TL Mafia LXIV: A Game of Intrigue

On December 22 2013 12:17 LSB wrote:
Yay! XLIV advertisement! Join and the RNG gods may favor you!

It was getting kindof hairy towards the end due to all of the modkills, but with Grack outing himself and artanis being shot, it really sealed the deal for the game for the mafia. Mafia gave up way to early. Without the fakeclaim, grack might be able to survive a lynch and artanis was under no suspicion.

Strictly speaking, when it came down to lynch time, the town was pretty accurate getting 2/3 of the only lynches that were debated to a degree.

I think this is the first game where I was alive at the very end, so this is a new record for me


^This. Many many town victories have been at hand do to overeager bussing

On December 28 2013 17:45 StorrZerg wrote:
sitting out this game

On December 29 2013 08:02 LSB wrote:
Buuuuuuuuummmmmmp!

On January 01 2014 06:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
if anyone tries to make a posting time/activity based case on me im going to hack your ip address

On January 01 2014 10:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Alak I don't even believe you own a phone. So there.

On January 10 2014 03:35 Captain Obvious wrote:
/in

On January 10 2014 03:47 LSB wrote:
OOPS, are you guys fine if I change the start time to Saturday, Jan 11 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00)?

On January 10 2014 03:48 marvellosity wrote:
just start the game when you're ready, people aren't that picky

On January 10 2014 07:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok now I'm confused. What time does this crazy shit start? 7:00 PM EST?
Also, how does one pronounce 'doge?'
I've always assumed it was 'doje.'

On January 10 2014 09:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i might /out i don't think i can tolerate it for a second

On January 10 2014 11:19 LSB wrote:
I don't get it. I feel old. And I can't even drink

On January 10 2014 12:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Can we agree now not to use IRC as the main means of communication in the thread? Often in PM games, so much is done privately that there is very little information for a player like me, who will not be logged in very often and probably logging in every few hours or so to check the thread, to glean and use. Let's have an active thread. While town circles in PM can be very effective, I think there's no reason for the thread to be any less than 70% as active as usual. IRC moves too quickly and the logs are annoying to read, let's use PMs responsibly.

On January 11 2014 04:15 Xatalos wrote:


I hope I roll town then :D Blue would be best. I've played like 10 games and I've only been blue in a themed game where everyone was blue (and my role was relatively weak). Well, I guess I was blue in Nuclear Mafia as well, but I completely misused my role (as did others with the same weird role).

On January 11 2014 05:32 Koshi wrote:
We need +1 to run host set up.

On January 11 2014 06:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

i like all dogs of course

On January 11 2014 10:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

Cool, now participate in the current discussion. Should the mayor ever hammer? What do you think of BH on kush?

On January 11 2014 11:48 Xatalos wrote:


.....What? What was the meaning of his first post then?

Alakaslam better explain the meaning of this.

On January 11 2014 12:05 Xatalos wrote:


You said you're initiating a chat, yet BH PM'd you? Can you explain more closely?

On January 11 2014 12:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Blazinghand who did you PM about supporting DrH?

On January 11 2014 12:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's important on N1 because obviously bules should claim to the mayor.

On January 11 2014 16:38 VisceraEyes wrote:

Walk me through it while I care. I know I just got here, but I'd like to know the substance of your suspicion if any.

Do you want more reasoning for why I'm fine with DocH as mayor, or can you just read his filter so far and figure it out?

On January 11 2014 17:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I just got back from Friday Night Magic so I'm going to respond to the thread. I'd rather give the mayor role to someone I was maybe 70% sure was town but know would be effective than someone who I was 100% sure is town but had no confidence in. Scum mayor is a high pressure situation and if they're afraid to use or threaten the hammer at all, or kind of sit back with the role and play it safe I'll probably push them on Day 3 if I'm still alive. It'd be worth losing the mayor role to catch a mafia tbh, but of course I wouldn't vote for anyone I find suspicious. That's why I'm running anyway.



Dropping the hammer, off the threatened player.

So I threaten hammer on Player C who is accused Day 2, Player C either shitposts or dips out of the thread entirely. I will not drop the hammer but encourage everyone to lynch Player C. If there is a concerted effort to misdirect the vote off of C or people start to lose confidence for a dumb reason, that is when I would exercise the power to hammer the player. Partly because town should never ever do that and partly because I'd like to foster a town environment where that kind of wishy washy shit doesn't happen.

I agree more or less with yamato's reads so far. I'd bet like five dollars at this point (let's say that means I'm around 40% sure) that either marvellosity or bloodycobbler are mafia. Marv said he's high in a PM to me and BC sometimes doesn't read when he's not interested and I'm not going to call for anyones head until they defend themselves, but they can not be allowed to continue playing passively. All Marv did when he PM'd me today is basically try to make me doubt myself, then not push it/argue when I didn't agree, and ask me sort of easy questions? There wasn't really any point to the communication, I couldn't figure out what he was getting at as town but maybe he was just bored. Either way, it's not good.

So, BH PM'd me his post about voting for me like an hour or two before he posted it, that's really strange? I think he was gauging for my reaction to it but all I did was comment on the bit about the miller, I didn't thank him or tell him anything I thought about his support in and of itself, because I was immediately put off by a move like that. I told Marv what happened and he says oh well it's just BH being BH, it's not interesting, which I am also put off by because that's an easy excuse not to examine his intentions. I demand that BH explains his intentions. He still seems to think a kush lynch is the best option, so why not continue your campaign yourself? All you have to do is use the hammer in the way I've explained, if you think that's a good idea, you can get what you want and what I argued for? Says to me he doesn't really care about his own lynch at all and that's not a good sign. Please explain.



I don't think it's fair to call me a non-contributing player for talking about policy and derailing a shitty policy lynch like an hour or two into the game, when I've been pretty busy all night. I don't think talking about policy is useless at all actually, I think it's the best thing or really the only thing to do on Day 1. I've expressed this sentiment before, outside of being in a game, so I can promise you that viewpoint is not connected to my alignment in any way. Scum have been caught straight up this way before. Like Promethelax in LX who argued about policy lynches on Day 1 then didn't follow through with his own logic then martyred himself over getting caught.

Just the way people respond to the mayoral campaigns and policy ideas can be very telling. I.E if they spend all their time devaluing other peoples ideas and complaining that no one is scumhunting when they aren't doing anything else except throwing negativity on what other people are doing - with no clear goal in mind. The player who agreed with the kush lynch is highly suspect as well, here's some trademark laziness from me - i'm not gonna look back and find out who that is rn - but i'm pretty sure someone said the kush lynch seemed like a good idea or is "okay with me" and if I was a dayvig I'd have a strong urge to shoot that person right away. Wouldn't do it. But I'd have a strong urge.

I apologize for not having rock solid scumreads and that I'm not ready to kill anyone right now. Hopefully my intentions to pressure marv/BC into being active and BH into explaining himself count as contribution. I'd also like to see rayn do something other than post one liners and cast doubt on others. If I am expected as town to be doing some kind of amazing scumhunting right now, then you are too. Unfortunately, I scum hunt at my pace and on my time and not yours and I prefer to keep town on a need to know basis. There are plenty of other players that have piqued my interest or said things that stood out to me. I find making constant lists of everyone I find mildly suspicious absolutely worthless, I can say I already have ideas forming about who and how to pressure certain people when I'm more alert in the morning and that I can promise that it will be made very apparent in the second half of Day 1.

On January 11 2014 18:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't hate the way you play. I think you are just using many words to say very little.

On January 11 2014 18:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

all you've done is ask me questions and tell people not to vote for me, you're worthless basically

On January 11 2014 18:27 thrawn2112 wrote:


lol.. sounds like someone we know, doesn't it rayn?

On January 11 2014 18:30 Mocsta wrote:

tell these losers I'm town.

On January 11 2014 18:34 Mocsta wrote:

Get lost troll.

On January 11 2014 18:45 Mocsta wrote:

You're scum because you're treating me seriously.

Everyone else is ignoring me.

I will vote mayor for anyone that will lynch slam.

On January 11 2014 19:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I thought DrH was just one of your top scumreads a while agao? What changed your mind?

On January 11 2014 19:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Elaborate more please. I can't know how you reached to the conclusion because i don't see your thought process in thread. Nor does anyone else.

On January 11 2014 19:21 Mocsta wrote:

Thats how we all feel about your play, each and every game.

On January 11 2014 19:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
hmm i am willing to bet that when we share pm reads our reads end up reaching many people, anonymously or not

what if the thread gains consciousness? what do we do then?

On January 11 2014 19:33 Mocsta wrote:

Now ppl like you know how ppl like "us" feel all the time.

On January 12 2014 07:45 Blazinghand wrote:
well i retract any reason of lynchinig kush! don't lynch him as he is actually vayne

On January 12 2014 07:56 Blazinghand wrote:


this is categorically true though, town de facto controls who gets the powers since you vote the mayor in

On January 12 2014 07:56 VisceraEyes wrote:

Dost thou not have thine own opinions and thine own will?

On January 12 2014 07:58 marvellosity wrote:
Slam isn't getting elected, and no mayor is having their powers WotC, this is an exceptionally silly conversation that should be stopped.

On January 12 2014 08:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm withdrawing from the mayoral campaign and I will ##Vote: yamato77

On January 12 2014 08:12 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't see why DR.H would make such an abrupt move when has the momentum as scum, only draws suspicion. Probably just has legit reasons for not wanting to continue like he said.

Although, I don't agree with his yamato pick as a stand in.

On January 12 2014 08:20 yamato77 wrote:
I really hate people that make no attempt whatsoever to opt in to the conversations in the thread and instead cop out with silly campaigns/unexplained and or bad votes.

I will lynch in this group of players.

On January 12 2014 08:29 yamato77 wrote:

Why do you trust DrH's judgment so much?

On January 12 2014 08:31 VayneAuthority wrote:


there is no difference at all between his scum and town play

On January 12 2014 08:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Alakaslam is too bad to be scum

On January 12 2014 08:39 marvellosity wrote:

? It's not even a debate. You have a strong town player as mayor who can actually guide town in later days instead of town falling apart as happens 100% of the time in large games when mafia kill off the leaders.

On January 12 2014 08:41 marvellosity wrote:
I prefer yamato, rayn, or maybe me tomorrow.

On January 12 2014 15:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because I think yamato will just kill someone he doesn't like.

On January 12 2014 15:46 Coagulation wrote:
Mr Kaslam bringing the pro town.

On January 12 2014 15:46 Coagulation wrote:
Mr Kaslizm bringing the pro town.

On January 12 2014 16:09 yamato77 wrote:

I should lynch you just for this silly sentiment alone.

Wave isn't even running, and Rayn/Marv are both other potential candidates, but instead of voting for me, or either of them, you vote for a guy who spent a long ass post explaining precisely why he WAS NOT interested in being mayor.

On January 13 2014 08:09 marvellosity wrote:
Can anyone find a single suspicion in VE's filter other than a vague mention of Captain Obvious?

Does that even make VE in particular scummy?

On January 13 2014 08:15 Aquanim wrote:

Well when I PM'd him (it's pasted in the thread somewhere) VE said he was suspicious of you (Marv) and Mocsta, but he'd had difficulty convincing anyone else. When I asked him for his reasons, he stone-walled me.

Can anybody else report that VE actually mentioned these reads on Mocsta or Marv to them, and that he actually tried to convince them?

On January 13 2014 08:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
VE hasn't responded to a PM I sent over 12 hours ago asking for his reads, I doubt he has that many PMs...

On January 13 2014 08:17 suchdoge wrote:


1. He's not active in PMs
2. He wasted his vote
3. He's not in here talking about reads
4. He doesn't seem to have reads
5. He's not complaining about there being so many lurkers/useless people
6. His tone is very nonconfrontational
7. He hasn't grown the balls to attack anyone yet

All of these point to scum VE

On January 13 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Could you show the arguments?

On January 13 2014 08:29 suchdoge wrote:



Post your logs with VE then please, ASAP

Original Message From VisceraEyes:
Yeah, it's just history. I mean if he's scum he could be hiding behind it to avoid commenting on me for whatever reason, but I'm also reading him as town presently.

On January 13 2014 08:36 suchdoge wrote:
Wait wtf I don't understand.

Was that everything?

On January 13 2014 08:36 Aquanim wrote:

Alak, is there a message you sent him at the end left out of that chain?

On January 13 2014 09:02 LSB wrote:

Night 1

Marvellosity has been officially elected king of the nation.

On January 13 2014 09:06 marvellosity wrote:
I don't like that imagery, bitch :p

On January 14 2014 10:49 VayneAuthority wrote:


you could tell slam was being manipulated from the thread, thats for sure. I really wanted to kill him asap