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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 30 2013 20:30 GMT
#341
Exactly VE. Just what you said in your last post.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 30 2013 20:31 GMT
#342
God i would really hope Adam would come here and talk so i could make something out of this mess. I have really mixed feelings on him atm..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 30 2013 20:36 GMT
#344
On December 31 2013 05:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
What do you think about Hopeless's problem with me rayn? I have a hard time remaining objective looking at it for obvious reasons.

I understand his point about you proposing a team almost immediately when you had 24 hours. I think it's a legit concern, i had the exact same feeling when i saw you just proposed a team without any discussion.

Is there something else you want me to answer about him? That's pretty much all i can remember him talking about you.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 30 2013 20:46 GMT
#346
On December 31 2013 05:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well for starters, I selected my team 12 hours into the day after the first 12 hours had been a black hole of inactivity. So no, I didn't almost immediately pick a team, I was just one of the first to post after the day was started. Why am I suspicious because the entire game is absent from the thread?

You could have waited the other 12h before picking your team and asked people to te talk. Like say "i am thinking of picking a team with X, Y and Z. I am gonna submit the team in X hours if people do not give opinions about it so i want everyone to elaborate".

Can you see it from my perspective. I am the last leader. That does not bother me so much as i don't really care if i get to pick a team or not. But if i don't i want everyone to elaborate on their POSSIBLE teampicks and other people to give their thoguhts about the teams. That's how you FORCE people to give out reads and imo it's more beneficial to get info from all the players regarding a team that's not proposed yet. After that the leader can act accordingly based on answers and we get more info on them too.

Now, all we got is that you think Sentinel and Cora are town. Hell you could have even lied about your reads on me and Hopeless, who is to say you were really truthful in those reads as you did not nominate us while saying so?

Do you get my point? It's about clarity and making desicions based on actual information and not the other way around - making desicions and then seeing what it brings you. This is a team game after all.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 30 2013 20:52 GMT
#347
For example:

At the start of the game this would be a comparsion to a normal mafia game:
Koshi: "Let's randomly assume good players like rayn and VE are town and if they lynch wrong people then lynch them"
CR: "Let's random lynch someone and then see who voted what and make conclusions about it".

That's not ho it works. As i said, especially D1 is like normal mafia, you are just more town hunting than scumhunting. But the main point stands, you discuss things with people and make conclusions about the discussions and THEN you make desicions in proposing teams and what to vote on proposed teams.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 30 2013 22:46 GMT
#350
So seriously, where the fuck is everyone?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 31 2013 04:11 GMT
#386
well fuck.. i would have voted nay either way.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 31 2013 04:13 GMT
#387
sorry hosts.. :/
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 31 2013 19:29 GMT
#426
Koshi i think your case on VE is pretty good barring some things i don't think are alignment indicative.
I also think your list of possible picks is pretty good, although i am still on the fence with Adam and Grack. I would not send either of them. I can go with you + Hopeless + me.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 31 2013 19:29 GMT
#427
Koshi do you want ot 100% send yourself?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 31 2013 19:55 GMT
#430
I think what you said about CR is quite accurate in a way that it does not make sense you both are scum. I don't think CR's absence points towards him being town, because as i said it's a way of denying information.

If you wanna send me + you + Hopeless i am okay with it. But please, do not pick the team yet if you are able to do it later, i want to hear what other people have to say about it aswell.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 31 2013 20:07 GMT
#432
On January 01 2014 05:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
How would town CR be able to steer town to victory if he's viewed as a suspicious person? All of his stuff about spy strats was construed as him trying to give the team some pointers. If he's town, real scummers would have an easy time twisting his words while they control the majority of town sentiment.

Scum CR, if Mission 1 fails, could adopt the same i-told-you-so reasoning as town CR. I think an experienced player would have no problem shifting the game... he was even talking about how spies would use WIFOM in their voting to scare town into picking new teams.

I'll probably bump him up to null-scum until I see his D2 play in earnest though.

That's the point. Did you read Koshi's post? Either way, if CR is scum at the moment he is helping the town with his attitude as he can't oppose all town team. If he is town he is helping scum by looking like non-town as he is not helping.

Funny but that's how i see it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 31 2013 20:08 GMT
#433
It's a bold play if he is scum but on the other hand it's quite stupid if he is town as more information = always better for the town and right now he isn't giving us anything.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 31 2013 20:24 GMT
#441
Koshi you should listen to Snetinel's piano song when scumhunting.
I tried it in Titanic II and found many scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 02 2014 10:24 GMT
#519
I have a fucking bad feeling about this. There are no nay-votes..
Either scum are intentionally letting an all-town team to go for some reason, or there is scum in the team.

Not that the votes at this point matter any more, everything after the first 5 votes tell us nothing (and that's why the voting system is usually by PM's/anonymous until results)..

Koshi, what's this talk about PMing the hosts?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 02 2014 10:40 GMT
#521
We'll talk more about this after the results.
What do you think about the votes?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 02 2014 10:48 GMT
#523
Yes it is.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 02 2014 11:19 GMT
#526
I really have no idea what's going on in this game atm. Just about everyone had a scum read on you Koshi and when i say i am okay with you in the team everyone suddenly yay-votes the team.

I hope i am wrong and scum were just terrified or wtf ever and too sacred to vote nay, but we'll see about that.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 02 2014 13:13 GMT
#528
And why exactly is that scummy?
Do you think scum just let the mission with 3 townies just pass without a single piece of resistance?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 02 2014 14:56 GMT
#533
The thing that scummers could/should have done (wanted to see if rayn would figure it out because it is strange he didn't) is to suggest a team without attracting too much attention.

Elaborate on this please. I have no idea what you mean by this.
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