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On November 23 2013 03:13 Mig wrote:
I didnt know artanis would be rbd, I already explained this to you. 1) how cuold I know for sure mafia have a rb 2) hf claimed he shot mocsta maybe he confused them so they wouldn't rb if they did have a rber
No shit I didn't shoot you n1. I voted you as mayor obviously I didn't think you were scum then.
I chose the safe play to not shoot you last night because I didn't want to risk a wasted bullet if me and artanis both shot you (vigs dont get bullets back if they overlap)
your top scum read day 1 according to you in thread was grack. You didn't shoot him
You didn't shoot me last night. You in thread even said the likelyhood of artanis being rb'd was 99%. I am asking logically. Why didnt you shoot your top read twice in a row.
Seriously dude. Answer it straight up. Why sharrant over grack? Why mattchew of all people over me? This is the only real reason I think you are scum. You haven't ever given me a solid answer to it. This isn't me making up bullshit this is me purely asking you a question. You have tried to garner reads on me, I am on you as well.
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On November 23 2013 03:15 Mig wrote:
Also I find it funny you happen to just pop up now right after I make a post against you. The day started with it looking like you would be lynched easily and slowly the votes slide off of you as you sit back and do nothing.
sit back and do nothing? I find it moderately insulting given that I have been around as my own time constraints let me. I have given analysis today, I have listed out who I think is scum, Hell I have even defended myself.
As a note, for a group of players who have spent all bloody game bashing me for tunneling grack. You are guilty of basically the same thing with me Mig.
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On November 23 2013 03:24 Mig wrote:
I didn't say artanis was 99% to be rbd. Find that quote. Instead of lying show me the quote I say artanis was 99% to be rbd.
Grack/storrzerg were my top scum reads day1. Guess what things change during the night as they make reasonable posts. I shot sharrant for the same reasons I shot mattchew they seemed to be lurkers who were playing even less than they normally do and hadn't contributed to town. For sharrant yam was also highly suspicious of him and at the time I thought yam was town as well.
Seriously BC do you think I would claim that I shot sharrant n1 when 0 kp was missing and mattchew n2 when I didn't need to? I have played nearly 20 games on TL and I have never fake claimed, or done fucking anything like that. I hate playing mafia and every time I am mafia I just glide under the radar. Instead of making up this bullshit conjecture about how oh maybe because I have never done it before I would do it now, why don't you look at my past games.
which post did grack make that made you change your mind? I am asking as someone who read your notes up until you locked them given you were more active there it seems than here for awhile. You never changed your view of grack until after the mocsta flip.
Also you are right, you said he was likely to be rbed. The 99% was a town read in the same post. My bad. Seriously tho. I am asking you this. You did say
On November 21 2013 09:05 Mig wrote:
I agree, I strongly considered shooting bc anyway just assuming they would rb you but thought maybe there is some chance they dont have a rber and didnt want to waste my shot blah blah blah. You don't get your bullet back if they overlap only if you are rbd.
as well as
On November 21 2013 06:12 Mig wrote:
I am looking forward to my murder tonight.
If you planned to die, and have admitted to suspecting the other vig to be rb'd. Why would you not shoot me? Seriously. You say you are logical as hell. You also say
On November 21 2013 09:17 Mig wrote:
If mattchew isnt scum then this night is going to be a real nightmare.
Artanis in the future you really should be more careful when you are a VIG. If you have 2 shots maybe don't yell BAM right after you kill a scum? Then you wouldn't have had to pull this smoke screen and fuck me out of shooting BC.
On November 21 2013 09:07 Mig wrote:
Woulda been so nice if BC died. Probably scum and learn so much from his death.
You blame another player for not shooting me, as well as shooting a player that you said if they aren't scum the days gonna be a nightmare. The only person really making it hard for you is me, and all I want is a reasonable answer.
You said grack made posts that changed your mind? Which ones
Why if you suspected a rber and your own death would you not ensure the death of your top scumread.
Seriously, don't dance around the bush and say "this is how i play as scum, or bullshit conjecture"
You outright said you are logical. How are your shots logical?
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On November 23 2013 03:28 Mig wrote:
I have too much respect for BC to believe this could be his town play. Anything else I could have at least seen a possibility for but you know me you have played with me many times in the past, my scum and town games are very different. I just can't believe you think I am scum.
And I can't believe you think I am scum. Dude seriously. Read my filter of my last few town games. You can say "hey your completely diff from there to here" thats not what im after. Realize that after LXI I realized I bloody suck as town and have to fully readjust my playing style. That doesn't mean I will be amazing right off the bat. If it gets me lynched, so be it. However you have spent the better part of 2 game days tunneling me.
I respect you as well, but you have to realize that the points I brought towards you are exactly the things I would do as town.
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So. Given that people are still retarded and I am still dying I ensure that my reads get dropped sooner rather than later. I have spent time over the last few days filter diving and trying to avoid tunnel vision too terribly. I recognize it happens and I am prone to it.
100% town
BloodyC0bbler
Supersoft
Pandain
Rayn
Coag
Koshi
Null
Cheesecake
Vayne
onegu
slam
lonemeow
Risen
Mafia
Thrawn
Grackeroni
HolyFlare
Hopeless1nder
Oatsmaster
Mig (possible)
Austin (possible)
Now, what you guys need to do after I flip and you realize you were all bloody wrong is take a long hard look at my reads all game. You will realize I am not bloody retarded like you guys are and with my last will and testament you can win the damn game.
My reasoning behind these choices
Thrawn
I suspected Hiro before thrawn subbed in. Primarily from an activity standpoint but his posts that he did have suck. Thrawn since subbing in has been incredibly active for a day then kinda vanished off the radar. The impact he was making is completely gone and honestly done nothing concrete that I would say makes him town. He doesn't feel right.
Grack
He has only one solid contribution to an entire game. He pushed mocsta. However his vote didn't get mocsta lynched. As “townie” as it looks, you can't opt to make someone townie for a possible contribution. Since then he has done a bunch of nothing and has actively lied about masoning people. He was called out on this and no one seems to care. This is incredibly fucked beyond belief and honestly escapes me that no one has seen through this ruse yet.
HolyFlare
This kid is up there with grack. He has spent the better part of the game tunneling me to shit. He doesn't have a plethora of reads. He even vanishes off the face of the earth. However he always seems to reappear around times I am active to push me to avoid me getting off “heat”. His only other rise to fame is that he was in talks with artanis. Given that holy was in talks with him, he would in the end have known the actual shot target. Rbing the vig then killing him would incriminate me further while leading no heat to himself. This sets up the game for a townie misslynch. Given he is one of the core people pushing repeatedly for my death and I know I'm not scum, that leaves only one option for him which is scum.
Hopeless1nder.
Has no real contributions to the game. Is around enough to ensure hes not modkilled, and posts randomly throughout the game. Mimics thread sentiment too much. As such almost guarenteed red.
Oatmaster
SS is my top town read. Given that and his rb target n1 and 1 kp missing I am inclined to agree that it could be because of this roleblock but not solely because of it. He has played in such a way that the game has become cluttered whenever he appears. He argues with basically everyone and ruins the thread. He does next to nothing aside from create chaos and make the thread unreadable.
Mig
Yea yea you all are going to be like “but hes a 2 shot vig”. I have no qualms admitting he is very likely the role he claimed. However I really dislike how he handled my pressure on calling him out on his shots and his claim. He claims to be extremely logical and in my eye is not playing to that standard. When you are mafia trying to emulate your actual style of play you are bound to mess up at some point. He also vanishes for long periods of time and appears to primarily tunnel.
Austin
Honestly He is only here on the offchance that in the 6 names prior to this one 3 flip town. He should be the last to die off this list. His play has been decent overall with a few small minor issues. Given I know how good his scum game can be, these issues could make him scum, but not ahead of anyone else on the list.
Note: I have both supersoft and pandain as town reads primarily because of the masoning. However the back and forth created from pandain/ss about the whole pandain is a vet/one of them lied could mean 1 is scum.
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On November 23 2013 09:28 austinmcc wrote:
Thanks BC for your reads and the thoughts if you are town. Can I ask you about your numbers? Is you saying to lynch me if "3" people in your list flip town supposed to be a "2"?
I think all 5 scum are in that list. I would also lynch the first 4 first. if 3 of those are somehow town you proceed to lynch into oats/mig/you. Id lynch you last.
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On November 23 2013 09:33 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 08:00 thrawn2112 wrote:
BC can you explain your read on Mig? I'm trying to figure out wtf it is but all I get from your recent filter is that you're spending a whole lot of time trying to make him look like ass without blatantly saying "these things are scummy". It looks like you should be angrier with him no matter what your read on him might be... it's a huge change in tone from your earlier "fuck everyone in the game" posts. It looks like you're simultaneously trying to discredit him, avoid talking about his alignment, and keep the conversation passive. you do sorta the same thing to mig in your read list
My read on mig is that he has played a game that imo doesn't correspond with how he claims to play. Albeit I think my read of him is far less solid then it once was which is why he is now so far town on my scum list. He should be offed only after the first 4 + oats. Simple. I harassed him on his night actions, and i wasn't satisfied with the results, but at the same time the way he has played over this day cycle has been really solid aside from those interactions. I think his night actions are suspect, I dont like how he responded, I also don't like that he isn't being a more vocal and active voice in the game. Overall hes way too passive for what I know he can do and should be doing.
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On November 23 2013 09:37 austinmcc wrote:
I still want to lynch BC instead of oats. If I am wrong about things then so be it, but he has been waffling all over "I haven't played a good town game in forever" and "Guys here are my reads and last testament you can win the game if you just follow them," artanis got RBed, BC hasn't been a LARGE factor in the game or been shot, SOMEONE(s) that is relatively veteran-y and somewhat active probably gets put in the mafia group (I don't count coag as a vet for this purpose because I haven't seen him play active scum/help his scum team (tee hee); mig is out for me as a strong townread).
BC has had a number of large-ish, well-reasoned, good lookin' posts. But when he's casually discussing things and active in thread, it tends to be focused on a limited range of topics - his own defense, grack, and earlier today, mig. Maybe he's on to stuff, but I feel like his sexy looking posts are markedly different from his casual posts, and that makes me worried that he's packaging the posts he really needs to make in order to look decent, drawing them up ahead of time, and dropping them to convince people, then dipping out of the thread. If the very convincing posts weren't usually made after long absences, I'd be...more inclined to believe them? Or if they were sloppy or something? I'm pretty sure I do actually believe this.
I totally feel why you would feel this way. My only issue with this I a) have been a large factor. Just not in the way you would hope for (being a prime suspect sucks but is still a large part), and b) not being shot theoretically puts you, mig, me all in the same boat as scummyness. I would mention SS as well but well he has pardoner vet vest.
Also austin. I recognize you can feel the difference in my posts. I would too. Given that any post I write that's larger then say, 5-10 lines is something I generally spend 30 minutes to an hour just writing, not counting any work gone into filter diving. Its a ton of work, and requires me to spend far more time writing them. I think you can appreciate this as you would know it to be true from doing your own analytical work. Casual posts are things you write quickly.
You also shouldn't be blaming me for long absences and huge posts when multiple players are also guilty of this. I am fine with you targetting me but if you are nailing me for certain aspects you should also be looking at others in the same light.
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On November 23 2013 09:40 Grackaroni wrote:
You guys do realize that BC hasn't looked in a single filter right. He's had me as a scum read for 3 days and hasn't analyzed a single one of my posts. Or tried to question me about a single one of my posts.
I asked you ages ago for 5 valid contributions youve done and you couldn't do it. Since then I have scanned your filter and guess what? I don't need to answer your, or analyze you post by post. You have 0 fucking content. You have been riding the "i pushed mocsta and almost got him lynched card"
Thats all you got. Given that most people didn't want me constantly filling the thread with "grack is scum and heres a page of analysis why" I stopped.
Sucks for you that I pegged you. Sucks for me no one believes me.
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On November 23 2013 09:44 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 09:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 23 2013 09:37 austinmcc wrote:
I still want to lynch BC instead of oats. If I am wrong about things then so be it, but he has been waffling all over "I haven't played a good town game in forever" and "Guys here are my reads and last testament you can win the game if you just follow them," artanis got RBed, BC hasn't been a LARGE factor in the game or been shot, SOMEONE(s) that is relatively veteran-y and somewhat active probably gets put in the mafia group (I don't count coag as a vet for this purpose because I haven't seen him play active scum/help his scum team (tee hee); mig is out for me as a strong townread).
BC has had a number of large-ish, well-reasoned, good lookin' posts. But when he's casually discussing things and active in thread, it tends to be focused on a limited range of topics - his own defense, grack, and earlier today, mig. Maybe he's on to stuff, but I feel like his sexy looking posts are markedly different from his casual posts, and that makes me worried that he's packaging the posts he really needs to make in order to look decent, drawing them up ahead of time, and dropping them to convince people, then dipping out of the thread. If the very convincing posts weren't usually made after long absences, I'd be...more inclined to believe them? Or if they were sloppy or something? I'm pretty sure I do actually believe this. I totally feel why you would feel this way. My only issue with this I a) have been a large factor. Just not in the way you would hope for (being a prime suspect sucks but is still a large part), and b) not being shot theoretically puts you, mig, me all in the same boat as scummyness. I would mention SS as well but well he has pardoner vet vest. Also austin. I recognize you can feel the difference in my posts. I would too. Given that any post I write that's larger then say, 5-10 lines is something I generally spend 30 minutes to an hour just writing, not counting any work gone into filter diving. Its a ton of work, and requires me to spend far more time writing them. I think you can appreciate this as you would know it to be true from doing your own analytical work. Casual posts are things you write quickly. You also shouldn't be blaming me for long absences and huge posts when multiple players are also guilty of this. I am fine with you targetting me but if you are nailing me for certain aspects you should also be looking at others in the same light. I feel that almost all my medium and large-size posts are rushed through, have some poor reasoning in them, and are often difficult to follow. I am TERRIBLE at crafting a really nice-reading post, and if I craft something, it tends to be for maximum stupidity. But...I understand what you're saying, and agree that it SHOULD be that way. I totally agree on the absences thing, and it IS something that I'm looking at or will be looking at. I've got vayne/cheese/you/thrawn/onegu as people who really disappeared for times today. You had way more ... legitimate posts/reads than the rest in that group, most of the rest threw a couple posts together and whooshed away. To some extent, a couple mafia in that group explains why reads are so confused and most people feel like they're chasing their tails today.
can I just ask you this one thing for clarification. Why would you just say that of a group of people you are pinning as scum for a largely selected behaviour are you opting to lynch the one performing the most town? I get that I'm a dead man now but I really want to know your thought process on it
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On November 23 2013 09:45 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 09:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 23 2013 09:40 Grackaroni wrote:
You guys do realize that BC hasn't looked in a single filter right. He's had me as a scum read for 3 days and hasn't analyzed a single one of my posts. Or tried to question me about a single one of my posts. I asked you ages ago for 5 valid contributions youve done and you couldn't do it. Since then I have scanned your filter and guess what? I don't need to answer your, or analyze you post by post. You have 0 fucking content. You have been riding the "i pushed mocsta and almost got him lynched card" Thats all you got. Given that most people didn't want me constantly filling the thread with "grack is scum and heres a page of analysis why" I stopped. Sucks for you that I pegged you. Sucks for me no one believes me. No I did it lol. Then I asked you and you quit talking to me.
Because anyone can dig through my filter and find at least 5-10 reasons why I am town and then 5-10 reasons why i am not.
It depends on perspective and nothing else. You literally have nothing
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On November 23 2013 09:48 Mig wrote:
BC why arent you switching. You have pandain as 100% town?
because I was responding to people? jesus dude.
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You realize its reasons like that, that I suspect you right? It likely shouldn't but it bothers the fuck out of me
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On November 23 2013 09:51 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2013 09:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 23 2013 09:44 austinmcc wrote:On November 23 2013 09:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 23 2013 09:37 austinmcc wrote:
I still want to lynch BC instead of oats. If I am wrong about things then so be it, but he has been waffling all over "I haven't played a good town game in forever" and "Guys here are my reads and last testament you can win the game if you just follow them," artanis got RBed, BC hasn't been a LARGE factor in the game or been shot, SOMEONE(s) that is relatively veteran-y and somewhat active probably gets put in the mafia group (I don't count coag as a vet for this purpose because I haven't seen him play active scum/help his scum team (tee hee); mig is out for me as a strong townread).
BC has had a number of large-ish, well-reasoned, good lookin' posts. But when he's casually discussing things and active in thread, it tends to be focused on a limited range of topics - his own defense, grack, and earlier today, mig. Maybe he's on to stuff, but I feel like his sexy looking posts are markedly different from his casual posts, and that makes me worried that he's packaging the posts he really needs to make in order to look decent, drawing them up ahead of time, and dropping them to convince people, then dipping out of the thread. If the very convincing posts weren't usually made after long absences, I'd be...more inclined to believe them? Or if they were sloppy or something? I'm pretty sure I do actually believe this. I totally feel why you would feel this way. My only issue with this I a) have been a large factor. Just not in the way you would hope for (being a prime suspect sucks but is still a large part), and b) not being shot theoretically puts you, mig, me all in the same boat as scummyness. I would mention SS as well but well he has pardoner vet vest. Also austin. I recognize you can feel the difference in my posts. I would too. Given that any post I write that's larger then say, 5-10 lines is something I generally spend 30 minutes to an hour just writing, not counting any work gone into filter diving. Its a ton of work, and requires me to spend far more time writing them. I think you can appreciate this as you would know it to be true from doing your own analytical work. Casual posts are things you write quickly. You also shouldn't be blaming me for long absences and huge posts when multiple players are also guilty of this. I am fine with you targetting me but if you are nailing me for certain aspects you should also be looking at others in the same light. I feel that almost all my medium and large-size posts are rushed through, have some poor reasoning in them, and are often difficult to follow. I am TERRIBLE at crafting a really nice-reading post, and if I craft something, it tends to be for maximum stupidity. But...I understand what you're saying, and agree that it SHOULD be that way. I totally agree on the absences thing, and it IS something that I'm looking at or will be looking at. I've got vayne/cheese/you/thrawn/onegu as people who really disappeared for times today. You had way more ... legitimate posts/reads than the rest in that group, most of the rest threw a couple posts together and whooshed away. To some extent, a couple mafia in that group explains why reads are so confused and most people feel like they're chasing their tails today. can I just ask you this one thing for clarification. Why would you just say that of a group of people you are pinning as scum for a largely selected behaviour are you opting to lynch the one performing the most town? I get that I'm a dead man now but I really want to know your thought process on it I think that you have other indicia I'm working off of. Vayne/Cheese/Onegu all fit the bill for what I'm looking for. Thrawn fits the bill but ALSO has his reaction to pandain/me lacking reads, and his odd reaction to your posts on mocsta/grack meta (which I disagree with, and if you're scummy, indicates that he is likely scum because his reaction was so different than others). You get voted over those dudes because - (1) I was already looking at you; (2) stuff last night with Artanis's shot; (3) the mayoral votes are wonky and it feels like scum should have TRIED to get a candidate elected at some point or another, and you sort of fit that; (4) people who got shot last night had you as mafia; (5) some is pure expectations, which are higher of you (from me), than cheese or onegu.
As a devils advocate. Why would I as scum not more actively push myself to get into office instead of SS or VE. I could have if I had wanted really pushed for it and likely gotten pardoner over one of those two had I seriously made an effort. Instead I opted to push them in. As well as, why as a player like I am shoot people that view me as scum thus securring my own death when I could instead shoot other people to make them look bad, etc..
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On November 23 2013 09:53 supersoft wrote:I am so sad right now... I am either terribly wrong and BC played me like a fiddle or I am right and we're lynching this dude who is in my eyes one of the most helpful and friendly players in this town 
Baddies be bad brosky. Can't blame them for being terrible. Only upshot is a few people finally stepped up to do shit. Who cares if I die for it
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Id love a pardon but youd die for it SS so would I so it just delays it. Id get more time but we shouldnt need it
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On November 23 2013 09:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
So. Given that people are still retarded and I am still dying I ensure that my reads get dropped sooner rather than later. I have spent time over the last few days filter diving and trying to avoid tunnel vision too terribly. I recognize it happens and I am prone to it.
100% town
BloodyC0bbler
Supersoft
Pandain
Rayn
Coag
Koshi
Null
Cheesecake
Vayne
onegu
slam
lonemeow
Risen
Mafia
Thrawn
Grackeroni
HolyFlare
Hopeless1nder
Oatsmaster
Mig (possible)
Austin (possible)
Now, what you guys need to do after I flip and you realize you were all bloody wrong is take a long hard look at my reads all game. You will realize I am not bloody retarded like you guys are and with my last will and testament you can win the damn game.
My reasoning behind these choices
Thrawn
I suspected Hiro before thrawn subbed in. Primarily from an activity standpoint but his posts that he did have suck. Thrawn since subbing in has been incredibly active for a day then kinda vanished off the radar. The impact he was making is completely gone and honestly done nothing concrete that I would say makes him town. He doesn't feel right.
Grack
He has only one solid contribution to an entire game. He pushed mocsta. However his vote didn't get mocsta lynched. As “townie” as it looks, you can't opt to make someone townie for a possible contribution. Since then he has done a bunch of nothing and has actively lied about masoning people. He was called out on this and no one seems to care. This is incredibly fucked beyond belief and honestly escapes me that no one has seen through this ruse yet.
HolyFlare
This kid is up there with grack. He has spent the better part of the game tunneling me to shit. He doesn't have a plethora of reads. He even vanishes off the face of the earth. However he always seems to reappear around times I am active to push me to avoid me getting off “heat”. His only other rise to fame is that he was in talks with artanis. Given that holy was in talks with him, he would in the end have known the actual shot target. Rbing the vig then killing him would incriminate me further while leading no heat to himself. This sets up the game for a townie misslynch. Given he is one of the core people pushing repeatedly for my death and I know I'm not scum, that leaves only one option for him which is scum.
Hopeless1nder.
Has no real contributions to the game. Is around enough to ensure hes not modkilled, and posts randomly throughout the game. Mimics thread sentiment too much. As such almost guarenteed red.
Oatmaster
SS is my top town read. Given that and his rb target n1 and 1 kp missing I am inclined to agree that it could be because of this roleblock but not solely because of it. He has played in such a way that the game has become cluttered whenever he appears. He argues with basically everyone and ruins the thread. He does next to nothing aside from create chaos and make the thread unreadable.
Mig
Yea yea you all are going to be like “but hes a 2 shot vig”. I have no qualms admitting he is very likely the role he claimed. However I really dislike how he handled my pressure on calling him out on his shots and his claim. He claims to be extremely logical and in my eye is not playing to that standard. When you are mafia trying to emulate your actual style of play you are bound to mess up at some point. He also vanishes for long periods of time and appears to primarily tunnel.
Austin
Honestly He is only here on the offchance that in the 6 names prior to this one 3 flip town. He should be the last to die off this list. His play has been decent overall with a few small minor issues. Given I know how good his scum game can be, these issues could make him scum, but not ahead of anyone else on the list.
Note: I have both supersoft and pandain as town reads primarily because of the masoning. However the back and forth created from pandain/ss about the whole pandain is a vet/one of them lied could mean 1 is scum.
Town shoulda just listened to this post yo
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haha. Also as a note for anyone interested. My entire "wtf" meta bullshit case on grack day 2 was made out of pure anger. I blame him solely for shoving mocsta into the spotlight to the point he got shot. This could be unfair to grack, but given that grack bussed mocsta, me and I believe thrawn. Holy bussed me and thrawn and at one point was moving in on other teammates. Out team bussed so hard for virtually no reason and somehow still won. Even when they let thrawn die a day early and thus prolong the game longer. Mafia team made mistakes, sizable mistakes, but the town never took advantage on them and continued to chase town.
Overall I think the mafia as a whole did amazing in mason chats. But we bussed eachother hard in thread which should have cost us the game. Instead town chased the wrong people.
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