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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 02 2013 07:05 GMT
#1085
Mocsta were you coaching the last newbie game / have you read the game?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 02 2013 07:07 GMT
#1088
On December 02 2013 16:06 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta were you coaching the last newbie game / have you read the game?

No and no.

I take it someone of interest is from there?

Is this Newbie L?

Yeah i suggest you look at OdinOfPergo's filter from that game and reconsider your read on him. that's like the easiest townread there is.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 02 2013 07:10 GMT
#1091
On December 02 2013 16:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
WHY DOESNT ANYONE WANT TO TALK TO ME.

The following people are town:
raynpelikoneet, supersoft, geript, OdinOfPergo, Storrzerg, sandroba, gtrsrs, Oatsmaster, justanothertownie, VisceraEyes, Mocsta.

You obviously disagree with geript but i do not think there is much to talk about it because i can just say "i don't think he is faking it". What about others?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 02 2013 07:11 GMT
#1092
On December 02 2013 16:09 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2013 16:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 02 2013 16:06 Mocsta wrote:
On December 02 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta were you coaching the last newbie game / have you read the game?

No and no.

I take it someone of interest is from there?

Is this Newbie L?

Yeah i suggest you look at OdinOfPergo's filter from that game and reconsider your read on him. that's like the easiest townread there is.

Half that game is in this one. Awesome.

Umm... are you referring to this post text-block structure?

Cos the similarity jumps out at me immediately.. lol

<or the content/phrasing>

He has absolutely no idea what to do as scum and is the definition of wishy-washyness and insecureness.
Does it look like that in this game?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 02 2013 07:12 GMT
#1094
Care to elaborate?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 02 2013 07:16 GMT
#1100
I think VE is town for his contributions on D1. I think you are scum for calling him town for his contributions from N0 because he was definitely not townie back then.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 02 2013 07:17 GMT
#1102
And btw i had my vote on Sloosh in Sicilian D1, not on VE.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 02 2013 07:18 GMT
#1103
On December 02 2013 16:12 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2013 16:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 02 2013 16:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
WHY DOESNT ANYONE WANT TO TALK TO ME.

The following people are town:
raynpelikoneet, supersoft, geript, OdinOfPergo, Storrzerg, sandroba, gtrsrs, Oatsmaster, justanothertownie, VisceraEyes, Mocsta.

You obviously disagree with geript but i do not think there is much to talk about it because i can just say "i don't think he is faking it". What about others?

Personally, I think you're blindsided for considering so many people town this early on. So I find it hard to take all of your claims seriously. what are you trying to accomplish by holding hands with everybody

I am holding hands only with people i think are town.
Which of those reads you disagree on?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 02 2013 07:23 GMT
#1110
On December 02 2013 16:18 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2013 16:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 02 2013 16:09 Mocsta wrote:
On December 02 2013 16:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 02 2013 16:06 Mocsta wrote:
On December 02 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta were you coaching the last newbie game / have you read the game?

No and no.

I take it someone of interest is from there?

Is this Newbie L?

Yeah i suggest you look at OdinOfPergo's filter from that game and reconsider your read on him. that's like the easiest townread there is.

Half that game is in this one. Awesome.

Umm... are you referring to this post text-block structure?

Cos the similarity jumps out at me immediately.. lol

<or the content/phrasing>

He has absolutely no idea what to do as scum and is the definition of wishy-washyness and insecureness.
Does it look like that in this game?

hmm. I dont see it personally.
I skimmed his Mafia L (roleblocker) filter
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&user=OdinOfPergo&view=all
and I thought a lot of his accusations were quite bold. The only wishywashiness I saw was his use of adjectives to diminish his accusations.

You seem to be playing level headed, and there is certainly credit that you just coached him. But I don't see enough to state hes a STRONG town read. Maybe slight town lean but hes certainly not off-limits from being pressured I think.

+ Show Spoiler +
OdinofPergo
10-31-2013
01:35 AM ET (US)
omg... am I that transparent?! It is really hard for me to post pointless arguments.
The longer I have to make the post.... The more this increases.
GG. inb4 I lose the game for us!

OdinofPergo
10-31-2013
01:33 AM ET (US)
@Rayn, can I do anything to try to pull pressure off either OWB or Poof without appearing as scum?
They both look worse than me.
I want to try to deflect but the only way I can think of how to do it would involve throwing myself under the bus.
Which I'm not sure I get out of again.

raynpelikoneet
10-31-2013
01:33 AM ET (US)
Also i can see it's really hard for you to play as scum OOP. Don't worry, it is for some people.
You did really good in the last game you played in.
Loosen it up a bit and just try to have some fun! ^^
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 02 2013 07:30 GMT
#1114
On December 02 2013 16:19 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2013 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 02 2013 16:12 Kenpachi wrote:
On December 02 2013 16:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 02 2013 16:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
WHY DOESNT ANYONE WANT TO TALK TO ME.

The following people are town:
raynpelikoneet, supersoft, geript, OdinOfPergo, Storrzerg, sandroba, gtrsrs, Oatsmaster, justanothertownie, VisceraEyes, Mocsta.

You obviously disagree with geript but i do not think there is much to talk about it because i can just say "i don't think he is faking it". What about others?

Personally, I think you're blindsided for considering so many people town this early on. So I find it hard to take all of your claims seriously. what are you trying to accomplish by holding hands with everybody

I am holding hands only with people i think are town.
Which of those reads you disagree on?

all of them. what the hell? you're avoiding the question

I think i have explained the reads on Oats, Odin, VE, gtrsrs and supersoft.
Sandroba had a really pro-town end of N0.
Mocsta is being reasonable and has good thoughts and questions for people.
geript is a meta-read and started scumhunting asap on N0 and noticed jay's terribad post. Had really good posts overall.
JAT is being reasonable and wants to work together regarding plans and calls out people for their bad posts.
StorrZerg the same.

I don't see your point. N0 in PYP's it's more beneficial to find townies than to find scum because you should put townies in top of draft order to ensure good roles are picked by town. Therefore i have way more townreads than scumreads, i have been townhunting more than scumhunting. Am i not allowed to have 10 townreads in a game where there is like 25 townies? If you disagree with them why don't you tell me where i am wrong or question me about the reads? Why just say "you can't do this".

In last PYP i found 6 townies in the first 24h. So no, it's not unreasonable at all to have 10 townreads in my opinion.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 02 2013 07:38 GMT
#1117
MZ let's play a game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766&user=visceraeyes
How is this different than this game?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 02 2013 07:39 GMT
#1118
On December 02 2013 16:36 Mocsta wrote:
Rayn,

What do you think of Roffles? //fair enough if you want to wait for him to reply to my last query.

Nothing much. I like his comments on gtrsrs but considering that's the only thing he has had to say i don't have any sort of read on him.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 02 2013 07:42 GMT
#1122
On December 02 2013 16:41 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2013 16:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 02 2013 16:19 Kenpachi wrote:
On December 02 2013 16:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 02 2013 16:12 Kenpachi wrote:
On December 02 2013 16:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 02 2013 16:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
WHY DOESNT ANYONE WANT TO TALK TO ME.

The following people are town:
raynpelikoneet, supersoft, geript, OdinOfPergo, Storrzerg, sandroba, gtrsrs, Oatsmaster, justanothertownie, VisceraEyes, Mocsta.

You obviously disagree with geript but i do not think there is much to talk about it because i can just say "i don't think he is faking it". What about others?

Personally, I think you're blindsided for considering so many people town this early on. So I find it hard to take all of your claims seriously. what are you trying to accomplish by holding hands with everybody

I am holding hands only with people i think are town.
Which of those reads you disagree on?

all of them. what the hell? you're avoiding the question

I think i have explained the reads on Oats, Odin, VE, gtrsrs and supersoft.
Sandroba had a really pro-town end of N0.
Mocsta is being reasonable and has good thoughts and questions for people.
geript is a meta-read and started scumhunting asap on N0 and noticed jay's terribad post. Had really good posts overall.
JAT is being reasonable and wants to work together regarding plans and calls out people for their bad posts.
StorrZerg the same.

I don't see your point. N0 in PYP's it's more beneficial to find townies than to find scum because you should put townies in top of draft order to ensure good roles are picked by town. Therefore i have way more townreads than scumreads, i have been townhunting more than scumhunting. Am i not allowed to have 10 townreads in a game where there is like 25 townies? If you disagree with them why don't you tell me where i am wrong or question me about the reads? Why just say "you can't do this".

In last PYP i found 6 townies in the first 24h. So no, it's not unreasonable at all to have 10 townreads in my opinion.

haha fuck I have to agree bitterly cause its rather right but I don't want to agree with it, cause I feel like a total idiot tbh. And being damned, I'd have to submit to your method for now.

My day 1 is by far the weakest part of my game anyways so I cant criticize you for having a plan when honestly, I'm going to be sitting here considering everyone null. But I would say its hard to call everyone in that group town based on the statistics/intuition.

We'll see about that post-game (i mean how right i was).
Whatcha think of MZ's meta-read on VE based on D0?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 02 2013 07:45 GMT
#1126
I still fail to see how anything gtrsrs has done serves "anti-town agenda". I don't think he is working with any agenda at all, which points towards town. MZ why are you not calling me scum because i said i will pick a KP-role and shoot Oats until he dies?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 02 2013 07:46 GMT
#1128
On December 02 2013 16:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2013 16:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
MZ let's play a game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=403766&user=visceraeyes
How is this different than this game?

I wasn't in this game, what am I looking at here?

It's the last PYP game, where VE was scum. How does his filter differ from this game?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 02 2013 07:49 GMT
#1131
On December 02 2013 16:45 Kenpachi wrote:
The meta read of how VE goes bonkers as town?
Null cause he can go bonkers as mafia with the right stimulation

I can't refer you to the exact game but I'm still butthurt about losing to his double bus spam with toadesstern years ago.
And I guess he hasnt changed much either :p

That's basically my point. I do not think VE did anything alignment indicative on D0, just trolled around. I was trying to provoke him into doing stuff by calling him scum and initially voting for him when D1 started. After that i got the reaction i looked from town!VE.

Right after i voted for VE (all the info there was was from D0) MZ chimed in and said "you are dead wrong on VE". If that is not a town read idk what to say. My point is it's impossible to have a town read on VE based on his posting from D0 unless you know his alignment.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 02 2013 07:54 GMT
#1136
On December 02 2013 16:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2013 16:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 02 2013 16:45 Kenpachi wrote:
The meta read of how VE goes bonkers as town?
Null cause he can go bonkers as mafia with the right stimulation

I can't refer you to the exact game but I'm still butthurt about losing to his double bus spam with toadesstern years ago.
And I guess he hasnt changed much either :p

That's basically my point. I do not think VE did anything alignment indicative on D0, just trolled around. I was trying to provoke him into doing stuff by calling him scum and initially voting for him when D1 started. After that i got the reaction i looked from town!VE.

Right after i voted for VE (all the info there was was from D0) MZ chimed in and said "you are dead wrong on VE". If that is not a town read idk what to say. My point is it's impossible to have a town read on VE based on his posting from D0 unless you know his alignment.

Ok let me address this since I feel like it's causing the biggest issue right now. Give me a second because it's going to take a couple of filters to describe what I see (it would be so much easier if you could just accept that VE is someone I can read, especially since you agree with me now BECAUSE I yelled at you long enough -_-).

That's horribly wrong. I think VE is town because of his posting on D1, not because "you yelled at me".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 02 2013 08:04 GMT
#1147
On December 02 2013 16:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 02 2013 16:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still fail to see how anything gtrsrs has done serves "anti-town agenda". I don't think he is working with any agenda at all, which points towards town. MZ why are you not calling me scum because i said i will pick a KP-role and shoot Oats until he dies?

It was his post about the quality of the thread that really set me off since it was such bullshit and he then proceeded to post more bullshit. Scum love threads where there is a lot of bullshit and that's what he was contributing to.

As to your second point, I have a town read on you, I haven't paid too much attention to oats but if you have kp and decide to shoot him I'd appreciate we discuss it first.

Actually I have no idea what your second point is about. If you're asking me as to why I don't have a meta read on you it's because I haven't played with you as much/I don't remember you very much from previous games.

My point is this. You are calling gtrsrs scum because he is working with scum-agenda. I assume this is because he got a vanilla role and posted about voting for anyone who picked "his role".

What's the difference between that and my posts like this:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 30 2013 20:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2013 20:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
On November 30 2013 20:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On November 30 2013 20:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
On November 30 2013 20:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Have you read anything i have written Oats?

you said sandro is scum for xxx reasons.

Which is kinda wrong because sandro wont even post more than once or twice if hes scum.

Whats wrong with SS's vet plan?

So you have not read anything. check.
The problem with assigning vets to top picks is that we should assign townies to top picks. Anything else is idiotic.

So you dont think you can read the vets well enough?
And what exactly am I not reading Rayn?


Of course i can. Read again. I am tired of arguing with you already because you are not making any sense.

On November 30 2013 21:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm picking a KP role and policy shooting Oats until he dies.
Locked.

On November 30 2013 21:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do i look like i care?

On November 30 2013 21:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i don't wanna play in a game where people say making bad posts is a town-tell for anyone and where people say i can't have a scumread on someone based on that they are incapable of posting 10 times / phase as scum.

I honestly don't give a fuck if you lynch me. I couldn't care less because lately TL town have been absolutely crap. Me + Risen should get top 2 spots and then we just shoot stupidity. That's the best plan.

On November 30 2013 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't even care if Oats is scum or town, he can't possibly have good reads if his reasoning for his reads is what it seems like..


Because both can be labeled as frustration or "shitting up the thread" based on which side you look at it from. If you are looking at gtrsrs' posts from "shitting up the thread" point of view why the hell do you have a townread on me?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 02 2013 08:12 GMT
#1154
Oh jesus, it's 10 am. Probably should go to bed.

tbh i am not enough confident in voting for anyone at this point. MZ might be scum or town, idk yet, he's been quite reasonably trying to explain himself and that to me indicates he actually believes in stuff he says - whether or not it's right or wrong.

Need to see more people posting. Good night morning guys!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 02 2013 09:51 GMT
#1164
You can just look at my list of townies and pick from there.
Curious, why not on N1?
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