Okay I'm sorry I didn't push through with mig's last reads even though I thought they were likely correct. I got doubts when looking at the votes and picks and was too tired to think about the game. I bring you now the reason why mocsta is scum:
First of all the post he made day 1 that made me look into him:
On December 02 2013 14:50 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 14:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta, can you give me quick reads on the following people (a couple of words will do fine):
supersoft, geript, OdinOfPergo, Storrzerg, sandroba, gtrsrs, Oatsmaster, justanothertownie.
SS - Null.
Most of his posts are setup speculation which is acceptable either alignment at this phase of the game.
I admit I haven't played with a scum SS; but I also havent played with a pleasant one either. It makes me naturally assume something is different. Hes active though which is a good sign too. Yes, null.
Geript - Soft town lean.
Trolling Geript is null. But this Geript appears to be trying to push the thread into a certain direction - using reasoning vs slander. I also like that he is trying to make "look at me statements" to be noticed. He *wants* the attention. For this stage of the game I think thats pretty townie.
OdinOfPergo - Null to soft scum lean
Very setup oriented filter so i dont place a lot value in having activity. Half the stuff hes takling about I have no idea about because I'm not familiar with LoL. Hes also got an early Day0 obsession with Jay which hasn't relented, yet, he seems to be asking the opinion of others rather than talk to Jay to firm up a read?. This is kinda reminding me of how I approached Storrzerg in Mafia LXIII.
Storrzerg - Null
No idea, nothing really to work off
Sandroba - Null
Sandroba is known for good plans as town so its natural for him to easily receive buy-in // propose something conceived pre-game.
Hes also known for lurking as scum. Hes given reasoning for lack of activity, so I think he will become pretty clear over the next 48hrs especially with roles being out.
gtrsrs - Soft town lean
I hate players like this. Troll. Its pretty light hearted, and the joke he made on Sandroba made me laugh, which is probably a good sign - as joviality is hard to fake. Most of the stuff is selfish setup talk which probably indicates town that will be useless to moving the thread forward i.e. the usual TL sign up these days.
Oatsmaster - ??
It looks like hes trying to stir the pot intentionally.
He seriously couldnt think that SS vet idea was good...
I honestly have no idea how to read this guy anymore, he used to have direction in his pushes as town. Tips??
Justanothertownie - Null to Soft scum lean
He is uncharacteristically active/assertive. The games I played with JAT he was pretty timid. Here he is calling people stupid and just in general seems to be on edge. I find he also talks to Rayn as if auto-assuming Rayn is town. White knighting?
This is a waste of a post with plenty of bullshit to go around. And more it follows the exact same formula as most of JL/MZ posting, a bullshit post on demand after being prompted for reads on people, but as you notice really evasive and not much conclusion to be derived from it.
Then there is the MZ/mocsta fake discussion that I pointed out day 1 and you guys pretty much dismissed it or said that MZ was okay but mocsta looked scummy. You will have to check out their filters for it, because it's too long and I want to make this post objective. This is how it went down:
Mocsta suddenly started calling MZ scum for fabricating reads on easy targets.
MZ answered him after a while and explained his reads to him. Mocsta insisted on some points and required further explanation.
MZ refrained to answer mocsta for a little while, then mocsta got mad and voted MZ.
For whatever reason that 1 vote made MZ extremelly angry and he explained it all over. Mocsta didn't buy the explanation and said that the vote remains.
MZ repeated the exact same explanation and suddenly mocsta was satisfied and moved his 1 vote.
Now as I pointed out day 1 and you are all free to read it over that looked fake as fuck, both from MZ and mocsta end. It has scum fake discussion written all over it. The very next post mocsta made when he gets called out on his fake looking MZ argument he says he still not over the MZ issue and explains why he is still suspicious of MZ. But then he drops it and votes JL because "Definitely didnt like the way he talked about me. Felt like he was trying to +1 onto bullshit.". Can you see the bussing patern here?
Then this post comes. Remember mocsta was adamant on MZ and now was voting another person he considered scum JL.
On December 04 2013 00:01 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 23:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta what do you think of Mocsta?
This is a real question!
I don't find my play fits into any category of my usual standard, because I am barely playing.
Like I said before I'm struggling due to the early game.
Every filter I have read has so much setup talk and I just go "ugggh"
Why can't I be a sheep for once?
But now he is suddenly struggling and want to sheep someone, because "filter have so much setup talk" that he can't get a solid scum read? Really, he seemed pretty conviced about MZ and was asking people about JL. Now he wants not to be noticed anymore. As a mater of fact go back and read the post in which he unvotes JL and moves his vote to Bum. If it weren't for the votes in that post you would think mocsta was actually voting JL and had his doubts about bum being scum, but that's not what happens:
On December 04 2013 01:07 Mocsta wrote:##Unvote
jonnylawFirst off, I think he "stole" my hero - so I might be prejudiced.
Reading his filter I'm at loggerheads.
- I cant follow his reads mid Day1 - they read like checklists and with some of the reads I dont even know if the lean is town or null.
- I find him to be a lot more direct/assertive during the pick phase. Coupled with the point above I find pretty scummy.
- Has a read on OWB/Kush.. that is weird.
On one hand he is making some effort in his filter to push it, and on the other hand I don't feel he is making an effort to strengthen his read by talking to Kush.
- I do like how he plays early Day 1 with Geript/Jay. It felt like he was stopping that feud and then tried to generate discussion with the right level of assertiveness.
- I also misread him earlier when I said he +1'd me. That was prob OMGUS of me. Having said that, I dont see why it is relevant to call me out for making excuses. Doesn't take it anywhere either.
OverallI think he has good potential to be scum.
I really want to see him push his prime read (Kush) more.
+ I'm not sure if knowing he is a newbie is affecting my read.
BumatlargeShow nested quote +On November 30 2013 23:56 bumatlarge wrote:On November 30 2013 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Vote: Graves
good
##Unvote
##Vote: UrgotI know you went afk Mocsta, but if you do come back, please unvote caitlyn and vote LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE ;_;
I dont like this post. To me its overplayed enthusiasm. Realistically, did my vote make a difference to the outcome?
I just dont see the point to it other than filler.
- I noticed in his list of heroes split into town/defensive/mafia that my hero is not listed - even though it had KP.
This makes me wonder what else was left out? Prob a null point, with so many heroes its hard to keep on top of them all.
Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 17:19 bumatlarge wrote:
Mocsta, vote jcarl. You already figured out he was scum before I did.
I don't like this. I never called jcarl scum. Ironically, I take issue with bum here for the blatant
appeal to ego- I'm struggling to follow his train of thought. Still very setup focused
- I dont get his stance on JL. Regarding the accidental vote, I'm not even sure if Bum is reading carefully if he points this out as non-accidental?
- His read on LSB (who I haven't read yet) looks like hes leaving himself a backdoor.
- I dont see where the Geript reads materialised?
- I do like how persistent he is with Jcarl, but I dont know why he is so *certain* of this read. It felt really odd in tone to be included with his SK retort.
OverallI'm really struggling to understand his line of thought/reasoning.
Pick Phase he read like an excited kid gleefully figuring out which present to unwrap on Christmas Day.
Im not getting that anymore. I think its unusual for town to be so stubborn on a lynch candidate this early. I think he also backpedaled his read on LSB when pressured by Marv in a scummy/wishy-washy way.
I'm really disliking the continued setup speculation about powers and ultimates etc as well.
Yeah, I can definitely vote this slot.
##Vote: Bumatlarge
LSB- Vote on me is terrible. At least he dropped it without pressure.
I'm really struggling to read his filter. Its painful.
I disagree with what he is doing on so many levels (role fishing, policy lynching, list summaries) but at the same time I can't imagine a scum player being this ballsy. Surely it would have to set a precedent for bold play.
Considering he was onto bum quite early; i dont see why scum would need to bus. so i am kinda association reading him as town.
This is a very strong indication mocsta is scum. I really have no doubts in my mind anymore, but it gets better.
You can all read Day 2 where suddenly mocsta is over MZ being scum and is pushing austin for most of the day along side with saying that JL is scum with him, but not pushing JL. Austin has to convince mocsta to vote MZ, his original scum read that nobody knows why he has forgotten about, after much talk.
Guess who else mocsta had a personal fake looking discussion with? That's right. And notice that's pretty out of character from JL if you read his other posts:
On December 09 2013 11:31 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2013 11:17 JonnyLaw wrote:
And hey mocsta why you so angry? Anytime something is posted you have to jump on it if you don't agree. You getting a bit nervous?
Nope?
Your in my top 3 scum reads. Its called pressure.
If I'm being offensive, let me know and I can try tone it down a dial.
Works pretty stressful this time of year, so maybe its carrying through - dunno.
On December 09 2013 11:50 JonnyLaw wrote:
Mocsta you don't offend me. Your posting style just comes off nervous and pushy rather than leading and convincing. What I said wasn't referring to your pressure. That's fine.
Coag could be scum. That's what I said. Roffles could be scum. Voting yourself and throwing out random damage are both scummy. Mig's doing the same thing. Comes in, drops some damage and posts a bit of nothing then leaves.
I don't know how to differentiate between the behavior of those three. This becomes more difficult since I don't think kush is scum. He seems misguided but his posts feel genuine, unlike your posting.
Now remeber that mocsta was like JL is the scummiest of all, said it many times day 2, but never tried to get him lynched. What's the first thing he does day 3? Even after coag bombs mkfuba? Goes ahead and vote kushmaster. What in the fuck?? Where did your fucking JL read go that you go ahead and throw it out the window and votes kush?
But when we finally call for a JL shot guess what happens? This post comes:
On December 11 2013 09:58 Mocsta wrote:This game seriously...
*I* have been pushing for a JL lynch since Day fucking One, and everyone disses it -- even when a flipped townie came to the same conclusion as me.
Like fuck this.
My case on JL hasn't changed because hes done *NOTHING* since. The case simply can not evolve; and now suddenly you guys want to shoot him.
don't get me wrong, *PLEASE SHOOT/LYNCH HIM* but this is fucking frustrating.
In my opinion:
The real question should be:With towns limited KP, who do we want to lynch next cycle.
Because there is zero value to shooting someone to 50% and then lynching them....
Thus, to shoot JL we need a solid alternative to consider lynching next cycle.
e.g. Kush or LSB
So either
Shoot JL and lynch 1 of {Kush, LSB}
or
Shoot 1 of {Kush, LSB} and lynch JL
I prefer lynching JL, because I am very confident he is scum.So I advocate shooting someone like LSB --> because he is of higher value to scum as a hero than a VT Kush
Seriously shouldn't you be glad that we just lynched scum and we are shooting your top scum read? No he is apparently pissed off because we are shooting JL for the wrong reasons. Does not compute. Makes no sense. He wants us to not shoot JL. WTF #2.
And then comes double lynch day when mocsta delivers this gem, where he has every reason to vote MZ, HIS ORIGINAL DAY 1 AND 2 READ, but he can't do it because of the 3 way day 2. He doesn't look into the voting, or anything, he just can't do it.
On December 12 2013 15:59 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 09:45 Mocsta wrote:
Im tossing up between {Kush, LSB, MZ, Risen} for my vote today.
Vote (1): Kush -
Show nested quote +On December 08 2013 19:19 kushm4sta wrote:
*snip*
Coag leans town. that is not gospel. That is a light read.
What is IMO gospel is that he is not making up that nuke claim. I doubt scum coag is creative enough to pull that shit out of his ass.
Guy was campaigning to save Coag using faulty logic and just enough wishy-washyness to allow him to move his vote as required.
Tush never talks about JL except for a very bizarre spoiled post:
Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 06:51 kushm4sta wrote:
@JL
Hi I don't know exactly what I did to you but you are coming off as super angry with me, on a PERSONAL level. Like you don't like "my vibe" you said. I am really sorry if I have acted in a way that offended you. If you are more specific with what you don't like about me, I will try to change it.
This itself is a very awkward exchange and reads quite forced to me.
Kush then proceeds to list him as a scum read *ONLY* when hes become a popular choice; never commenting that I have been gunning for JL since Day dot (and as I am Kush's prime scum read, this should have occured)
Vote (2): Between LSB, MZ, Risen
Risen - Has JK power, so may have been a source of scum RB --> again, protecting JL was too obvious a move I think
That aside, his contributions have been weak (which is probably a slight town lean for Risen)
However, I don't understand why Rayn thought Risen is town from the mason logs.
Its all Rayn saying "XYZ" and Risen saying "+1".
Very rarely, if at all, does Risen contribute first. (which i think is a scum lean for anyone).
Overall, Im pretty confused on Risen. I really would expect a scum Risen to be more vocal in general.
If the team is full of "JL" though, hes probably demoralised?? I would think leave this guy alone till later.
MZ - This ult thing is funny & i'm sick of him only coming into the thread when under pressure.
Very similar attitude to jonny regarding thread input.
I would seriously consider him as my second vote.
But I can't get over the austin/roffles/MZ 3-way. In my head, all 3 horses were pretty even. If MZ is scum; I dont see why they wouldnt jump on Austin vs Roffles. This reads to me like they didnt care who was lynched, they just wanted an easy peace-out vote.
LSB - Doesn't give a shit about the game. This is clear - its all token effort.
Doesnt even follow up on his night action summaries - which was his only useful contribution.
I just can't think of a pro for LSB in general.
##Vote: Kush
##Vote: LSB
But obviously after MZ is pretty much gonne then he can do it.
Now there is the obvious HP fumble (and further killing of mig when he could check mocsta hp) and the fact that Rayn got hit by 25 after taunting mocsta that no one can explain. Mafia just hit rayn for 25? To confuse us? How could they know that rayn would target a VT? Why was mocsta even hit for 150 in the first place? Many questions that don't have any good explanation to them except mocsta being mafia. And I think this is a pretty good job proving it.
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