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On November 19 2013 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 01:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 19 2013 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What was an indirect lie? Yamato had me as a town read, not want to kill me. He stopped wanting to off me what? halfway mark of day 1. Thats an indirect lie as you cherry picked his words to find something he did actually say, but he had also changed his opinion and stated that in game. Also as a note, you may not have liked my conclusions but go look at his filter from personality 2. He interacts with austin twice day 1 then ignores his team almost fully until town has been so fucked up the asshole he has to talk to his team. You don't like my conclusions is fine, but from a meta stand point it makes perfect sense. Don't like why I think grack could still be scum? Read how mocsta was crafting his messages in personality. Everything was careful and had no real emotion behind it. He looks genuinely pissed at grack on their back and forths. He didnt react that way with anyone else except grack. Why? You may not like my conclusion but the reasoning behind it is fairly sound. Yeah i agree he did not want you dead at the end of N1. You were one of the people he had accused. That's not a strong point anyways, and i didn't mean it like that. Can you explain the "Mocsta's scum-meta suggests he does not interact with his scumbuddies, therefore all these people here are town with no other explanation" and right after "but Grackaroni is scum because Moscta talked about him"? Also can you comment on my analyses on why i think Grackaroni is town and tell me why would Mocsta bus him because what you and BH are suggesting is absurd as hell. Tell me why would Mocsta leave no room other than to bus his teammate on D2 over ~10 other options that definitely do not make him look any worse?
His meta shows he distances himself and almost exclusively talks with town. He tunnels a townie he views as bad (storr). He then does everything else he did this game which is try and not be on radars. I am saying grack is different because of HOW he talked to him. Read personality 2, read this games filter. His interactions with grack are completely different than any other he had. He seems in this game to have a genuine reaction of anger/annoyance/whatever to grack. The guy carefully writes posts. Why would his interactions with 1 player be completely different from everything else his meta suggests? I would say cause he was legit pissed at grack for tunneling the shit out of him. I am reading it off of one specific reaction. Could I be wrong? Yes. However Grack has done basically nothing this game to make me doubt that read of the situation. If mocsta was as pissed as I think he was it would make perfect sense to still dive on grack.
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On November 19 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2013 16:19 Blazinghand wrote:
like i'm kind of amazed people took that seriously. I didn't get RBed or shot so clearly scum didn't believe me so I guess I fucked up that chance to be cool but like come on man you aren't telling me you actually thought that crumb made sense? ._. Actually this post makes no sense because BH here retracts from his tracker claim and in that case he can't possibly know if he was roleblocked or not. Soooo.. /dunked
To be quite honest this is a terrible post. You aren't notified if you are roleblocked. However, if you have a role and use it that would normally give you intel back (tracker for instance) you just dont get a pm of findings, ie you'd know you were blocked because you had 0 findings.
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On November 19 2013 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 01:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 19 2013 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 19 2013 01:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 19 2013 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What was an indirect lie? Yamato had me as a town read, not want to kill me. He stopped wanting to off me what? halfway mark of day 1. Thats an indirect lie as you cherry picked his words to find something he did actually say, but he had also changed his opinion and stated that in game. Also as a note, you may not have liked my conclusions but go look at his filter from personality 2. He interacts with austin twice day 1 then ignores his team almost fully until town has been so fucked up the asshole he has to talk to his team. You don't like my conclusions is fine, but from a meta stand point it makes perfect sense. Don't like why I think grack could still be scum? Read how mocsta was crafting his messages in personality. Everything was careful and had no real emotion behind it. He looks genuinely pissed at grack on their back and forths. He didnt react that way with anyone else except grack. Why? You may not like my conclusion but the reasoning behind it is fairly sound. Yeah i agree he did not want you dead at the end of N1. You were one of the people he had accused. That's not a strong point anyways, and i didn't mean it like that. Can you explain the "Mocsta's scum-meta suggests he does not interact with his scumbuddies, therefore all these people here are town with no other explanation" and right after "but Grackaroni is scum because Moscta talked about him"? Also can you comment on my analyses on why i think Grackaroni is town and tell me why would Mocsta bus him because what you and BH are suggesting is absurd as hell. Tell me why would Mocsta leave no room other than to bus his teammate on D2 over ~10 other options that definitely do not make him look any worse? His meta shows he distances himself and almost exclusively talks with town. He tunnels a townie he views as bad (storr). He then does everything else he did this game which is try and not be on radars. I am saying grack is different because of HOW he talked to him. Read personality 2, read this games filter. His interactions with grack are completely different than any other he had. He seems in this game to have a genuine reaction of anger/annoyance/whatever to grack. The guy carefully writes posts. Why would his interactions with 1 player be completely different from everything else his meta suggests? I would say cause he was legit pissed at grack for tunneling the shit out of him. I am reading it off of one specific reaction. Could I be wrong? Yes. However Grack has done basically nothing this game to make me doubt that read of the situation. If mocsta was as pissed as I think he was it would make perfect sense to still dive on grack. Am i reading this correct. mafia!Mocsta was genuinely pissed off with mafia!Grackaroni for Grack tunneling Mocsta?
its how I'd read it yes. I can say as someone whos done some filter diving that mocsta wasn't really heavily picked up as a potential mafia by many people until after the bit between the two and grack was one of the more vocal people about the push. Could I be wrong? yes, but its completely out of place reaction type. If you don't believe my conclusion the information I used is open to anyone else to analyze.
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On November 19 2013 01:20 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 01:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 19 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 18 2013 16:19 Blazinghand wrote:
like i'm kind of amazed people took that seriously. I didn't get RBed or shot so clearly scum didn't believe me so I guess I fucked up that chance to be cool but like come on man you aren't telling me you actually thought that crumb made sense? ._. Actually this post makes no sense because BH here retracts from his tracker claim and in that case he can't possibly know if he was roleblocked or not. Soooo.. /dunked To be quite honest this is a terrible post. You aren't notified if you are roleblocked. However, if you have a role and use it that would normally give you intel back (tracker for instance) you just dont get a pm of findings, ie you'd know you were blocked because you had 0 findings. That's rayn his point. BH says he isn't a tracker, but in the same sentence knows that he wasn't RB. How did he know he wasn't RB when he did no night action?
bleh misread bh's statement.
Ignore that I am wrong.
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On November 19 2013 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im pretty confused BC.
So Mocsta normally types very carefully to his scummates. But he is very angry with Grack this game. Therefore Grack is scum?
He types carefully in general and ignores his teammates. The interaction with grack this game from what I saw in both games filters is completely unique. Its only that reason that it stands out to me.
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On November 19 2013 01:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 01:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 19 2013 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 19 2013 01:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 19 2013 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 19 2013 01:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 19 2013 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
What was an indirect lie? Yamato had me as a town read, not want to kill me. He stopped wanting to off me what? halfway mark of day 1. Thats an indirect lie as you cherry picked his words to find something he did actually say, but he had also changed his opinion and stated that in game. Also as a note, you may not have liked my conclusions but go look at his filter from personality 2. He interacts with austin twice day 1 then ignores his team almost fully until town has been so fucked up the asshole he has to talk to his team. You don't like my conclusions is fine, but from a meta stand point it makes perfect sense. Don't like why I think grack could still be scum? Read how mocsta was crafting his messages in personality. Everything was careful and had no real emotion behind it. He looks genuinely pissed at grack on their back and forths. He didnt react that way with anyone else except grack. Why? You may not like my conclusion but the reasoning behind it is fairly sound. Yeah i agree he did not want you dead at the end of N1. You were one of the people he had accused. That's not a strong point anyways, and i didn't mean it like that. Can you explain the "Mocsta's scum-meta suggests he does not interact with his scumbuddies, therefore all these people here are town with no other explanation" and right after "but Grackaroni is scum because Moscta talked about him"? Also can you comment on my analyses on why i think Grackaroni is town and tell me why would Mocsta bus him because what you and BH are suggesting is absurd as hell. Tell me why would Mocsta leave no room other than to bus his teammate on D2 over ~10 other options that definitely do not make him look any worse? His meta shows he distances himself and almost exclusively talks with town. He tunnels a townie he views as bad (storr). He then does everything else he did this game which is try and not be on radars. I am saying grack is different because of HOW he talked to him. Read personality 2, read this games filter. His interactions with grack are completely different than any other he had. He seems in this game to have a genuine reaction of anger/annoyance/whatever to grack. The guy carefully writes posts. Why would his interactions with 1 player be completely different from everything else his meta suggests? I would say cause he was legit pissed at grack for tunneling the shit out of him. I am reading it off of one specific reaction. Could I be wrong? Yes. However Grack has done basically nothing this game to make me doubt that read of the situation. If mocsta was as pissed as I think he was it would make perfect sense to still dive on grack. Am i reading this correct. mafia!Mocsta was genuinely pissed off with mafia!Grackaroni for Grack tunneling Mocsta? its how I'd read it yes. I can say as someone whos done some filter diving that mocsta wasn't really heavily picked up as a potential mafia by many people until after the bit between the two and grack was one of the more vocal people about the push. Could I be wrong? yes, but its completely out of place reaction type. If you don't believe my conclusion the information I used is open to anyone else to analyze. Well this is maybe the worst case i have ever heard. Sorry.
At least mine was honest.
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On November 19 2013 01:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
I thought you had a meta reason.
But you have no reason. What is this BC.
Simple, meta says he doesnt directly talk to scummates until he has to
Meta says he until that point only interacts with town
Meta also says he keeps his cool and calmly makes posts
His interactions with grack were not calm, or cool. They were extremely heated. Untop of that grack continiously poked at him. That means he'd have to interact with him on some level. His demeanor changed from what you expect to see. IE it wasn't the same style of posting he normally does, this can only change for 2 reasons
He knew grack was scum and pissed
He knew grack was assassin and pissed.
Someone who shows an aptitude for not getting angry suddenly doing so means things have changed and usually because their shell cracked. He was getting pressured by a bunch of people but only 1 made him flip out. Why?
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On November 19 2013 01:45 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 01:30 Oatsmaster wrote:On November 19 2013 01:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 19 2013 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im pretty confused BC.
So Mocsta normally types very carefully to his scummates. But he is very angry with Grack this game. Therefore Grack is scum? He types carefully in general and ignores his teammates. The interaction with grack this game from what I saw in both games filters is completely unique. Its only that reason that it stands out to me. SO HOW DOES IT MAKE GRACK SCUM???? oats read gracks filter. what has he done besides not commit to actual scumhunting and resort to trolling whenever people try to get him to commit to scumhunting? ignore mocsta. tbh I agree with BC 100% on his analysis of moc's posts concerning grack and BH has made good points about the possible interactions between moc/grack. but ignore all of that. what is your read on grack when you ignore all of that? @BC Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 01:29 thrawn2112 wrote:
BC are you calling rayn mafia? What's your srs-ness level on this rayn stuff?
I can see both town and mafia reasons for what hes doing. I was heavily leaning town until he started pushing for claims. If a group of 3 people opted to not out 2 masons they likely had a reason. I also don't like that he lied in his case against me.
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On November 19 2013 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So BC does not want mafia outed. check.
Explain how it outs mafia please.
Id agree that sure there are likely scum within the masons however we have
what? 7 or 8 at this point running around/confirmed by death?
How can you confirm that with 2 more names to the pool you have guarenteed mafia?
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On November 19 2013 01:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
What BC? Can you guess what reasons the people have for not outing masons?
Why is outing masons good for scum and bad for town?
Yeah this is looking worse and worse for BC.
How? this setup is completely different than normal. masons can also have roles according to the OP. We just lost 4 blues in one day. You are opening up to a) lose more and b) fuck the game over with clear the masons.
Ive played that game before. It goes extremely fucking badly. You end up centering on people purely for a role and attempt to lynch/vig into a group properly and if you fail you end up offing town.
If there is some foolproof plan involved let everyone hear it. If hes asking for claims he should be upfront about why.
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On November 19 2013 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 02:01 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 19 2013 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 19 2013 01:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 18 2013 16:19 Blazinghand wrote:
like i'm kind of amazed people took that seriously. I didn't get RBed or shot so clearly scum didn't believe me so I guess I fucked up that chance to be cool but like come on man you aren't telling me you actually thought that crumb made sense? ._. Actually this post makes no sense because BH here retracts from his tracker claim and in that case he can't possibly know if he was roleblocked or not. Soooo.. /dunked Thrawn answer this post immediately. You are not allowed to call Grack scum until you debunk this argument. because he's not a tracker so everything he says regarding his tracker actions are bs /facepalm HE SAYS HE WAS NOT ROLEBLOCKED. IN THE SAME POST HE RETRACTS FROM HIS TRACKER CLAIM? srsly you can't read or are you scum?
if he knows he wasn't roleblocked it means he is one of these things
Mafia with a role that gets feedback (rolecop/vig)
town role that gets feedback (tracker/vig/maybe hatter)
Assassin that gets feedback from his check
So if you specifically look at just the roleblock portion you know hes one of those things.
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or as a last option, hes a lying toolbox which hes already admitted to.
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On November 19 2013 02:46 Mig wrote:Ok I am back. BC's case against Grack is completely retarded and factually incorrect. Did anyone read mocsta's filter before blindly believing that mocsta was only mad towards Grack? If anything mocsta might have been more angry with artanis. Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 00:39 Mocsta wrote:
This is an absolute joke.
Why are you intentionally trying to manipulate this situation into your favour.
Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 01:11 Mocsta wrote:
Now you are making yourself look stupid.
Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 01:27 Mocsta wrote:
This is absolutely pointless now and shitting the thread.
I made a new case on Storrzerg dipshit.
Mocsta also insults me and supersoft as well in his posts. I am not liking BC right now. His initial case against Grack was fluffed up with 5 paragraphs about trolling and now this bs.
He doesn't insult you really he calls your spreadsheet laughable. Not the same reaction he gave to grack. He said he expected better from supersoft. Again not exactly the same level as what he did with grack.
of those 3 quotes you used the closest thing you'd have to "dubunking" me is him calling artanis a dipshit.
However lets look at
[QUOTE]On November 17 2013 23:34 Mocsta wrote:
Grack
I'm gonna unleash a case on this fucker later on. But he is the cause of my pain this game: constantly trying to discredit me since I targetted his buddy Storrzerg. The worse thing is, he has been so consistent repeating the same message that others are starting to buy it. STOP!
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[QUOTE]On November 15 2013 12:01 Mocsta wrote:
Storrzerg isn't a noob. Anyways. This is pointless. I have identified my grievances with storrzerg and am somewhat surprised that you and oats are trying to cockblock storrzerg from having to respond.
I don't like this from either of you.
My suggestion is to shut up and let storrzerg respond. You can reassess your reads from there.
In the meantime. Grack. You dodged my question.
Who do YOU want to lynch, cos all I'm hearing is who you don't.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]On November 15 2013 15:44 Mocsta wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 15 2013 15:37 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm actually one of the few people not throwing out free town reads.[/QUOTE]
Disagree.
Everything you are doing is cockblocks.
And then hide behind pandain as the source of your scum reads.
You don't even comment if pandain is a strong town read for you to be able to share so strongly those reads.
So yes, I disagree vehemently[/QUOTE]
he has a few more in there. Seriously his reactions with everyone else and grack is worlds apart.
I would like you to input on more than just this though mig.
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On November 19 2013 03:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 02:46 Mig wrote:Ok I am back. BC's case against Grack is completely retarded and factually incorrect. Did anyone read mocsta's filter before blindly believing that mocsta was only mad towards Grack? If anything mocsta might have been more angry with artanis. On November 17 2013 00:39 Mocsta wrote:
This is an absolute joke.
Why are you intentionally trying to manipulate this situation into your favour.
On November 17 2013 01:11 Mocsta wrote:
Now you are making yourself look stupid.
On November 17 2013 01:27 Mocsta wrote:
This is absolutely pointless now and shitting the thread.
I made a new case on Storrzerg dipshit.
Mocsta also insults me and supersoft as well in his posts. I am not liking BC right now. His initial case against Grack was fluffed up with 5 paragraphs about trolling and now this bs. He doesn't insult you really he calls your spreadsheet laughable. Not the same reaction he gave to grack. He said he expected better from supersoft. Again not exactly the same level as what he did with grack. of those 3 quotes you used the closest thing you'd have to "dubunking" me is him calling artanis a dipshit. However lets look at Show nested quote +On November 17 2013 23:34 Mocsta wrote:
Grack
I'm gonna unleash a case on this fucker later on. But he is the cause of my pain this game: constantly trying to discredit me since I targetted his buddy Storrzerg. The worse thing is, he has been so consistent repeating the same message that others are starting to buy it. STOP!
Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 12:01 Mocsta wrote:
Storrzerg isn't a noob. Anyways. This is pointless. I have identified my grievances with storrzerg and am somewhat surprised that you and oats are trying to cockblock storrzerg from having to respond.
I don't like this from either of you.
My suggestion is to shut up and let storrzerg respond. You can reassess your reads from there.
In the meantime. Grack. You dodged my question.
Who do YOU want to lynch, cos all I'm hearing is who you don't. Show nested quote +On November 15 2013 15:44 Mocsta wrote:On November 15 2013 15:37 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm actually one of the few people not throwing out free town reads. Disagree. Everything you are doing is cockblocks. And then hide behind pandain as the source of your scum reads. You don't even comment if pandain is a strong town read for you to be able to share so strongly those reads. So yes, I disagree vehemently he has a few more in there. Seriously his reactions with everyone else and grack is worlds apart. I would like you to input on more than just this though mig.
Fixed I think
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This entire dayish roughly. IE the main people posting. Opinions on Rayne, pandain, thrawn, hopelessness
Realistically I know you have your notes but it would be nice to see you being active rather than popping out randomly to say things and vanish.
I honestly do think the reactions to grack and artanis are worlds apart. But then again thats my opinion. Keep in mind this is purely off a filter. Can you say honestly if you ignore mocstas entire filter/ignore he flipped red then look at grack the guy looks good? Nothing he has done this game aside from attack mocsta looks decent at all IMO.
Seriously. Any thoughts on anything would be nice about whats gone on in the last say 10-20 pages.
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On November 19 2013 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 03:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
This entire dayish roughly. IE the main people posting. Opinions on Rayne, pandain, thrawn, hopelessness
Realistically I know you have your notes but it would be nice to see you being active rather than popping out randomly to say things and vanish.
I honestly do think the reactions to grack and artanis are worlds apart. But then again thats my opinion. Keep in mind this is purely off a filter. Can you say honestly if you ignore mocstas entire filter/ignore he flipped red then look at grack the guy looks good? Nothing he has done this game aside from attack mocsta looks decent at all IMO.
Seriously. Any thoughts on anything would be nice about whats gone on in the last say 10-20 pages. How can you ask people to ignore Mocsta's filter and look into Grack when your whole case on Grack is based on how Mocsta talked to him. WTF MAN?
for day 2 yes? Did I not make a case on him day 1 that didn't operate on that ? Has he done anything TO FUCKING CHANGE THAT. NO HE HASN'T. Seriously, just seriously. Do you even fucking read?
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On November 19 2013 03:12 Oatsmaster wrote:
Rayn town.
Pandain town.
Thrawn dunno kinda leaning scum if he doesnt change his mind on Grack.
Hopeless scum for not doing shit and not reading the thread lol.
Actually BC, do you know how grack plays as town?
Like this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052&user=Grackaroni
Which is completely different from this game. Read that filter from hogwarts. Hes useful, consistantly. Does he still troll slightly? Yes, but he is active and actually doing shit that is indicative of his alignment there.
I see this game as completely different. I even posted this once before in thread. It is nice to know though that people aren't reading shit
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On November 19 2013 11:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
omg I'm dying. So funny.
Ehhhh...So what do you guys think about Pandain? BE HONEST NOW!!
Town. He has given me no reason to believe otherwise.
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On November 19 2013 11:48 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 11:47 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On November 19 2013 11:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
omg I'm dying. So funny.
Ehhhh...So what do you guys think about Pandain? BE HONEST NOW!! Town. He has given me no reason to believe otherwise. I have reason. Pretty good reason, actually. Once I remember what it is I'll get back with you.
Everything hes said to me screams town. I could be horribly wrong and he flip assassin but I don't see any of the interactions possible as scum tbh.
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On November 19 2013 11:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Which interactions are you referring to? Because in my experience any and all interactions are /possible/ from scum.
I don't think hes tricked me. I recognize he may not have convinced you of anything but I honestly don't think hes tricked me.
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