On January 07 2014 09:28 iamperfection wrote: Its quiet in here. To quiet.
Perhaps a lynch of Cora for the lawls. Agree disagree? Gogogo
I don't think antagonizing him further is a good idea when he's actually trying to improve himself.
What better way to improve then with a huge spotlight?!!!
A calm quiet atmosphere of peace and prosperity, where there is ample food for everyone and we live joyful, fulfilling lives.
It seems like your more willing for everyone to hold hands and sing songs rather than catch mafia? You scum?
I'm just a man that enjoys peace and prosperity. Why would you infer such a person being scum rather than benevolent? Is this what the world is turning into?
On January 07 2014 09:28 iamperfection wrote: Its quiet in here. To quiet.
Perhaps a lynch of Cora for the lawls. Agree disagree? Gogogo
I don't think antagonizing him further is a good idea when he's actually trying to improve himself.
What better way to improve then with a huge spotlight?!!!
A calm quiet atmosphere of peace and prosperity, where there is ample food for everyone and we live joyful, fulfilling lives.
It seems like your more willing for everyone to hold hands and sing songs rather than catch mafia? You scum?
I'm just a man that enjoys peace and prosperity. Why would you infer such a person being scum rather than benevolent? Is this what the world is turning into?
So how do you catch scum? If all you purpose is peace?
Unfortunately to get peace sometimes we must purge the lands of those who seek to disrupt that peace and manipulate it. I wish it weren't necessary.
On January 07 2014 09:28 iamperfection wrote: Its quiet in here. To quiet.
Perhaps a lynch of Cora for the lawls. Agree disagree? Gogogo
I don't think antagonizing him further is a good idea when he's actually trying to improve himself.
What better way to improve then with a huge spotlight?!!!
A calm quiet atmosphere of peace and prosperity, where there is ample food for everyone and we live joyful, fulfilling lives.
It seems like your more willing for everyone to hold hands and sing songs rather than catch mafia? You scum?
I'm just a man that enjoys peace and prosperity. Why would you infer such a person being scum rather than benevolent? Is this what the world is turning into?
So how do you catch scum? If all you purpose is peace?
Unfortunately to get peace sometimes we must purge the lands of those who seek to disrupt that peace and manipulate it. I wish it weren't necessary.
On January 07 2014 09:28 iamperfection wrote: Its quiet in here. To quiet.
Perhaps a lynch of Cora for the lawls. Agree disagree? Gogogo
I don't think antagonizing him further is a good idea when he's actually trying to improve himself.
What better way to improve then with a huge spotlight?!!!
A calm quiet atmosphere of peace and prosperity, where there is ample food for everyone and we live joyful, fulfilling lives.
It seems like your more willing for everyone to hold hands and sing songs rather than catch mafia? You scum?
I'm just a man that enjoys peace and prosperity. Why would you infer such a person being scum rather than benevolent? Is this what the world is turning into?
So how do you catch scum? If all you purpose is peace?
Unfortunately to get peace sometimes we must purge the lands of those who seek to disrupt that peace and manipulate it. I wish it weren't necessary.
This is a scumslip. Artanis realizes that purging the land of mafia is necessary, but wishes that he didn't have to. He is mafia and doesn't want to hurt his mafia brethren. If Artanis were truly peace-loving then he would be more than happy to rid the land of evil forces.
For the town, lynch Artanis.
Any violence is unfortunate, regardless of if the reasons are just. I wish those who seek to destroy our lands would instead build towards a greater future where we may all live in prosperity. It is unfortunate that this is not the case.
On January 07 2014 09:28 iamperfection wrote: Its quiet in here. To quiet.
Perhaps a lynch of Cora for the lawls. Agree disagree? Gogogo
I don't think antagonizing him further is a good idea when he's actually trying to improve himself.
What better way to improve then with a huge spotlight?!!!
A calm quiet atmosphere of peace and prosperity, where there is ample food for everyone and we live joyful, fulfilling lives.
It seems like your more willing for everyone to hold hands and sing songs rather than catch mafia? You scum?
I'm just a man that enjoys peace and prosperity. Why would you infer such a person being scum rather than benevolent? Is this what the world is turning into?
So how do you catch scum? If all you purpose is peace?
Unfortunately to get peace sometimes we must purge the lands of those who seek to disrupt that peace and manipulate it. I wish it weren't necessary.
This is a scumslip. Artanis realizes that purging the land of mafia is necessary, but wishes that he didn't have to. He is mafia and doesn't want to hurt his mafia brethren. If Artanis were truly peace-loving then he would be more than happy to rid the land of evil forces.
For the town, lynch Artanis.
I will say its actually interesting that Artanis felt the need to compromise his views his views in the slightest... Ive played voice games with him recently were he claimed jester as town in a jesterless setup.... and held his ground the whole game XD. Even though his switching up a rather trollish opinion in a rather trollish way, the fact that hes switching it at all is an unnerving thing for a secure Artanis to do ) :
If you look at my game history I usually get serious when I get accused in forum mafia. I just take voice mafia a lot less seriously. It's just seeping into my game now because it's too much fun.
On January 07 2014 09:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote: [quote] I don't think antagonizing him further is a good idea when he's actually trying to improve himself.
What better way to improve then with a huge spotlight?!!!
A calm quiet atmosphere of peace and prosperity, where there is ample food for everyone and we live joyful, fulfilling lives.
It seems like your more willing for everyone to hold hands and sing songs rather than catch mafia? You scum?
I'm just a man that enjoys peace and prosperity. Why would you infer such a person being scum rather than benevolent? Is this what the world is turning into?
So how do you catch scum? If all you purpose is peace?
Unfortunately to get peace sometimes we must purge the lands of those who seek to disrupt that peace and manipulate it. I wish it weren't necessary.
This is a scumslip. Artanis realizes that purging the land of mafia is necessary, but wishes that he didn't have to. He is mafia and doesn't want to hurt his mafia brethren. If Artanis were truly peace-loving then he would be more than happy to rid the land of evil forces.
For the town, lynch Artanis.
Any violence is unfortunate, regardless of if the reasons are just. I wish those who seek to destroy our lands would instead build towards a greater future where we may all live in prosperity. It is unfortunate that this is not the case.
On January 07 2014 09:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote: [quote] A calm quiet atmosphere of peace and prosperity, where there is ample food for everyone and we live joyful, fulfilling lives.
It seems like your more willing for everyone to hold hands and sing songs rather than catch mafia? You scum?
I'm just a man that enjoys peace and prosperity. Why would you infer such a person being scum rather than benevolent? Is this what the world is turning into?
So how do you catch scum? If all you purpose is peace?
Unfortunately to get peace sometimes we must purge the lands of those who seek to disrupt that peace and manipulate it. I wish it weren't necessary.
This is a scumslip. Artanis realizes that purging the land of mafia is necessary, but wishes that he didn't have to. He is mafia and doesn't want to hurt his mafia brethren. If Artanis were truly peace-loving then he would be more than happy to rid the land of evil forces.
For the town, lynch Artanis.
Any violence is unfortunate, regardless of if the reasons are just. I wish those who seek to destroy our lands would instead build towards a greater future where we may all live in prosperity. It is unfortunate that this is not the case.
Gum, do you feel I'm the scummiest person so far or is there someone that jumped on the heat you find more suspicious because of it? I can't really tell from your post.
On January 07 2014 10:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Artanis, how do you feel about Gumshoe begging to survive the early game? I have my own opinion on it, want to see if you came up with the same conclusion I have.
I see a myriad of potential reasons. I've played a bunch with Gumshoe on voice and he tends to be loud there. He's been lynched there a bunch of times on D1 so I can imagine him saying this regardless of alignment. I struggle to find a reason that makes me lean on him to one alignment or the other regarding this specific post.
On January 07 2014 10:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Gum, do you feel I'm the scummiest person so far or is there someone that jumped on the heat you find more suspicious because of it? I can't really tell from your post.
I found what you did curios, not scummy, cheesecakes jump on you though isn't as simple, cause it happened through me which leads me to believe he cared more about how I responded to the question then how you play in voice. Which isn't alignment indicative, it just means he's started playing the game. Right now I think there are focus points in the thread, but no actual indications of scum intent, something that is sure to change so long as we keep talking ( :
So basically you wrote 4 sentences about something you said you thought was curious, then another four sentences on why it isn't alignment indicative. You gain scumpointsᵀᴹ!
On January 07 2014 10:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Artanis, how do you feel about Gumshoe begging to survive the early game? I have my own opinion on it, want to see if you came up with the same conclusion I have.
I see a myriad of potential reasons. I've played a bunch with Gumshoe on voice and he tends to be loud there. He's been lynched there a bunch of times on D1 so I can imagine him saying this regardless of alignment. I struggle to find a reason that makes me lean on him to one alignment or the other regarding this specific post.
That doesn't give me much to work with =| I may as well tell you my opinion on it, see if you share the sentiment. Two games ago I was lynched as town for being too Pro-town, too sexy, whatever. Felt it was completely out of my control and it was terrible. In the game still going on I was called out for being protown and it actually pissed me off because I thought i was going to get lynched again, this time D1 for no reason.
I can see Gumshoe being sick and tired of being called scummy for seemingly no reason, and just wanting to survive as town. I think it'd be fairly ballsy as scum to say "Hey, don't lynch me D1, I'm going to show you I hunt scum" without being as sarcastic as Coagulation or something. It made me lean townie on him. Thoughts?
I guess it's just hard for me to imagine because I have never gotten mislynched. I'm just that good + Show Spoiler +
or that bad at scum that no one needs to worry
. Your story makes sense, but I can also imagine him having thought of this and deciding beforehand that he wants to post this. I buy that he's frustrated of dying on D1. I can completely get into that, I just don't see why that means he's town now. Saying "I'm going to show you I hunt scum" doesn't cut it in that regard.
On January 07 2014 10:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Gum, do you feel I'm the scummiest person so far or is there someone that jumped on the heat you find more suspicious because of it? I can't really tell from your post.
I found what you did curios, not scummy, cheesecakes jump on you though isn't as simple, cause it happened through me which leads me to believe he cared more about how I responded to the question then how you play in voice. Which isn't alignment indicative, it just means he's started playing the game. Right now I think there are focus points in the thread, but no actual indications of scum intent, something that is sure to change so long as we keep talking ( :
So basically you wrote 4 sentences about something you said you thought was curious, then another four sentences on why it isn't alignment indicative. You gain scumpointsᵀᴹ!
Do I level up? Btw curios doesn't mean scummy, it just means I wanna know what other people think about you, and I'll put forth my actual thoughts on you to do that and get responses that way instead of just asking bland questions. Besides, just because I'm town doesn't mean I have to tell you everything I'm thinking : P and just because I'm super awesome doesn't mean I'll have scum reads out the gate, so chew on the null reads for a while, if you actually read the process instead of sneering at the conclusion youll find both worth, and proof that I am at the very least trying to think about the game from a townie perspective.
You can level up if you accumulate enough points to lynch with fire status. Currently you're at prod with a glowstick status. My problem is that you're saying a lot of things without saying anything of worth that helps us get further. On voice mafia you tend to rant a lot as well, both as town and scum, but I believe you put in more effort to push town forward and ask questions as town than as scum. I don't see you trying to figure out alignments, you're just saying nothing. The best way to prove you're town is to hunt for scum.
On January 07 2014 10:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Gum, do you feel I'm the scummiest person so far or is there someone that jumped on the heat you find more suspicious because of it? I can't really tell from your post.
I found what you did curios, not scummy, cheesecakes jump on you though isn't as simple, cause it happened through me which leads me to believe he cared more about how I responded to the question then how you play in voice. Which isn't alignment indicative, it just means he's started playing the game. Right now I think there are focus points in the thread, but no actual indications of scum intent, something that is sure to change so long as we keep talking ( :
So basically you wrote 4 sentences about something you said you thought was curious, then another four sentences on why it isn't alignment indicative. You gain scumpointsᵀᴹ!
Do I level up? Btw curios doesn't mean scummy, it just means I wanna know what other people think about you, and I'll put forth my actual thoughts on you to do that and get responses that way instead of just asking bland questions. Besides, just because I'm town doesn't mean I have to tell you everything I'm thinking : P and just because I'm super awesome doesn't mean I'll have scum reads out the gate, so chew on the null reads for a while, if you actually read the process instead of sneering at the conclusion youll find both worth, and proof that I am at the very least trying to think about the game from a townie perspective.
You can level up if you accumulate enough points to lynch with fire status. Currently you're at prod with a glowstick status. My problem is that you're saying a lot of things without saying anything of worth that helps us get further. On voice mafia you tend to rant a lot as well, both as town and scum, but I believe you put in more effort to push town forward and ask questions as town than as scum. I don't see you trying to figure out alignments, you're just saying nothing. The best way to prove you're town is to hunt for scum.
Actual Scum hunting is townie, building and pushing a case against someone because that's what townies do is not. What do you think of Iam pushing a reckless Yamato ? ( sigh, boring question alert.)
Yeah, so do actual scumhunting rather than feigning contributions. I'd actually like you to stop with this discourse as it's not leading us anywhere. iamp's prodding of Yamato is protown but not alignment indicative as it's very easy to do as either alignment.
On January 07 2014 10:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Gum, do you feel I'm the scummiest person so far or is there someone that jumped on the heat you find more suspicious because of it? I can't really tell from your post.
I found what you did curios, not scummy, cheesecakes jump on you though isn't as simple, cause it happened through me which leads me to believe he cared more about how I responded to the question then how you play in voice. Which isn't alignment indicative, it just means he's started playing the game. Right now I think there are focus points in the thread, but no actual indications of scum intent, something that is sure to change so long as we keep talking ( :
So basically you wrote 4 sentences about something you said you thought was curious, then another four sentences on why it isn't alignment indicative. You gain scumpointsᵀᴹ!
Do I level up? Btw curios doesn't mean scummy, it just means I wanna know what other people think about you, and I'll put forth my actual thoughts on you to do that and get responses that way instead of just asking bland questions. Besides, just because I'm town doesn't mean I have to tell you everything I'm thinking : P and just because I'm super awesome doesn't mean I'll have scum reads out the gate, so chew on the null reads for a while, if you actually read the process instead of sneering at the conclusion youll find both worth, and proof that I am at the very least trying to think about the game from a townie perspective.
You can level up if you accumulate enough points to lynch with fire status. Currently you're at prod with a glowstick status. My problem is that you're saying a lot of things without saying anything of worth that helps us get further. On voice mafia you tend to rant a lot as well, both as town and scum, but I believe you put in more effort to push town forward and ask questions as town than as scum. I don't see you trying to figure out alignments, you're just saying nothing. The best way to prove you're town is to hunt for scum.
Actual Scum hunting is townie, building and pushing a case against someone because that's what townies do is not. What do you think of Iam pushing a reckless Yamato ? ( sigh, boring question alert.)
Yeah, so do actual scumhunting rather than feigning contributions. I'd actually like you to stop with this discourse as it's not leading us anywhere. iamp's prodding of Yamato is protown but not alignment indicative as it's very easy to do as either alignment.
Artanis I feel like this is contradictory. You call out Gumshoe for saying stuff that isn't alignment indicative, but here we are. I fail to see the point of the last sentence.
Because Gumshoe is feigning contributions and being very wordy whereas Iamp is prodding Yamato and attempting to get him to contribute. The two situations are very different and you seem very keen on trying to paint me off as scum for extremely questionable reasons whilst warping the situation. You may have some scumpointsᵀᴹ too!
On January 07 2014 10:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Gum, do you feel I'm the scummiest person so far or is there someone that jumped on the heat you find more suspicious because of it? I can't really tell from your post.
I found what you did curios, not scummy, cheesecakes jump on you though isn't as simple, cause it happened through me which leads me to believe he cared more about how I responded to the question then how you play in voice. Which isn't alignment indicative, it just means he's started playing the game. Right now I think there are focus points in the thread, but no actual indications of scum intent, something that is sure to change so long as we keep talking ( :
So basically you wrote 4 sentences about something you said you thought was curious, then another four sentences on why it isn't alignment indicative. You gain scumpointsᵀᴹ!
Do I level up? Btw curios doesn't mean scummy, it just means I wanna know what other people think about you, and I'll put forth my actual thoughts on you to do that and get responses that way instead of just asking bland questions. Besides, just because I'm town doesn't mean I have to tell you everything I'm thinking : P and just because I'm super awesome doesn't mean I'll have scum reads out the gate, so chew on the null reads for a while, if you actually read the process instead of sneering at the conclusion youll find both worth, and proof that I am at the very least trying to think about the game from a townie perspective.
You can level up if you accumulate enough points to lynch with fire status. Currently you're at prod with a glowstick status. My problem is that you're saying a lot of things without saying anything of worth that helps us get further. On voice mafia you tend to rant a lot as well, both as town and scum, but I believe you put in more effort to push town forward and ask questions as town than as scum. I don't see you trying to figure out alignments, you're just saying nothing. The best way to prove you're town is to hunt for scum.
Actual Scum hunting is townie, building and pushing a case against someone because that's what townies do is not. What do you think of Iam pushing a reckless Yamato ? ( sigh, boring question alert.)
Yeah, so do actual scumhunting rather than feigning contributions. I'd actually like you to stop with this discourse as it's not leading us anywhere. iamp's prodding of Yamato is protown but not alignment indicative as it's very easy to do as either alignment.
Artanis I feel like this is contradictory. You call out Gumshoe for saying stuff that isn't alignment indicative, but here we are. I fail to see the point of the last sentence.
Because Gumshoe is feigning contributions and being very wordy whereas Iamp is prodding Yamato and attempting to get him to contribute. The two situations are very different and you seem very keen on trying to paint me off as scum for extremely questionable reasons whilst warping the situation. You may have some scumpointsᵀᴹ too!
Think we both misunderstood, didn't see that you were responding to Gumshoe's question and not just trying to randomly change the subject. No scumpoints for me plx xD
Okay, I understand. In that case, I revoke the initial scumpointsᵀᴹ. You may have scumpointsᵀᴹ for not properly reading the posts of the person you're accusing instead!
On January 07 2014 10:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Gum, do you feel I'm the scummiest person so far or is there someone that jumped on the heat you find more suspicious because of it? I can't really tell from your post.
I found what you did curios, not scummy, cheesecakes jump on you though isn't as simple, cause it happened through me which leads me to believe he cared more about how I responded to the question then how you play in voice. Which isn't alignment indicative, it just means he's started playing the game. Right now I think there are focus points in the thread, but no actual indications of scum intent, something that is sure to change so long as we keep talking ( :
So basically you wrote 4 sentences about something you said you thought was curious, then another four sentences on why it isn't alignment indicative. You gain scumpointsᵀᴹ!
Do I level up? Btw curios doesn't mean scummy, it just means I wanna know what other people think about you, and I'll put forth my actual thoughts on you to do that and get responses that way instead of just asking bland questions. Besides, just because I'm town doesn't mean I have to tell you everything I'm thinking : P and just because I'm super awesome doesn't mean I'll have scum reads out the gate, so chew on the null reads for a while, if you actually read the process instead of sneering at the conclusion youll find both worth, and proof that I am at the very least trying to think about the game from a townie perspective.
You can level up if you accumulate enough points to lynch with fire status. Currently you're at prod with a glowstick status. My problem is that you're saying a lot of things without saying anything of worth that helps us get further. On voice mafia you tend to rant a lot as well, both as town and scum, but I believe you put in more effort to push town forward and ask questions as town than as scum. I don't see you trying to figure out alignments, you're just saying nothing. The best way to prove you're town is to hunt for scum.
Actual Scum hunting is townie, building and pushing a case against someone because that's what townies do is not. What do you think of Iam pushing a reckless Yamato ? ( sigh, boring question alert.)
Yeah, so do actual scumhunting rather than feigning contributions. I'd actually like you to stop with this discourse as it's not leading us anywhere. iamp's prodding of Yamato is protown but not alignment indicative as it's very easy to do as either alignment.
Artanis I feel like this is contradictory. You call out Gumshoe for saying stuff that isn't alignment indicative, but here we are. I fail to see the point of the last sentence.
I get what he's saying, he means the act of prodding the sleeping lion doesn't say anything about Iams alignment but is in of itself pro town, because it encourages Yamato to play, which I don't neccecairely agree with, because the way iam called out Yamato was in A very accusatory tone that suggests he wouldn't actually listen to what Yamato would have to say, despite how scummy he finds him not saying anything to be. Also going by this and earlier dialogue it feels like Artanis and iam are pretty chummy / :
Artanis how is Iam more townie than me in this game? What has he done to earn your subtle approval?
Also welcome to the game Wos, what do you think of the way cheese pushes Artanis and soft defends me?
I have Iam as null, slightly leaning townie for attempting to get discussion going when everyone was still trolling. I think scum would be happy to just keep the fun up for as long as possible. I don't feel like the aggressive way of Iamp approaching Yamato is alignment indicative. I didn't feel like he was accusing as much as attempting to antagonize Yamato into contributing.
On January 07 2014 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote: ohai ladies. I town, just for a change.
Anything interesting happening?
Confirmed scum, can't be not scum due to RNG.
On January 07 2014 11:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 07 2014 11:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:53 gumshoe wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:41 gumshoe wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: [quote] So basically you wrote 4 sentences about something you said you thought was curious, then another four sentences on why it isn't alignment indicative. You gain scumpointsᵀᴹ!
Do I level up? Btw curios doesn't mean scummy, it just means I wanna know what other people think about you, and I'll put forth my actual thoughts on you to do that and get responses that way instead of just asking bland questions. Besides, just because I'm town doesn't mean I have to tell you everything I'm thinking : P and just because I'm super awesome doesn't mean I'll have scum reads out the gate, so chew on the null reads for a while, if you actually read the process instead of sneering at the conclusion youll find both worth, and proof that I am at the very least trying to think about the game from a townie perspective.
You can level up if you accumulate enough points to lynch with fire status. Currently you're at prod with a glowstick status. My problem is that you're saying a lot of things without saying anything of worth that helps us get further. On voice mafia you tend to rant a lot as well, both as town and scum, but I believe you put in more effort to push town forward and ask questions as town than as scum. I don't see you trying to figure out alignments, you're just saying nothing. The best way to prove you're town is to hunt for scum.
Actual Scum hunting is townie, building and pushing a case against someone because that's what townies do is not. What do you think of Iam pushing a reckless Yamato ? ( sigh, boring question alert.)
Yeah, so do actual scumhunting rather than feigning contributions. I'd actually like you to stop with this discourse as it's not leading us anywhere. iamp's prodding of Yamato is protown but not alignment indicative as it's very easy to do as either alignment.
Artanis I feel like this is contradictory. You call out Gumshoe for saying stuff that isn't alignment indicative, but here we are. I fail to see the point of the last sentence.
Because Gumshoe is feigning contributions and being very wordy whereas Iamp is prodding Yamato and attempting to get him to contribute. The two situations are very different and you seem very keen on trying to paint me off as scum for extremely questionable reasons whilst warping the situation. You may have some scumpointsᵀᴹ too!
Think we both misunderstood, didn't see that you were responding to Gumshoe's question and not just trying to randomly change the subject. No scumpoints for me plx xD
Okay, I understand. In that case, I revoke the initial scumpointsᵀᴹ. You may have scumpointsᵀᴹ for not properly reading the posts of the person you're accusing instead!
Nuuuuuuuuuuu! technically I didn't read gumshoes post
Anyway. So talk to me about people that just post then leave, makes me a sad cheesecake. Mkfuba and Yamato pretty much did the same thing, post then peace. Is that an alignment indicative action for you or is it more likely scum etc etc
I've seen both town and scum do it. I don't know fuba enough other than knowing he has a tendency to go inactive, but that's second hand information. Yamato I've played a bit more with but he hasn't peaced out as either alignment so I don't find either alignment indicative.
I like how Gumshoe kept doing his own thing even after my pressure. It feels genuine and I'm revoking the scumpointsᵀᴹ. Also liked Fuba's enter into the thread. Checked two of his games briefly, PYP and White Flag. He was very inactive as scum, whereas he still at least posted a bit in PYP. If he goes full AFK he's worth another look.
On January 07 2014 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually this is where the interesting conversation about gumshoe ends:
On January 07 2014 10:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Artanis, how do you feel about Gumshoe begging to survive the early game? I have my own opinion on it, want to see if you came up with the same conclusion I have.
I see a myriad of potential reasons. I've played a bunch with Gumshoe on voice and he tends to be loud there. He's been lynched there a bunch of times on D1 so I can imagine him saying this regardless of alignment. I struggle to find a reason that makes me lean on him to one alignment or the other regarding this specific post.
That doesn't give me much to work with =| I may as well tell you my opinion on it, see if you share the sentiment. Two games ago I was lynched as town for being too Pro-town, too sexy, whatever. Felt it was completely out of my control and it was terrible. In the game still going on I was called out for being protown and it actually pissed me off because I thought i was going to get lynched again, this time D1 for no reason.
I can see Gumshoe being sick and tired of being called scummy for seemingly no reason, and just wanting to survive as town. I think it'd be fairly ballsy as scum to say "Hey, don't lynch me D1, I'm going to show you I hunt scum" without being as sarcastic as Coagulation or something. It made me lean townie on him. Thoughts?
I guess it's just hard for me to imagine because I have never gotten mislynched. I'm just that good + Show Spoiler +
or that bad at scum that no one needs to worry
. Your story makes sense, but I can also imagine him having thought of this and deciding beforehand that he wants to post this. I buy that he's frustrated of dying on D1. I can completely get into that, I just don't see why that means he's town now. Saying "I'm going to show you I hunt scum" doesn't cut it in that regard.
What I should say is, I wouldn't post something like that as mafia so that makes me lean town on him. I take it you're leaning scum on Gumshoe atm because you posted that gumshoe was talking about something not being alignment indicative and that he gains scumpoints.
Gumshoe you are once again the topic of day 1 discussion! Congrats! I can only hope that this leads to good things this time around :D
It ends in a disagreement and neither of those guys bring that up any more and neither of them have a read on each other.
This isn't true. I've indicated I have a minor scumread on CC, and had a minor scumread on Gumshoe. You're either not reading very well or you're trying to twist my words. I'm not sure which. I also don't like how Yamato having a thought process is apparently enough for Rayn to give him a townread. It feels poorly reasoned. Rayn is awarded a collection of scumpointsᵀᴹ. Do you really feel like Yamato is this easy to catch as scum?
I still like how Iamp is generating discussion and do not view him as scummy.
On January 08 2014 01:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: everytime i tried to get the game started he just said "well he could do that as either alignment", basically refusing to conversate and get the game rolling.
So you want me to lie and say "yeah it totally indicates person X as alignment Y"? When I think something isn't alignment indicative, I say it isn't alignment indicative. For trying to paint me as scummy in every way you can think of I award you more scumpointsᵀᴹ! ##Vote Mr. Cheesecake
Cheesecake is scum for inconsistent interactions with me. First he tries to win over my favour, when that fails he searches for every little thing to call me scum after noticing that the thread atmosphere allows easy pressure on me.
JAT is probably scum because he's parroting Rayn who made an incorrect conclusion but rather than checking it or reading up on what we've said he simply changes his opinion and copies it. No thoughts of his own, all deflection.
On January 08 2014 03:38 thrawn2112 wrote: Artanis, the scumpoints are at best distracting. It'd be fine if I knew the real time value of a scumpoint and knew how many scumpoints equals a scumread... but I don't, so that makes it difficult to determine how serious you are about your reads.
Scumpointsᵀᴹ indicate a suspicion at the least. You'll see a vote once the scumpointsᵀᴹ exceed a certain threshold, like you did just now.
On January 08 2014 01:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: everytime i tried to get the game started he just said "well he could do that as either alignment", basically refusing to conversate and get the game rolling.
So you want me to lie and say "yeah it totally indicates person X as alignment Y"? When I think something isn't alignment indicative, I say it isn't alignment indicative. For trying to paint me as scummy in every way you can think of I award you more scumpointsᵀᴹ! ##Vote Mr. Cheesecake
The point is that you didnt care about conversation and talking just said it wasmt alignment indicative and left it at that. didnt seem interested in beginning the game apart from trolling.
If you ask me about a certain thing I answer it. You gave me something and asked if you thought it was alignment indicative, I disagreed. That you're willing to call me scum off it shows to me that you're looking for a target rather than looking for scum.
On January 08 2014 03:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Cheesecake is scum for inconsistent interactions with me. First he tries to win over my favour, when that fails he searches for every little thing to call me scum after noticing that the thread atmosphere allows easy pressure on me.
JAT is probably scum because he's parroting Rayn who made an incorrect conclusion but rather than checking it or reading up on what we've said he simply changes his opinion and copies it. No thoughts of his own, all deflection.
I did not change my opinion. That would mean I had a different opinion before and I didn't. And of course I checked what you said. Why would I agree with rayn without knowing what I am agreeing on as scum btw? That would be really dumb. I fail to see how agreeing with rayn is scummy in any way (especially if this is one of very few good points made in this game). He usually plays best Day1 if he is town and I at least see some critical thinking of him. I can't say that about many other players yet.
Because of being careless. Town wants to find scum, scum wants to find a target. It's how I caught Mocsta in LXIII and it's leading me to suspect you as well. How you come to the conclusion that I said nothing about CC when I clearly indicated I found him at least suspicious is beyond me other than simply parroting Rayn. Perhaps changing conclusion is the wrong wording, but you've created a new one entirely based on Rayn's words.
On January 08 2014 03:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Cheesecake is scum for inconsistent interactions with me. First he tries to win over my favour, when that fails he searches for every little thing to call me scum after noticing that the thread atmosphere allows easy pressure on me.
On January 07 2014 10:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Gum, do you feel I'm the scummiest person so far or is there someone that jumped on the heat you find more suspicious because of it? I can't really tell from your post.
I found what you did curios, not scummy, cheesecakes jump on you though isn't as simple, cause it happened through me which leads me to believe he cared more about how I responded to the question then how you play in voice. Which isn't alignment indicative, it just means he's started playing the game. Right now I think there are focus points in the thread, but no actual indications of scum intent, something that is sure to change so long as we keep talking ( :
So basically you wrote 4 sentences about something you said you thought was curious, then another four sentences on why it isn't alignment indicative. You gain scumpointsᵀᴹ!
Do I level up? Btw curios doesn't mean scummy, it just means I wanna know what other people think about you, and I'll put forth my actual thoughts on you to do that and get responses that way instead of just asking bland questions. Besides, just because I'm town doesn't mean I have to tell you everything I'm thinking : P and just because I'm super awesome doesn't mean I'll have scum reads out the gate, so chew on the null reads for a while, if you actually read the process instead of sneering at the conclusion youll find both worth, and proof that I am at the very least trying to think about the game from a townie perspective.
You can level up if you accumulate enough points to lynch with fire status. Currently you're at prod with a glowstick status. My problem is that you're saying a lot of things without saying anything of worth that helps us get further. On voice mafia you tend to rant a lot as well, both as town and scum, but I believe you put in more effort to push town forward and ask questions as town than as scum. I don't see you trying to figure out alignments, you're just saying nothing. The best way to prove you're town is to hunt for scum.
Actual Scum hunting is townie, building and pushing a case against someone because that's what townies do is not. What do you think of Iam pushing a reckless Yamato ? ( sigh, boring question alert.)
Yeah, so do actual scumhunting rather than feigning contributions. I'd actually like you to stop with this discourse as it's not leading us anywhere. iamp's prodding of Yamato is protown but not alignment indicative as it's very easy to do as either alignment.
Artanis I feel like this is contradictory. You call out Gumshoe for saying stuff that isn't alignment indicative, but here we are. I fail to see the point of the last sentence.
First he attacks me here, then realizes he messed up.
On January 07 2014 10:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Gum, do you feel I'm the scummiest person so far or is there someone that jumped on the heat you find more suspicious because of it? I can't really tell from your post.
I found what you did curios, not scummy, cheesecakes jump on you though isn't as simple, cause it happened through me which leads me to believe he cared more about how I responded to the question then how you play in voice. Which isn't alignment indicative, it just means he's started playing the game. Right now I think there are focus points in the thread, but no actual indications of scum intent, something that is sure to change so long as we keep talking ( :
So basically you wrote 4 sentences about something you said you thought was curious, then another four sentences on why it isn't alignment indicative. You gain scumpointsᵀᴹ!
Do I level up? Btw curios doesn't mean scummy, it just means I wanna know what other people think about you, and I'll put forth my actual thoughts on you to do that and get responses that way instead of just asking bland questions. Besides, just because I'm town doesn't mean I have to tell you everything I'm thinking : P and just because I'm super awesome doesn't mean I'll have scum reads out the gate, so chew on the null reads for a while, if you actually read the process instead of sneering at the conclusion youll find both worth, and proof that I am at the very least trying to think about the game from a townie perspective.
You can level up if you accumulate enough points to lynch with fire status. Currently you're at prod with a glowstick status. My problem is that you're saying a lot of things without saying anything of worth that helps us get further. On voice mafia you tend to rant a lot as well, both as town and scum, but I believe you put in more effort to push town forward and ask questions as town than as scum. I don't see you trying to figure out alignments, you're just saying nothing. The best way to prove you're town is to hunt for scum.
Actual Scum hunting is townie, building and pushing a case against someone because that's what townies do is not. What do you think of Iam pushing a reckless Yamato ? ( sigh, boring question alert.)
Yeah, so do actual scumhunting rather than feigning contributions. I'd actually like you to stop with this discourse as it's not leading us anywhere. iamp's prodding of Yamato is protown but not alignment indicative as it's very easy to do as either alignment.
Artanis I feel like this is contradictory. You call out Gumshoe for saying stuff that isn't alignment indicative, but here we are. I fail to see the point of the last sentence.
Because Gumshoe is feigning contributions and being very wordy whereas Iamp is prodding Yamato and attempting to get him to contribute. The two situations are very different and you seem very keen on trying to paint me off as scum for extremely questionable reasons whilst warping the situation. You may have some scumpointsᵀᴹ too!
Think we both misunderstood, didn't see that you were responding to Gumshoe's question and not just trying to randomly change the subject. No scumpoints for me plx xD
I'd consider that trying to make friends. Then he asks me some questions and comes back with
On January 08 2014 01:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hmm can we lynch Artanis? He wouldn't play nice with me.
On January 08 2014 01:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: everytime i tried to get the game started he just said "well he could do that as either alignment", basically refusing to conversate and get the game rolling.
Despite having answered his questions. He's casting suspicion on me because I refuse to call something that I feel isn't alignment indicative alignment indicative. I suspect because I refused his advances because he wasn't sexy enough.
On January 08 2014 03:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Cheesecake is scum for inconsistent interactions with me. First he tries to win over my favour, when that fails he searches for every little thing to call me scum after noticing that the thread atmosphere allows easy pressure on me.
JAT is probably scum because he's parroting Rayn who made an incorrect conclusion but rather than checking it or reading up on what we've said he simply changes his opinion and copies it. No thoughts of his own, all deflection.
I did not change my opinion. That would mean I had a different opinion before and I didn't. And of course I checked what you said. Why would I agree with rayn without knowing what I am agreeing on as scum btw? That would be really dumb. I fail to see how agreeing with rayn is scummy in any way (especially if this is one of very few good points made in this game). He usually plays best Day1 if he is town and I at least see some critical thinking of him. I can't say that about many other players yet.
Because of being careless. Town wants to find scum, scum wants to find a target. It's how I caught Mocsta in LXIII and it's leading me to suspect you as well. How you come to the conclusion that I said nothing about CC when I clearly indicated I found him at least suspicious is beyond me other than simply parroting Rayn. Perhaps changing conclusion is the wrong wording, but you've created a new one entirely based on Rayn's words.
Because an opinion someone else has can't be adopted because that would be scummy. Good point man.
You entirely failed to show us where you "clearly indicated" that CC was a little suspicious to you too. Just calling Rayns point an incorrect conclusion doesn't cut it.
On January 07 2014 10:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Gum, do you feel I'm the scummiest person so far or is there someone that jumped on the heat you find more suspicious because of it? I can't really tell from your post.
I found what you did curios, not scummy, cheesecakes jump on you though isn't as simple, cause it happened through me which leads me to believe he cared more about how I responded to the question then how you play in voice. Which isn't alignment indicative, it just means he's started playing the game. Right now I think there are focus points in the thread, but no actual indications of scum intent, something that is sure to change so long as we keep talking ( :
So basically you wrote 4 sentences about something you said you thought was curious, then another four sentences on why it isn't alignment indicative. You gain scumpointsᵀᴹ!
Do I level up? Btw curios doesn't mean scummy, it just means I wanna know what other people think about you, and I'll put forth my actual thoughts on you to do that and get responses that way instead of just asking bland questions. Besides, just because I'm town doesn't mean I have to tell you everything I'm thinking : P and just because I'm super awesome doesn't mean I'll have scum reads out the gate, so chew on the null reads for a while, if you actually read the process instead of sneering at the conclusion youll find both worth, and proof that I am at the very least trying to think about the game from a townie perspective.
You can level up if you accumulate enough points to lynch with fire status. Currently you're at prod with a glowstick status. My problem is that you're saying a lot of things without saying anything of worth that helps us get further. On voice mafia you tend to rant a lot as well, both as town and scum, but I believe you put in more effort to push town forward and ask questions as town than as scum. I don't see you trying to figure out alignments, you're just saying nothing. The best way to prove you're town is to hunt for scum.
Actual Scum hunting is townie, building and pushing a case against someone because that's what townies do is not. What do you think of Iam pushing a reckless Yamato ? ( sigh, boring question alert.)
Yeah, so do actual scumhunting rather than feigning contributions. I'd actually like you to stop with this discourse as it's not leading us anywhere. iamp's prodding of Yamato is protown but not alignment indicative as it's very easy to do as either alignment.
Artanis I feel like this is contradictory. You call out Gumshoe for saying stuff that isn't alignment indicative, but here we are. I fail to see the point of the last sentence.
Because Gumshoe is feigning contributions and being very wordy whereas Iamp is prodding Yamato and attempting to get him to contribute. The two situations are very different and you seem very keen on trying to paint me off as scum for extremely questionable reasons whilst warping the situation. You may have some scumpointsᵀᴹ too!
On January 07 2014 10:29 gumshoe wrote: [quote] I found what you did curios, not scummy, cheesecakes jump on you though isn't as simple, cause it happened through me which leads me to believe he cared more about how I responded to the question then how you play in voice. Which isn't alignment indicative, it just means he's started playing the game. Right now I think there are focus points in the thread, but no actual indications of scum intent, something that is sure to change so long as we keep talking ( :
So basically you wrote 4 sentences about something you said you thought was curious, then another four sentences on why it isn't alignment indicative. You gain scumpointsᵀᴹ!
Do I level up? Btw curios doesn't mean scummy, it just means I wanna know what other people think about you, and I'll put forth my actual thoughts on you to do that and get responses that way instead of just asking bland questions. Besides, just because I'm town doesn't mean I have to tell you everything I'm thinking : P and just because I'm super awesome doesn't mean I'll have scum reads out the gate, so chew on the null reads for a while, if you actually read the process instead of sneering at the conclusion youll find both worth, and proof that I am at the very least trying to think about the game from a townie perspective.
You can level up if you accumulate enough points to lynch with fire status. Currently you're at prod with a glowstick status. My problem is that you're saying a lot of things without saying anything of worth that helps us get further. On voice mafia you tend to rant a lot as well, both as town and scum, but I believe you put in more effort to push town forward and ask questions as town than as scum. I don't see you trying to figure out alignments, you're just saying nothing. The best way to prove you're town is to hunt for scum.
Actual Scum hunting is townie, building and pushing a case against someone because that's what townies do is not. What do you think of Iam pushing a reckless Yamato ? ( sigh, boring question alert.)
Yeah, so do actual scumhunting rather than feigning contributions. I'd actually like you to stop with this discourse as it's not leading us anywhere. iamp's prodding of Yamato is protown but not alignment indicative as it's very easy to do as either alignment.
Artanis I feel like this is contradictory. You call out Gumshoe for saying stuff that isn't alignment indicative, but here we are. I fail to see the point of the last sentence.
Because Gumshoe is feigning contributions and being very wordy whereas Iamp is prodding Yamato and attempting to get him to contribute. The two situations are very different and you seem very keen on trying to paint me off as scum for extremely questionable reasons whilst warping the situation. You may have some scumpointsᵀᴹ too!
Think we both misunderstood, didn't see that you were responding to Gumshoe's question and not just trying to randomly change the subject. No scumpoints for me plx xD
Okay, I understand. In that case, I revoke the initial scumpointsᵀᴹ. You may have scumpointsᵀᴹ for not properly reading the posts of the person you're accusing instead!
On January 08 2014 03:48 thrawn2112 wrote: can you provide quotes
On January 08 2014 03:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Cheesecake is scum for inconsistent interactions with me. First he tries to win over my favour, when that fails he searches for every little thing to call me scum after noticing that the thread atmosphere allows easy pressure on me.
On January 07 2014 10:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:53 gumshoe wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:41 gumshoe wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:29 gumshoe wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Gum, do you feel I'm the scummiest person so far or is there someone that jumped on the heat you find more suspicious because of it? I can't really tell from your post.
I found what you did curios, not scummy, cheesecakes jump on you though isn't as simple, cause it happened through me which leads me to believe he cared more about how I responded to the question then how you play in voice. Which isn't alignment indicative, it just means he's started playing the game. Right now I think there are focus points in the thread, but no actual indications of scum intent, something that is sure to change so long as we keep talking ( :
So basically you wrote 4 sentences about something you said you thought was curious, then another four sentences on why it isn't alignment indicative. You gain scumpointsᵀᴹ!
Do I level up? Btw curios doesn't mean scummy, it just means I wanna know what other people think about you, and I'll put forth my actual thoughts on you to do that and get responses that way instead of just asking bland questions. Besides, just because I'm town doesn't mean I have to tell you everything I'm thinking : P and just because I'm super awesome doesn't mean I'll have scum reads out the gate, so chew on the null reads for a while, if you actually read the process instead of sneering at the conclusion youll find both worth, and proof that I am at the very least trying to think about the game from a townie perspective.
You can level up if you accumulate enough points to lynch with fire status. Currently you're at prod with a glowstick status. My problem is that you're saying a lot of things without saying anything of worth that helps us get further. On voice mafia you tend to rant a lot as well, both as town and scum, but I believe you put in more effort to push town forward and ask questions as town than as scum. I don't see you trying to figure out alignments, you're just saying nothing. The best way to prove you're town is to hunt for scum.
Actual Scum hunting is townie, building and pushing a case against someone because that's what townies do is not. What do you think of Iam pushing a reckless Yamato ? ( sigh, boring question alert.)
Yeah, so do actual scumhunting rather than feigning contributions. I'd actually like you to stop with this discourse as it's not leading us anywhere. iamp's prodding of Yamato is protown but not alignment indicative as it's very easy to do as either alignment.
Artanis I feel like this is contradictory. You call out Gumshoe for saying stuff that isn't alignment indicative, but here we are. I fail to see the point of the last sentence.
First he attacks me here, then realizes he messed up.
On January 07 2014 11:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 07 2014 11:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:53 gumshoe wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:41 gumshoe wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: [quote] So basically you wrote 4 sentences about something you said you thought was curious, then another four sentences on why it isn't alignment indicative. You gain scumpointsᵀᴹ!
Do I level up? Btw curios doesn't mean scummy, it just means I wanna know what other people think about you, and I'll put forth my actual thoughts on you to do that and get responses that way instead of just asking bland questions. Besides, just because I'm town doesn't mean I have to tell you everything I'm thinking : P and just because I'm super awesome doesn't mean I'll have scum reads out the gate, so chew on the null reads for a while, if you actually read the process instead of sneering at the conclusion youll find both worth, and proof that I am at the very least trying to think about the game from a townie perspective.
You can level up if you accumulate enough points to lynch with fire status. Currently you're at prod with a glowstick status. My problem is that you're saying a lot of things without saying anything of worth that helps us get further. On voice mafia you tend to rant a lot as well, both as town and scum, but I believe you put in more effort to push town forward and ask questions as town than as scum. I don't see you trying to figure out alignments, you're just saying nothing. The best way to prove you're town is to hunt for scum.
Actual Scum hunting is townie, building and pushing a case against someone because that's what townies do is not. What do you think of Iam pushing a reckless Yamato ? ( sigh, boring question alert.)
Yeah, so do actual scumhunting rather than feigning contributions. I'd actually like you to stop with this discourse as it's not leading us anywhere. iamp's prodding of Yamato is protown but not alignment indicative as it's very easy to do as either alignment.
Artanis I feel like this is contradictory. You call out Gumshoe for saying stuff that isn't alignment indicative, but here we are. I fail to see the point of the last sentence.
Because Gumshoe is feigning contributions and being very wordy whereas Iamp is prodding Yamato and attempting to get him to contribute. The two situations are very different and you seem very keen on trying to paint me off as scum for extremely questionable reasons whilst warping the situation. You may have some scumpointsᵀᴹ too!
Think we both misunderstood, didn't see that you were responding to Gumshoe's question and not just trying to randomly change the subject. No scumpoints for me plx xD
I'd consider that trying to make friends. Then he asks me some questions and comes back with
On January 08 2014 01:06 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Hmm can we lynch Artanis? He wouldn't play nice with me.
On January 08 2014 01:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: everytime i tried to get the game started he just said "well he could do that as either alignment", basically refusing to conversate and get the game rolling.
Despite having answered his questions. He's casting suspicion on me because I refuse to call something that I feel isn't alignment indicative alignment indicative. I suspect because I refused his advances because he wasn't sexy enough.
I 'attacked' you because i was confused for not reading the spoilered quote, it was unwarranted. Not going to push something that was wrong when i realized that i was being dumb.
You're right. I just remember it as getting attacked, then backing off, then continuing when thread sentiment is again in my disfavour. I still find your point about things that aren't alignment indicative scummy.
On January 07 2014 09:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Hello everyone. I'm also town. Cheesecake, on a level of 1-100, how sexy will you be this game?
so I don't know what you mean by that accusation. No matter his alignment any sexiness he demonstrates for your benefit is likely a result of the above quote.
The problem I have is that he did it after he accused me rather than before, but the matter is settled because I forgot that his initial accusation was rescinded.
On January 07 2014 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote: ohai ladies. I town, just for a change.
Anything interesting happening?
Confirmed scum, can't be not scum due to RNG.
On January 07 2014 11:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 07 2014 11:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:53 gumshoe wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:41 gumshoe wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: [quote] So basically you wrote 4 sentences about something you said you thought was curious, then another four sentences on why it isn't alignment indicative. You gain scumpointsᵀᴹ!
Do I level up? Btw curios doesn't mean scummy, it just means I wanna know what other people think about you, and I'll put forth my actual thoughts on you to do that and get responses that way instead of just asking bland questions. Besides, just because I'm town doesn't mean I have to tell you everything I'm thinking : P and just because I'm super awesome doesn't mean I'll have scum reads out the gate, so chew on the null reads for a while, if you actually read the process instead of sneering at the conclusion youll find both worth, and proof that I am at the very least trying to think about the game from a townie perspective.
You can level up if you accumulate enough points to lynch with fire status. Currently you're at prod with a glowstick status. My problem is that you're saying a lot of things without saying anything of worth that helps us get further. On voice mafia you tend to rant a lot as well, both as town and scum, but I believe you put in more effort to push town forward and ask questions as town than as scum. I don't see you trying to figure out alignments, you're just saying nothing. The best way to prove you're town is to hunt for scum.
Actual Scum hunting is townie, building and pushing a case against someone because that's what townies do is not. What do you think of Iam pushing a reckless Yamato ? ( sigh, boring question alert.)
Yeah, so do actual scumhunting rather than feigning contributions. I'd actually like you to stop with this discourse as it's not leading us anywhere. iamp's prodding of Yamato is protown but not alignment indicative as it's very easy to do as either alignment.
Artanis I feel like this is contradictory. You call out Gumshoe for saying stuff that isn't alignment indicative, but here we are. I fail to see the point of the last sentence.
Because Gumshoe is feigning contributions and being very wordy whereas Iamp is prodding Yamato and attempting to get him to contribute. The two situations are very different and you seem very keen on trying to paint me off as scum for extremely questionable reasons whilst warping the situation. You may have some scumpointsᵀᴹ too!
Think we both misunderstood, didn't see that you were responding to Gumshoe's question and not just trying to randomly change the subject. No scumpoints for me plx xD
Okay, I understand. In that case, I revoke the initial scumpointsᵀᴹ. You may have scumpointsᵀᴹ for not properly reading the posts of the person you're accusing instead!
That's why scumpoints are bad. You are assigning CC scum points for misunderstanding a post. That's too weak of an accusation for me to believe but I can't tell how serious you are when you act silly while assigning scum reads.
I just refreshed the page and saw your recent post about the point I just brought up. Obviously I don't think it's a valid point.
On reflection I think you might be right. I might be too tunneled. His comeback just instantly felt like a Plan B when his initial plan failed. I can't ditch the scumpointsᵀᴹ. They're too sexy.
On January 08 2014 03:58 justanothertownie wrote: You took those scumpoints back shortly after.
Not really. I just substituted them.
On January 07 2014 11:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote: ohai ladies. I town, just for a change.
Anything interesting happening?
Confirmed scum, can't be not scum due to RNG.
On January 07 2014 11:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 07 2014 11:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:53 gumshoe wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 07 2014 10:41 gumshoe wrote: [quote]
Do I level up? Btw curios doesn't mean scummy, it just means I wanna know what other people think about you, and I'll put forth my actual thoughts on you to do that and get responses that way instead of just asking bland questions. Besides, just because I'm town doesn't mean I have to tell you everything I'm thinking : P and just because I'm super awesome doesn't mean I'll have scum reads out the gate, so chew on the null reads for a while, if you actually read the process instead of sneering at the conclusion youll find both worth, and proof that I am at the very least trying to think about the game from a townie perspective.
You can level up if you accumulate enough points to lynch with fire status. Currently you're at prod with a glowstick status. My problem is that you're saying a lot of things without saying anything of worth that helps us get further. On voice mafia you tend to rant a lot as well, both as town and scum, but I believe you put in more effort to push town forward and ask questions as town than as scum. I don't see you trying to figure out alignments, you're just saying nothing. The best way to prove you're town is to hunt for scum.
Actual Scum hunting is townie, building and pushing a case against someone because that's what townies do is not. What do you think of Iam pushing a reckless Yamato ? ( sigh, boring question alert.)
Yeah, so do actual scumhunting rather than feigning contributions. I'd actually like you to stop with this discourse as it's not leading us anywhere. iamp's prodding of Yamato is protown but not alignment indicative as it's very easy to do as either alignment.
Artanis I feel like this is contradictory. You call out Gumshoe for saying stuff that isn't alignment indicative, but here we are. I fail to see the point of the last sentence.
Because Gumshoe is feigning contributions and being very wordy whereas Iamp is prodding Yamato and attempting to get him to contribute. The two situations are very different and you seem very keen on trying to paint me off as scum for extremely questionable reasons whilst warping the situation. You may have some scumpointsᵀᴹ too!
Think we both misunderstood, didn't see that you were responding to Gumshoe's question and not just trying to randomly change the subject. No scumpoints for me plx xD
Okay, I understand. In that case, I revoke the initial scumpointsᵀᴹ. You may have scumpointsᵀᴹ for not properly reading the posts of the person you're accusing instead!
As I said that looked more like a joke to me. The reasoning behind your substitutional scumread is much weaker and I did not read that as clearly indicative of such a read.
What I am curious of though is that my interactions with CC clearly did read to a lead, even if I substituted it with a different read later it led me to information I felt was alignment indicative, yet you still conclude that my interactions did not give me a conclusion. How come?
On January 08 2014 17:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: But when i make a case on thrawn, he (cora) does not apparently even read the case (or if he does - he misrepresents it totally - which makes him scum). He calls the case OMGUS and the argument between me and thrawn a "shitstorm which will ruin the town". This is totally not the case.
I like this point.
On January 08 2014 17:51 mkfuba07 wrote: I was kinda hoping for his response too, but it never came. If he's really a townie who feels like people are misconstruing his play, wouldn't he at least comment on something that's been brought up repeatedly?
I also like this point. Scumpointsᵀᴹ to Cora.
On January 08 2014 16:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: @ yamato (mainly);
On January 08 2014 13:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: thrawn: Well then you should not post when you are under influence. I stopped posting drunk when i realized that's a fucking terrible idea. yamato even asked you to stop posting last night when you told us you are stoned.
WoS: I try to elaborate as well as i can onto yamato. What yamato does as mafia is two things. He does not play for an all game plan. He plays for (1) survival, usually lurks, and (2) fuels arguments between townies. 1 and 2 are important, usually lurking is something that's not so important as he is able to change that if he wants to. 1) This can be seen in GoT, where i played scum with him. We had a game plan from the beginning but yamato's mindset was pretty much "i won't get lynched on D1". I don't remember he was doing much else than trying to survive D2. 2) This can be seen from 4 Persona, where yamato's pure purpose was to fuel me vs you argument until it ended up in a townie lynch. After that he discredited me for all D2, but when i basically solved the game on N2 he had no other option than to night kill me, even though i lynched a cop on D1 and had a red check on me. That's how "confident" yamato feels his scumplay is.
What he has done in this game is neither of those things.
Would you not consider his last couple of posts 'confident' in him not getting lynched today? I dunno Rayn it's like I said to WBG, I am not particularly good at meta, and I very rarely see it getting used well so I can't really take reads solely based on meta into account. I see what yamato has done in this game, and it's scummy.
I think atm this is the only post/argument that could make WoS scum.
He does not explain how what yamato has done in this game is scummy. Because yamato hasn't done anything besides argued with me up to this point. So where the scumread is based on? Lurker lynch? No, because WoS said yamato is scummy. Meta? No, because WoS said he's not good at meta so he does not use it.
So exactly why is what yamato has done up to this point of the game scummy?
I agree here though I'd need to filter dive WoS again. I'm not sure this is something he'd do as town especially after being so active.
I can't really comment on the Thrawn case because I have no idea what the effects of drugs are as I've never really used them myself. In a vacuum it looks scummy as shit and I haven't really been impressed by the rest of his play.
Dunno when I'll be back, but I'll try to find time before the deadline.
On January 08 2014 21:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are still here i would like to hear why you do not find the iamp case worth discussing.
I'm going through breakfast as fast as possible to leave afterwards. Iamps case doesn't really say anything and requires me to filter him again which I don't have time for right now.
On January 08 2014 21:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you have now Cora, gumshoe, WoS and Cheesecake as scum. Which of the names does not belong here and which one is the strongest?
I don't think Gumshoe is scum anymore after how he responded earlier. My strongest read is still my first read, which is why my vote is still on mr. supposedly sexy.
On January 09 2014 00:06 wherebugsgo wrote: Rayn, despite being focused on thrawn you stated you'd rather lynch CC and Cora before WoS (so I'm assuming Yamato comes first)
Why was thrawn not in there?
Because i don't think thrawn is as scummy as WoS, or pretty much falls into the same "wtf category" atm. I am asking your opinions about thrawn because you have given your opinions on WoS already. I think the CC case is pretty clear and that's Artanis' case, i want him to push it.
Why are you not pushing CC yourself when I've said that I don't have time today? If he's a strong scumspect for you too I don't understand why you aren't pushing him.
To reiterate: CC's stance on me has flipped a bunch of times, and he's been reaching to call me scum wherever possible, even going as far as to call me suspicious for saying that non-alignment indicative things are non-alignment indicative.
On January 08 2014 01:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: everytime i tried to get the game started he just said "well he could do that as either alignment", basically refusing to conversate and get the game rolling.
Most of his interactions were with me and then after calling me suspicious he concludes
On January 08 2014 01:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: everytime i tried to get the game started he just said "well he could do that as either alignment", basically refusing to conversate and get the game rolling.
So you want me to lie and say "yeah it totally indicates person X as alignment Y"? When I think something isn't alignment indicative, I say it isn't alignment indicative. For trying to paint me as scummy in every way you can think of I award you more scumpointsᵀᴹ! ##Vote Mr. Cheesecake
The point is that you didnt care about conversation and talking just said it wasmt alignment indicative and left it at that. didnt seem interested in beginning the game apart from trolling.
If you ask me about a certain thing I answer it. You gave me something and asked if you thought it was alignment indicative, I disagreed. That you're willing to call me scum off it shows to me that you're looking for a target rather than looking for scum.
You aren't thinking about this critically. Its not specifically the answers i dont like. its the fact that you didnt seem interested at all in getting content into the game.
And i never called you scum, somebody is paranoid. I did express the notion to lynch you, maybe that was the kickstart this game needed.
So he's just been bullshitting. This cheesecake is far from sexy enough.
On January 09 2014 01:08 kushm4sta wrote: sorry but I am not interesting in playing a conversational style of mafia this game. I will not read through your epically long conversations.
anyway yamato is lynch bait these days
Since when have you been against conversational styles of mafia? It seems to be the only way you play mafia. I've never seen you create a case.
On January 09 2014 01:08 kushm4sta wrote: sorry but I am not interesting in playing a conversational style of mafia this game. I will not read through your epically long conversations.
anyway yamato is lynch bait these days
Since when have you been against conversational styles of mafia? It seems to be the only way you play mafia. I've never seen you create a case.
i have made cases before. I have nothing against the conversational style but IMO you can't expect everyone to read that shit! Here is how I would like to play this game. I will read a case. Like a long post then I will agree or disagree with it and say why. Is that cool? And if you think Im mafia you can like throw me a case and I can give you my thoughts and that's how you can know im town.
I strongly disagree. This is how mafia is played. Most games go even slower than this game and if you can't read every post then don't sign up to the game. You're also not making any long posts yourself so you saying other people should do your dirty work for you is ridiculous.
WBG, tell me how me coming back straight before deadline when Cora scumclaimed makes any sense as scum. He literally claimed scum by the time I voted him. How would I gain anything out of it as scum myself?
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