On January 10 2014 00:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
Overall I agree that it wasn't bad, but you have to ask:

How many people after the lynch thought CC was scum?

How many people did we have in the pool to lynch?

If one of Artanis/CC died at some point do you think the players who would be left alive would have killed the other, after how they attacked each other?

From a per-player standpoint it wasn't anything to cry home about. Aside from about 5 players everyone else didn't really do anything. JAT spent the entire game sort of weakly sheeping people, it wasn't really clear to me that he was town. Artanis and CC were mostly afk and while that makes Artanis more likely to be scum, his level of activity dropped to a point where anybody could argue that he was just neglectfully inactive.

Kush did nothing as usual except aggravate half the town by existing.

Aside from the players I mentioned before I can't remember anything that the rest did. To read them properly I'd have to go back to my notes to remember what was the thing in their filter that swung the strongest.

Did you have strong town reads on all of them?

i had artanis as scum in my notes

I had mr CC as a town read regardless of any dick move analysis.

If one of Artanis/CC died at some point do you think the players who would be left alive would have killed the other, after how they attacked each other?

I don't know that's why we play the game out.

Like i dont think you can expect every player to bleed townieness bugs. Would make for a boring game. Some players are better than others skill wise. And its kind of silly to predict on how the game will play out based on where your reads are as of now. Say we put some heat on jat maybe he comes out of it like yamato did maybe he doesn't. Maybe artanis picks up his activity and plays better maybe he doesn't. I didn't really have a problem with any player besides kush.

regardless everybody was at least posting somewhat like i dont believe there was anyone with like 2 posts.

iamperfection

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January 09 2014 16:01 GMT

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that's not what i said. I said its pretty impossible to say for certain how the game will play out.

iamperfection

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January 09 2014 16:08 GMT

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On January 10 2014 01:05 wherebugsgo wrote:

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On January 10 2014 01:00 justanothertownie wrote:

On January 10 2014 00:54 iamperfection wrote:

I tend to look townier the longer the games goes on. I admit that my Day1 play generally sucks and I am often attacked early on but in the later stages of the game I am almost always a universal townread. I think this might be similar for some other players.
Predicting that nobody would lynch the second half of CC/Artanis in the end makes no sense. In my experience things like that have less influence on peoples reads the longer the game goes on.

And again, precedent exists for this. Similar thing to this game happened in June with GM's smurf mini. Scum got replaced instead of mod killed and the town didn't lynch the replacements...because they were replacements.

i think your underestimating the amount of wifom and deviousness that the scum who got lynched was able to place in thread. He was truly an artist of his craft.

iamperfection

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January 09 2014 16:29 GMT

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On January 10 2014 01:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
wait what is this game over?

CONGRATULATIONS YOU WON!!!!

iamperfection

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January 09 2014 16:34 GMT

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On January 10 2014 01:30 wherebugsgo wrote:

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Sure, maybe I need to explain myself a bit better.

It's a matter of coin flip whether the scum team ends up having good players or crappy ones. I think the forum has consistently shown that most players have very little interest in playing scum, and because the majority of the playerbase doesn't really see good play all that often they can't emulate it either. (And that goes for both alignments)

Supposing the next time if town is similar to this and the coin ends up flipping an average scum team the game will be awful. I've been there, and the most often it's happened is in the last year (most of my recent mini games, I have not enjoyed).

I stopped playing large games because I didn't like how many people would afk in large games or just not really provide reads. That mentality has pushed into all games by now I feel.

It seems like your just applying it to the wrong game here bugs. Like kush is really the only person you can be very disappointed in his play. And you cant really say the game would have been awful with different scum players who knows how the game plays out at that point.