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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
December 09 2013 14:31 GMT
#5321
out of those 3.

I'm still sussing out koshi filter on lynches.
his draft phase is pretty null

ss. maybe we can use to our advantage. he said he can rb someone. let's get him to rb a scum read
win win can all claim DMG and confirm ifn he is lying or not.

kush. I could def lynch today. him plus coag gotta flip scum, but kush would be more fun to see squirm. muahahha

kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 09 2013 14:32 GMT
#5322
i have some ideas on how to fix your scumplay mocsta but ill save them for postgame.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 09 2013 14:39 GMT
#5323
On December 07 2013 10:14 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 10:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
supersoft i am not going to look into MZ because there are better lynches like austin.
I don't even know what the case on MZ is (and no, geript's "case" is not a case).


Case on Meapak_Ziphh

1. Scummy thing:
(bolded)
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 09:06 supersoft wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=Meapak_Ziphh&currentpage=2

First thing I notice is this whole VE obsession. Even though I mostly agree on the stuff you write, it's too much.
I mean, you call VE town and then you follow that up with way too much analysis on this townie.
From what I remember, VE was never in real trouble. Your contributione was unnecessary.
Unnecessary analysis reeks of scum.


2. Scummy thing:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 09:22 supersoft wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=Meapak_Ziphh&currentpage=3

start of the LSB-phase

On December 03 2013 12:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
To recap, all LSB has done is fish for blues.

On top of that, he's interested in confirming himself "so he doesn't get lynched." He's gonna use KP to confirm himself like I can't get over how anti town that is. And going back to his claim, I said this early on too, it has the feel of a scum trying to hide in plain sight by claiming a blatantly anti town role.

On December 03 2013 12:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On December 03 2013 12:35 LSB wrote:
On December 03 2013 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
wow, way to complete ignore everything I said, while at the same time verify my points that you aren't approaching this game from a town perspective. Roles =/= alignment, all you've done is blue hunt. The only people who benefit from that info are scum.

I don't you have read my filter at all

Are you drunk?

Because that would explain a lot of what's happened over the last couple hours.

On December 03 2013 12:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
LSB

For the love of all that is town

Stop. Fucking. Blue. Hunting

i like the first 2 posts, the third one is a little bit over the top. Maybe because I think it's going in the wrong direction, because it's not LSB who is the problem, it's the people that claim needlessly....

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=Meapak_Ziphh&currentpage=4

On December 05 2013 00:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Also I looked through roffles's filter and its complete shit. He is needlessly aggressive and displays a disturbing amount of apathy towards this game.


(+)

page 5++ starts the most recent discussion and stuff...
All in all. This VE obsession and that dialogue with LSB. mh! well.




However:

Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 09:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Guys I'm about to go out to eat, I want to resolve this now, I'm starting to get pissed off again.

I have the same amount of votes as austin who like half the thread has called scum and the people voting me can't even be bothered to actually figuring out why they're voting me. I'm absolutely done hearing about the VE shit. That was D0, if you weren't paying attention then that's your own fault. There is literally no case on me, I've sat here and waited for one so I could defend myself but one never appeared. I wasn't around yesterday, sue me, but I still think I deserve to actually understand why people are voting me.

I'll try and be on my phone.


I can understand this post. It's somehow genuine
...


So this is supersoft's analysis on MZ. I want to know who agreed with this shit.
1) He agrees with MZ's analysis (should be a town tell) but it's "too much". Well guess what, i asked M to elaborate on his town read on VE, that's why he said what he did. ss does not even point out what is too much, he just quotes MZ's filter.
2) He likes the things he quotes (should be a town tell), but the last quote is "a bit too much". And how does MZ saying "stop blue hunting LSB" make him scum? supersoft does not even thing people should have claimed, why is that scummy??
3) Here supersoft tells why he thinks MZ is town.

So yeah, supersoft's case on MZ is in fact "why i think MZ is town".
If townies do this sort of cases i give up.

##vote: supersoft
I don't really care, that's so incredibly bad i am gonna vote for zz.
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
December 09 2013 14:41 GMT
#5324
thnx kush,

I look forward to u quitting mafia forever.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
December 09 2013 14:48 GMT
#5325
On December 06 2013 02:02 Koshi wrote:
I think supersoft might be scum but I cannot make a case yet against him. I got something half assed made but it isn't good enough.

rayn

if ss is scum like u think. this looks pretty bad. especially that in the subsequent post he gives ss a full town read.

so far pretty unimpressed with day1 from koshi.
its either inventor talk or tunneling kurumi.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 09 2013 14:53 GMT
#5326
I already talked about Koshi on N2.
On December 07 2013 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I kinda think we should lynch Koshi. Like really.
He has no real reads, he liked Onegu's case on Odin and now he is saying Odin was not his top scumread. However other scumreads he had were Risen and MZ. He halfly retracted his scumread on Risen here:
Show nested quote +
Feels like a good vote, austin looks cool. Risen not really but ok.

Then he votes for MZ. But MZ wasn't even scummy?
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 10:01 Koshi wrote:
My vote on you MZ is because I believe both geript and Mocsta are town. They were a constant presence in this thread and they were giving opinions and putting them out there. Mocsta maybe a bit less than geript.
Anyway, they aren't scum.
rayn isn't scum
marv isn't scum.
Mig is being sincere I think and not scum.
supersoft is a bit harder but meh, null read that looks pretty willing to move thread forward constantly.

So I am just landed with you and VE on vets. And be it that you and VE are ignoring each other hardcore. Except VE saying that you attacking me was totally justified. (at least I think it was VE, but doesn't matter)

So yeah. I don't have strong strong feelings towards MZ lynch. But I think it is probably a good one.

Also, I am lacking any other decent read.


Also, you attacked me.

What can I say.

Life is life.

Also the second bolded line. He lacs a good scumread but he thought Onegu's case was "very good".

I think we should lynch Koshi on D3, he is scum.

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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 09 2013 14:54 GMT
#5327
Now I will quit mafia forever if you are town, no backsies on that one.

Rayne an inconclusive read does not make someone scum

OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 09 2013 14:54 GMT
#5328
Instead of trusting his top town reads (me and marv) he sheeps Mocsta and geript. Why?
In case I am not in fact his top town read, why would he give the invention to me and not Mocsta?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 09 2013 14:55 GMT
#5329
On December 09 2013 23:54 kushm4sta wrote:
Now I will quit mafia forever if you are town, no backsies on that one.

Rayne an inconclusive read does not make someone scum


Well tell me dear kushmasta WHAT THE FUCK DOES IN YOUR OPINION MAKE SOMEONE SCUM?
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 09 2013 14:59 GMT
#5330
Not being able to think like town.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
December 09 2013 15:03 GMT
#5331
rayn has no idea how to find scum :D
it's actually quite funny. this guy produces 30filterpages and has absolutely no clue what he's doing.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
December 09 2013 15:06 GMT
#5332
I'm on tablet but just finished koshi filter and don't recall him sptakking about bum at all
no idea why he joined that wagon

mz stuff day2 is ok, cos can be lumped as omgus

overall, hes doing nothing and not delivering on inventions.

I'm gonna sleep on this.

on one hand, the above is pretty scummy -- his whole play this game has been to buy time it seems
on the other hand, coags claim *is* scummy.

I'm now considering the value of lynching coag who has used his power. vs. a lower quality read with much higher reward... surely coag doesn't have infinite nukes, otherwise he would a used them by now.
I'm thinking coag is a safer lynch plus will strongly implicate kush as scum.

lastly,
rest of townie really needs to start contributing. there is. no clear picture on the lynch due to lack of votes and that is worrying.
its hard to pressure with out threat of lynch being imminent.
please speak up peepz
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
December 09 2013 15:08 GMT
#5333
On December 09 2013 23:54 kushm4sta wrote:
Now I will quit mafia forever if you are town, no backsies on that one.

Rayne an inconclusive read does not make someone scum


lol, u couldn't back off before either.

DW every game someone whether town or scum LOVEs to tunnel me. this game its u.

enjoy finding a new hobby.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
December 09 2013 15:10 GMT
#5334
On December 09 2013 23:59 kushm4sta wrote:
Not being able to think like town.

I didn't realise ver was smurfining in this game....

another fine contribution kush.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 09 2013 15:14 GMT
#5335
Read page 6 till now from MZ filter. Why is MZ town?

He feels austin is town when austin is on +-3 votes but doesn't do anything about it when austin is gathering many votes:
On December 07 2013 03:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I think we should start consolidating on a lynch candidate.

I'm still not overly impressed with an austin lynch. I could do it but I just feel there's better.

I'd still really like a gtrsrs lynch. He has literally done nothing since I first called him out except go after soniv twice.

And with the way roffles has been acting lately I would have no problems at all killing him.

MZ gives his 2 favorite lynches with 1 line of explanation. He doesn't push gtrsrs or roffles at all. Doesn't try to get them lynched. There are no posts between above quote and this quote:
On December 07 2013 05:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 04:53 sandroba wrote:
On December 07 2013 04:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On December 07 2013 04:34 sandroba wrote:
jc- possible.
geript- given how forth comming he was with his claim and his overall behavior I find it unlikely
austin- yes
koshi - we are bound to find out eventually

suprises me that you left out JL/risen, people I'm unsure about myself

I had jonny as town early on. Completely forgot about risen but put him on that list as well.

Look sandro, that's 5 or six people excluding me and mig who could be scum, I don't see how your theory plays out.

Bottom line is I think austin is scum from that post I quoted alone. I don't think his comeback makes him more townie at all. And there is a high probability he is scum given all the people I have my doubts on the top 12 look better than him and that includes you.

Ok sandro you and rayn are my stronger townreads and you're both on austin, I understand the case and agree with it and I don't think I can get enough headway on gtrsrs. I'll go with you today.

He didn't try to convince you 2 about his targets. Just gives up and consolidates on austin because townreads. Now, I can understand this behavior because I was doing the same thing. But I am not typing things like this:
On December 07 2013 04:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 04:00 sandroba wrote:
maybe we would be better off lynching you first though, you seem to be pretty disconected from this game. Hmm...

I am always willing to die as a townie to prove my alignment but I absolutely will fight tooth and nail if you try to lynch me because some heuristic you won't explain makes one of me or austin scum.

Also I strongly disagree with your comment about me being disconnected on two levels. Firstly I was active D0-N1, I had a lot of shit yesterday and wasn't able to really keep up. You yourself were barely around for D1 so in terms of amount of time spent in the thread you are just as disconnected as I am.

MZ did NOTHING to prove he was town while being lynched. He just showed activity. The ONLY thing he did was ask "why are you voting me" and "why am I dieing". That's all....
On December 05 2013 01:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2013 01:00 Koshi wrote:
On December 05 2013 00:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On December 05 2013 00:49 Koshi wrote:
I am riding the untouchable nature of the inventor but I love town and I hope we as town prevails!

I have no scumreads atm. Except Kurumi.

Ok lets roleplay.

It's an hour from the end of day, you're not the inventor and you have 15 votes on you. There's a green check on kurumi, convince us to lynch someone other than you.

Amaze me koshi.

I have played so many town games in a row and that scenario does not happen. I'll see what I can do on D2.

you know what, fuck your role

I am absolutely ok with killing koshi right now.

Seriously how hard is it to do ANYTHING AT ALL TO HELP THE FUCKING TOWN?

Like if you're not gonna play then why join the game.

This goes a bit back more than page 6 of his filter but look at what MZ dares to say. Wtf has he done last 72 hours? He hasn't done anything but gloat about the fact that he gave me crap earlier which was the worst post in the game according to marv. Now he gloats about that and says "told you so". What is this:
On December 09 2013 20:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
GUYS I FINISHED THE GODDMAN RESEARCH PAPER.

...now I have a micro final that I haven't studied for in two hours lolol.

Anyway for those who are curious, this bullshit with koshi is why I questioned him that one time that ended up almost getting me lynched. Fucking. Called. It. I normally would take the high road but I've had a long night and it feels good being vindicated after almost getting lynched for it lol.

Peace fuckers, sorry I haven't been too helpful, that paper was a bitch. I will return to the thread tomorrow after mico, hopefully slightly intoxicated.

This is completely not true. The bullshit with Koshi was:
1) Koshi is not doing anything and riding the inventor role.
2) Koshi comments on cases without reading them and without thinking them over. (which was blatantly untrue)
So why he is saying "told you so" when his bullshit with me was not about my inventions???

On December 08 2013 15:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I have a huge paper I need to write, thanks for giving me a reason to go write it.

I'll check back tomorrow and give some final reads and shit.

Good luck rayn.

He get's nuked (by scum?) so no reason to keep playing. He doesn't consider that he is getting nuked for a reason (good reads or something) or he doesn't try to interpret why he is getting nuked. Just goes away because he is going to die.

PS: the reads will never come. Why you ask? MZ is clearly reading the entire thread, because he commented on you guys saying Koshi is scum. But instead of commenting on what is happening in the thread, he just says "told you so" and fucks off again. He is doing NOTHING.

On December 07 2013 04:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
sandro the biggest problem right now is that you're assuming that certain people have to be scum rather than looking at who has actually been scummy this game.

Post like this are so mehhhhhhh. Sure they are true. But where does MZ apply this? These are the post why MZ lynch just felt right to me. Like this:
On December 07 2013 02:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2013 02:13 sandroba wrote:
On December 07 2013 02:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
@sandroba: no I have 950, where did Mig claim I had 875? Something is definitely odd here, unless WoS forgot to send me a PM mig is lying or someone completely messed with his ability.

Like I decoy'd, there is zero way I could have gotten hit with kp at all. I didn't realize mig claimed he knew my health otherwise I would have brought this up sooner. I can't quote my PM but what's in the OP is accurate. I got no PMs about anything last night.

@geript, 7-6 is my record with wukong lol

Actually mig claimed 825, so he hit your decoy for 125 and it came back 825, makes sense. I wonder why you don't seem concerned at all about Mig hitting you or being scum? Also what thought process did you go through when deciding to use your ability night 1?

I wasn't PM'd at all about this so I assumed it missed me. I guess my lack of reaction comes from the fact that I was never notified I was hit and didn't really realize what happened until just now when I went back to confirm the numbers that you mentioned. I haven't given Mig much thought this game and when I filtered him just now I don't think his shot is really alignment indicative either way. Like it's marginally protown he claimed his kp but I found his reasons to be really weak, especially since he never mentioned me until after his shot.

Perhaps I'm flattering myself but I thought I fell into a category of likely to get hit because I wasn't likely to get protection so I decoy'd then. I doubt I'll get hit tonight given the suspicion on me and I still have one more use so I don't think a N1 decoy was bad at all.

I guess this could be true but I got strange feelings while reading this...
I had a good night of sleep.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 09 2013 15:15 GMT
#5336
On December 10 2013 00:03 supersoft wrote:
rayn has no idea how to find scum :D
it's actually quite funny. this guy produces 30filterpages and has absolutely no clue what he's doing.

At least i don't make cases that say "this guy is town".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 09 2013 15:20 GMT
#5337
Koshi nothing you wrote explains why MZ is mafia. This is the only thing even close:
MZ did NOTHING to prove he was town while being lynched. He just showed activity. The ONLY thing he did was ask "why are you voting me" and "why am I dieing". That's all....

But then again, it's pretty hard to fdefend yourself when there is no case. Absolutely noone made a case on MZ. Noone. Except supersoft and his case was "why MZ is town". lol.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
December 09 2013 15:24 GMT
#5338
Well do whatever you guys want. I honestly could not care less when only me and Mocsta are even trying to play this game.
I'll keep my vote where it is and will be checking in on N3. Maybe. Titanic starts soon so i'd rather play that one fully assuming people are not as retarded as here in terms of not even trying to play the game.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 09 2013 15:24 GMT
#5339
yeah there is NO way we are lynching mz now after that case from koshi. Worst case I ever read. Terrible even by koshi standards.

rayn i think you are a huge asset to town. sorry if i shit on your pressure with my townreads <3
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jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
December 09 2013 15:27 GMT
#5340
My read on Risen is scummy lurker simply because he has done nothing that warrants a town read. I think rayn is being a bit hasty just cause someone masoned him and they talked a bit doesn't mean hes totes town.
On December 09 2013 22:58 Mocsta wrote:
jay

do u think risen is scum, or simply telling rayn to be cautious?

I'm really struggling with what you tried to achieve with that post.


I already voted coag seems self evident on what i think about him.

Kush im not so sure anymore. I liked him as town earlier but recently his defense of Coag's actions shows he might have ulterior motives
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