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On December 18 2013 05:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 05:01 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 18 2013 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: JJD you have yet to answer, who do you want to lynch today? Xatalos. He's 100% scum while there's a chance I'm wrong about Plu. But on the next day, if you people lynch a an uncountered cop than we deserve to lose. So why the fuck are you arguing about this now unless you are scum? What are you trying to do? Tell us who we need to lynch tomorrow? Why? Uh why not? Should we all just AFK untill the flip?
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On December 18 2013 05:14 Plutarch wrote: If we lynch grack tomorrow if I am the serial killer I get lynched the following day and lose. But If I am town and we lynch grack tomorrow town almost certainly wins. NO. And you know this isn't true so stop lying.
I already explained but if this is the case then on the next day it likely becomes:
2 town 2 scum 1 SK
We cant lynch you or we lose. So please explain why you're lying.
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On December 18 2013 05:24 Plutarch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 05:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 18 2013 05:14 Plutarch wrote: If we lynch grack tomorrow if I am the serial killer I get lynched the following day and lose. But If I am town and we lynch grack tomorrow town almost certainly wins. NO. And you know this isn't true so stop lying. I already explained but if this is the case then on the next day it likely becomes: 2 town 2 scum 1 SK We cant lynch you or we lose. So please explain why you're lying. I would still lose as the SK cause town would lynch me. You keep making these arguments based on my true, town, win condition and then calling me the sk. Really dumb. Why would town lynch you? You're saying that the town would lynch you knowing for a fact that as soon as you flip, the game ends and we lose?
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On December 18 2013 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 05:24 Plutarch wrote:On December 18 2013 05:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 18 2013 05:14 Plutarch wrote: If we lynch grack tomorrow if I am the serial killer I get lynched the following day and lose. But If I am town and we lynch grack tomorrow town almost certainly wins. NO. And you know this isn't true so stop lying. I already explained but if this is the case then on the next day it likely becomes: 2 town 2 scum 1 SK We cant lynch you or we lose. So please explain why you're lying. I would still lose as the SK cause town would lynch me. You keep making these arguments based on my true, town, win condition and then calling me the sk. Really dumb. Actually that's not true if that was the situation because at this point town needs to lynch mafia. I've pointed this out 3 times and Plu just keeps repeating the same lie . Do you honestly believe that Plu doesn't understand this? You must have no respect for his game if you think he's just being dumb.
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On December 18 2013 05:27 Plutarch wrote: That is true but he also assumes the SK would be shooting town which I don;t think is true at this point either. What are you talking about? We just established that if ur the SK and you shoot town, the town can't lynch you. WHy would you shoot @ scum and allow yourself to be lynched?
Is there even a single person that is buying this?
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On December 18 2013 05:30 Plutarch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 05:28 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 18 2013 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 18 2013 05:24 Plutarch wrote:On December 18 2013 05:22 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 18 2013 05:14 Plutarch wrote: If we lynch grack tomorrow if I am the serial killer I get lynched the following day and lose. But If I am town and we lynch grack tomorrow town almost certainly wins. NO. And you know this isn't true so stop lying. I already explained but if this is the case then on the next day it likely becomes: 2 town 2 scum 1 SK We cant lynch you or we lose. So please explain why you're lying. I would still lose as the SK cause town would lynch me. You keep making these arguments based on my true, town, win condition and then calling me the sk. Really dumb. Actually that's not true if that was the situation because at this point town needs to lynch mafia. I've pointed this out 3 times and Plu just keeps repeating the same lie . Do you honestly believe that Plu doesn't understand this? You must have no respect for his game if you think he's just being dumb. I honestly just haven't thought a lot about night kills or the SK win condition. Too busy catching your whole scum team. Hue. OK, now that I've shot down your entire argument so hard that the best defense you can come up with is "Golly gee, I guess I just wasn't paying attention"
I will state again that the only way Grack gets voted off tomorrow is if he gets countered. Anyone that thinks that keeping the cop secret when it could mean the town losing the game is not interested in winning.
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On December 18 2013 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: So JJD if Grack is cop and you are town who are the rest of the scumteam? Sorry forgot to answer this: Sidespring, and then either Slam or xigxag.
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Why would Grack make this play as scum? To save someone that claimed scum? Think, people!
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On December 18 2013 05:47 Plutarch wrote: Cause you only need one mislynch to win? Can you just admit that this is a lie now to save me the time it will take to prove you wrong, have you deny that I proved you wrong 3 times, and then eventually admit I was right and then u can claim "Golly gee, I guess I just wasn't paying attention"?
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On December 18 2013 05:54 Plutarch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 05:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 18 2013 05:47 Plutarch wrote: Cause you only need one mislynch to win? Can you just admit that this is a lie now to save me the time it will take to prove you wrong, have you deny that I proved you wrong 3 times, and then eventually admit I was right and then u can claim "Golly gee, I guess I just wasn't paying attention"? If town mislynches we are pretty much done. I don't care about the pedantry of it. So no. OK, that's twice now that you lied, were proven wrong, and admitted it.
So I ask again:On December 18 2013 05:45 JarJarDrinks wrote: Why would Grack make this play as scum? To save someone that claimed scum? Think, people!
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On December 18 2013 05:47 Plutarch wrote: he is getting counterclaimed so further discussion is pointless now you outed yourselves completely. Calling it right now that Plu is gonna have some bullshit reason when this doesn't happen.
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On December 18 2013 06:07 Plutarch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 06:06 Grackaroni wrote:On December 18 2013 06:06 Plutarch wrote:On December 18 2013 06:05 Grackaroni wrote:On December 18 2013 06:03 Plutarch wrote:On December 18 2013 05:59 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 18 2013 05:54 Plutarch wrote:On December 18 2013 05:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 18 2013 05:47 Plutarch wrote: Cause you only need one mislynch to win? Can you just admit that this is a lie now to save me the time it will take to prove you wrong, have you deny that I proved you wrong 3 times, and then eventually admit I was right and then u can claim "Golly gee, I guess I just wasn't paying attention"? If town mislynches we are pretty much done. I don't care about the pedantry of it. So no. OK, that's twice now that you lied, were proven wrong, and admitted it. So I ask again: On December 18 2013 05:45 JarJarDrinks wrote: Why would Grack make this play as scum? To save someone that claimed scum? Think, people! Because he is desperate or bad or both. Why would he do it as town? He could have said nothing, got another check off I would not have been night killed like scum planned in thread and bam easy lynch. Why a real cop check me night two after I was a major contributor to lynching scum? Why would a real cop not claim until 4 hours before the lynch? Why would a real cop place breadcrumbs 1 hour before he claims? Because I wasn't going to claim and then I got annoyed with your response and decided I'd just lynch you. It's all been explained. It was rhetorical. A real cop would not do any of those things. You don't need to answer me scum. A real cop just did all of those things. I don;t see why you bother when you are going to get counter claimed. Keep laying it on thick so u can act real surprised when it doesn't happen.
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On December 18 2013 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 05:45 JarJarDrinks wrote: Why would Grack make this play as scum? To save someone that claimed scum? Think, people! You should ask why would he make this play if he is town and is not trying to get the SK lynched? Ok people, really think about this.
Here's Plu's response:On December 18 2013 05:47 Plutarch wrote:
Cause you only need one mislynch to win? and you were in the shit so you went for a gambit. OK aside from the fact that we already established that this is blatenly untrue, I'd like to point something else out:
If Grack is scum then there was absolutely no way this play could have worked no matter what.
If people actually moved their vote off the claimed scum to lynch Plu (however unlikely), then the real cop counters. It's that simple. No cop is gonna allow a mislynch to happen.
Now sure, scum finds out who the cop is, but they'd out Grack to do so. Explain to me in what universe is this a scum play?
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And I bet I know what's gonna happen after all this. After we lynch Plu tomorrow due to there being no cop claim, everyone is gonna be all "How did JJD know that Grack was telling truths? He must be scum". I don't wanna hear that shit. It's pretty obvious once u give it some thought.
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On December 18 2013 12:01 Plutarch wrote: If grack does not 'check' Xigxag we should lynch him. Wait, Ur not gonna push Gracks lynch regardless?
Seems like a wierd statement to make about someone that you know for a fact is scum.
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BTW, Plu wants Grack to check Xigxag because Plu thinks Xigxag is town. Which makes it more unlikely that scum kills Grack. Plu is afraid that if Grack doesn't telegraph who he's checking, scum will kill him to prevent a red check.
Unless someone else has another idea why Plu would be so concerned about who Grack says he's checking?
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On December 18 2013 13:52 Blazinghand wrote: JJD, of the 6, which 3 in your opinion should be the group that Grack checks into? sidesprang and alakaslam are my top 2 picks for sure. Then I guess art since I have townreads on rayne and LSB.
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On December 18 2013 19:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 14:04 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 18 2013 13:52 Blazinghand wrote: JJD, of the 6, which 3 in your opinion should be the group that Grack checks into? sidesprang and alakaslam are my top 2 picks for sure. Then I guess art since I have townreads on rayne and LSB. Can I ask what your motivation is for having a townread on LSB over me I've said a few times that I don't think the purple/LSB interaction early game was faked. And LSB went after purple quite a bit this game.
Furthermore, LSB has had pretty much identical reads to me this game for the most part.
On December 18 2013 19:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: and why you left XigXag out of this list? Simple answer to that. BH said to pick from this list:On December 18 2013 13:47 Blazinghand wrote: artanis lsb jjd sidesprang rayn alakaslam I don't think you're scum. But I really don't think think Rayn or LSB is.
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On December 18 2013 22:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 22:26 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 18 2013 19:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On December 18 2013 14:04 JarJarDrinks wrote:On December 18 2013 13:52 Blazinghand wrote: JJD, of the 6, which 3 in your opinion should be the group that Grack checks into? sidesprang and alakaslam are my top 2 picks for sure. Then I guess art since I have townreads on rayne and LSB. Can I ask what your motivation is for having a townread on LSB over me I've said a few times that I don't think the purple/LSB interaction early game was faked. And LSB went after purple quite a bit this game. Furthermore, LSB has had pretty much identical reads to me this game for the most part. On December 18 2013 19:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: and why you left XigXag out of this list? Simple answer to that. BH said to pick from this list: On December 18 2013 13:47 Blazinghand wrote: artanis lsb jjd sidesprang rayn alakaslam I don't think you're scum. But I really don't think think Rayn or LSB is. What interaction between LSB-Purple make you feel that LSB is less likely to be scum from it than my interactions with Xatalos? That's a good point and actually havent went back and reread since the Xat flip/scumclaim. But like I said, I don't think you're scum. I'd rather replace U w/ xigxag but BH wanted 3 from that so I had to pick someone.
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On December 19 2013 04:02 Grackaroni wrote: BH what do you think about Rayn? potential scummer? Rayn got purple lynched. If it wasn't for Rayne, that lynch would not have happened. Yes, there's always the possibility of a bus for towncred but it's incredibly unlikely. There's a difference between a bus and completely getting the town to lynch your teammate.
And the fact that there's a SK in this game and rayne could easily just get NKed and it's just not worth entertaining the thought.
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