or "association" bullshit.
Why are you saying so Vayne?

Cephiro is, and you believe cephiro. so by proxy....surprise! you believe that bullshit!

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

January 22 2014 18:02 GMT

#2197

unless you are saying you think cephiro is town for being a retard but don't agree with his theories. Then that makes sense and I apologize.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

January 22 2014 18:06 GMT

#2198

On January 23 2014 02:56 VayneAuthority wrote:
For some reason I went from scummy because not night killed to scummy by association with koshi and etc. people just piling on more bullshit as the thread continues. it's a joke and just as bad as making the unflipped assocations koshi is making so that is not a good tell when the case itself relies on such bullshit.

You are one of the people who keep coming up with bullshit impossible scumteams that "just so happen" to include me. Its pretty goddamn obvious at this point that the scumteam's plan is to push me as the last mislynch, and probably has been for a while.

At this point it's pretty clear to me that scum is 3/4 of (Vayne/Oats/Koshi/Skanjab) because Rayn's right, Ceph did that same bullshit in hogwarts and other games as town, and it makes NO SENSE AS SCUM. Rayn is just town, and TBH right now I can't see hopeless playing like that as scum anymore.

Still, I don't think ur right rayn. I think its Skan/Oats +1.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43270 Posts

January 22 2014 18:07 GMT

#2199

Umm i don't believe you are mafia because Cephiro says so.. I don't think Cephiro is necessarily right in saying you are mafia, but i understand how he has reached to the conclusion. That does not make him right.

Right now i am only confident in my Koshi read and i really want all of Oats/Skan/Sno/you to contribute. You are doing so atm, so it's cool.
- Oats never says anything relevant on fucking anything said in the game.
- Skan is just being meh.. like "what's the case on this guy?", then says nothing..
- Sn0 just rages to everyone who accuses him and then leaves the thread, sadly that's exactly what always gets him lynched as town so i am trying to be reasonable with him.. not sure how long until i just decide he is mafia.