Koshi could you elaborate more on the Hopeless/Grack/Adam thing? You seem to be thinking Adam and Grack are scum correct and they are trying to frame(?) Hopeless?

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December 27 2013 15:03 GMT

#135

Grack why'd you be okay with me/Adam/Hopeless?

raynpelikoneet

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December 27 2013 18:10 GMT

#150

You send the most townie people on Day 1. But because I doubt that anybody can prove himself 100% town I suggest that the most active people/most respected people go on the first mission. Reasons have been stated.

And here you are clearly contradicting yourself. Koshi what the hell? Get your shit together if you are town. Most towniest people go, doesn't matter who they are.

raynpelikoneet

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December 27 2013 18:12 GMT

#151

I am very very puzzled why people are unwilling to send Hopeless. Atm there is nothing that for me implies he is scum, people use some bullshit reasoning for dismissing him from the team without even trying to figure out his alignment and i find that very very fishy.

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December 27 2013 18:24 GMT

#153

On December 28 2013 03:18 Koshi wrote:

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How?

Yoi say you want to send the most towniest people but you have already decided some people in the game can't possibly prove their towniness nor are you trying to figure out their alignment.

raynpelikoneet

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December 27 2013 20:11 GMT

#158

CR could you answer my question i asked you last night?

raynpelikoneet

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December 27 2013 21:16 GMT

#160

omfg what?

raynpelikoneet

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December 27 2013 21:25 GMT

#162

So what if everyone just stops talking and vote yes fo Adam's team (whatever it is)?
What can you tell us if there is 1 sabotage?

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December 27 2013 21:27 GMT

#163

On December 27 2013 15:22 Chairman Ray wrote:

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On December 27 2013 15:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:

On December 27 2013 14:44 Chairman Ray wrote:

On December 27 2013 13:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So everybody is basically saying the same thing over and over again. There are 6 townies. If you exclude yourself there are 5 townies. Even the last missions require only max 5 people. You can select an all town team even if you exclude yourself. Therefore, in case you are considered not necessarily town and your team would be refused if you are in it, it's better to select other people. If you select a team which gets 8 nay votes, it tells us nothing. Voting patterns are the most important thing (obviously besides mission results) in this game because there are no flips.

Anyone who refuses to cooperate in mission selection as a leader and pushes through a selection that is doomed to get a fuckton of nay votes should not go a mission. That's what i think.

On December 27 2013 12:08 Chairman Ray wrote:
There are definitely situations where the leader would not put himself in. It would probably be best to analyse this case by case when these kinds of situations arise, because I always find that people suggesting sub-optimal teams, getting rejected, and letting the next good team pass gives more information than people doing the right play in the first place. We get information for why they chose the team, who approved the team, and who rejected it.

Anyways, other than Koshi who wants to be in, are there any other suggestions on who should be sent on the first mission? Since it's the first one, I'm alright with any team that goes in.

I think you are scum because of this. In 5 pl setup this works because it's actually better to pass the first mission as scum, in 9 pl setup this is different and not necessarily true. Seems to me like an attempt to stop the conversation before it even started.

CR - Does Koshi seem town to you? Why?

Why does not asserting for myself or a specific person to go on the first mission mean I'm scum? Is the logic that since scum will want to fail the first mission, then if I am town, I need to get into the mission to reduce the chances that there will be scum in there?

You are supposed to suggest an all town team, for every mission.
You don't seem to be giving any shits who goes onto a mission 1 and who doesn't. It's not only results and voting that wins the game, it's the discussion behind picks and people's responses on top of that.

What you said was basically "just pick some people who want to go on a mission and let's get over with it".
That's scummy.

I don't agree with that, but we can revisit this subject on day 2 if you want.

Anyway, we need to get some picks on the table. If Adam doesn't have any solid picks right now, we can throw some names on the table to discuss, and if Adam agrees, then he can put them up for a vote.

On December 27 2013 15:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Exactly what do you not agree with?

Please answer this. I just want to know what you disagree with, not why.

raynpelikoneet

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December 27 2013 22:59 GMT

#166

Yeah CR is scum.

raynpelikoneet

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December 27 2013 23:07 GMT

#167

I think that's a good team Adam.

raynpelikoneet

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December 28 2013 00:14 GMT

#172

Corazon what's your read on CR?

raynpelikoneet

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December 28 2013 00:14 GMT

#173

also Adam are you here?

raynpelikoneet

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December 28 2013 00:43 GMT

#175

Corazon i think CR is giving out half-arsed opinions and not explaining them. I do not like that. I also do not like he is not willing to put any effort into figuring people's alignments on D1.

I would swap Adam with you, that would be my top team atm. I think VE is town too, but it's not a strong read. Adam is null for me. Koshi does not look too fancy, Grack & Sentinel are quite meh, haven't seen any strong opinions from them, and i think CR is scum for what i said.

raynpelikoneet

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December 28 2013 06:26 GMT

#182

So Adam why have you not yay voted your team?

raynpelikoneet

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December 28 2013 19:40 GMT

#196

I am voting Nay because of Adam's refusal to vote yay and to talk in general.

raynpelikoneet

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December 28 2013 19:56 GMT

#198

CR, why are you talking about spy strategies?
There are some people who have not played resistance and in case there are spies amongst them they are more likely to slip. No need to tell people how to play if they are spies.

raynpelikoneet

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December 28 2013 20:14 GMT

#200

What, it's not sure the mission will go, there are not 5 yay's.

raynpelikoneet

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December 28 2013 23:52 GMT

#214

Why didn't you tell that in the first place then? There is no reason to not answer when someone asks you something.
Who would you pick as the fourth member right now if you were to send in a 4 man team?