EPTTL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die - Page 12
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On November 24 2013 04:22 austinmcc wrote: (1) Mig is very very very unlikely to be mafia. (2) The scummiest thing I can find from him is the Bloodyc0bbler for mayor vote (3) Mig accounts for KP we cannot explain. If you think he is mafia, you think mafia used a 2-shot vig to hit sharrant and mattchew. When mattchew was called scummy by a bunch of people. Mafia has NOTHING to gain from NKing mattchew when he is such a nice mislynch for later, and mig shot him. (4) Read (3) again. Read it again, but backwards. Now stand on your head and read it. Mig isn't mafia. (5) I thought about putting posts in qt CALLING MIG SCUMMY TO TRY AND SAVE HIS LIFE TONIGHT GONNA TRY TO MAKE HIM SCUMMY BLAH BLAH but it's just not possible. Then I'm in a very, very real spot of trouble since Mig is going to want me dead the rest of the game. He's not the only one, either. Scum can just not shoot me and even if I'm saved tomorrow I'm a mislynch waiting to happen and scum is in control of when that trigger gets pulled. If scum keep me alive to lylo I will be lynched and we will lose. So I think I need to be lynched tomorrow. I'm going to state it in no uncertain terms right now. Tomorrow I will be voting to lynch myself. You should lynch me as well because this is going to dominate conversation and will be WAY too easy for scum to manipulate the rest of the game. It is unfortunate that we have to waste a lynch, but it is what it is. If there is ANY town kp left, please kill me. Having said that, it should now be assumed by everyone that I will be lynched tomorrow and I will flip town. From this point forward assume that I have flipped town. What are your reads going forward? How does that change how you view people you thought were town? This is not a joke, and I am not martyring. I am voting to removing myself so that mafia cannot use me against town throughout the remainder of the game. For those of you who will say "omg scum risen would totally want the conversation tomorrow to be completely off course for a whole day". You have a point, but I think removing me is worth that risk and you can still get very good information from an entire day of posting. Are there people defending me too hard? Why? Are there people trying to divert the lynch from me? Why? For now focus on me flipping town, and go through your reads very carefully. | ||
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What's the context of this? How did super know BC tried to kill you? On November 24 2013 17:04 Oatsmaster wrote: ##vote Risen I have no idea why Austin doesnt want to lynch risen. Agreed. Just look at how much confusion there is surrounding me. Lynch me today, focus on finding scum for tomorrow. This isn't a fucking martyr I'm not trying to prove a point. I'm saying that with how poorly I've played thus far we can't afford to let me keep living as lynchbait for the future. Imagine we hit a townie with the lynch today, then what do we do tomorrow? Go through the whole process again? Should probably look heavily into Oats. SS had a red "check" on him or something IIRC via his I blocked him and mafia kp -1 or something. Seemed like a stretch to me at the time but I mean he's conf town now so... ##vote: Risen | ||
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Equally people who are simply sheeping ss are suspect. OMG a flipped townie had scum reads we must follow them to the letter has never, EVER been advised on TL. Besides, if we're going to go with super's TOP scum read that title belongs to Oats, so you're just plain wrong. Regardless, I still need to be lynched today. I'll field as many questions before I go as possible. We still have a little over a day so plenty of time to pick through people's justifications for voting me. Those are my observations thus far. There is no case on me afaik, so people saying the case against me is strong are being odd. Finally, stop with the martyr posts. Saying martyr over and over does not make this a martyr. I recognize that my being alive is an obstacle that town must overcome or scum are going to use this to confuse conversation the rest of the game. Martyring would be "omg I suck just lynch me plz ugh". That's not what I'm doing. What I'm doing is very logical and calculated. I mean just look at all the horrible reasons people are having to come up with to vote for me. VA has town reads on both Thrawn and I and is voting for me what? Why not vote for your top scum read, I'm still the clear front runner to be lynched. Why not voice who your top scum read is at the very least if you want to hold your vote on me to stay in line with my reasoning for the day? | ||
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On November 25 2013 04:55 Grackaroni wrote: Risen just wants to WIFOM us out of lynching him lol. He's hoping someone will say at the last second "scum would never just martyr themselves if they are going to lose kp right?" He throws out these reads of scum being within me/vayne/Mig, tells us to lynch him so that we can trust his reads, and then gives absolutely no reasoning to help town lynch the mafia he doesn't think will get lynched. ##Vote: Risen This is a pro-town vote post. This is what people should be doing. Look very closely at the people who don't give proper justification and are trying to leave themselves open. Grack says "Risen trying to WIFOM bomb us" could be very true and is the reason I need to be lynched. Clears both the BC WIFOM bomb and any potential shenans I could be doing. "Risen is trying to make a big play here" my past plays are in line with this. This point is supported by meta without Grack saying omg look at Risen's past play metametameta. "No justification for reads" fair enough. I wish this post had actually included reasons my play was anti-town and pro-scum, but this is what people should be doing. Those who have not are suspect and need to be looked into. | ||
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On November 25 2013 05:04 Pandain wrote: Can you please explain why I am scum. I'm not satisfied by the logs fiasco outcome. I don't care that you "totally wanted to hide your vet status". You called a player you didn't knows alignment a liar openly in thread. You openly said "this player altered the logs" and that could very easily get someone lynched. This is followed by the SS kill at night. This removes the other half of the duo and almost "confirms you town" for 0 reason. How does that confirm you town in any way at all? You know what I fucking hate? All these people running around saying "I'm totally confirmed town because scum would never do this lololol". That's the reason scum would do it. Then there's your interactions with people earlier before that were giving me tingly feelings I didn't like. No specific example. | ||
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If I had to kill 4 people right now I would kill Onegu, Koshi, Oats, Thrawn | ||
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2) the question you need to ask yourself mig, since you seem to have a hard time with this, is does town risen have that big an ego? The answer is yes. That's what scum risen would say, too, though. I thought people last game were wrong saying risen only gets away with this kind of thing because he's so bad but now I think they're right lol. I thought I did a really good job establishing myself as town the first couple days. Clearly, I did not. | ||
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On November 25 2013 08:34 Holyflare wrote: Post at end of day - cause confusion - mislynch Post now - discussions - right lynch You are town and post at end of day - cause confusion - mislynch you/another towny = 2 nightkills = 3 town deaths You are town and post now - discussion - avoid possible mislynch = 1 night kill = 1 town death You are scum and post now - discussion - you die = 1 night kill = 1 town death You are scum and post later - cause confusion - possible mislynch = 2 night kills = 3 town deaths How is your option choice the one that = post later, that is the worst scenario. I hadn't thought about it like this. I was more thinking along the lines of catching people out who have more information about my alignment than they should. I'm not home until late tonight, though. I'll post cases then. I don't think any case would/should prevent my lynch, though. At best it delays it maybe if we hit scum. But what if we hit town? What if I'm wrong? | ||
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On November 25 2013 08:58 Alakaslam wrote: K risen. You are giving me WIFOM diarrhea. You weren't a town read, now you are, now I am going to disobey you which might be just what you want. Ultimate WIFOM, I have seen NOTHING like it ##unvote btw Scum scum scum Unvoting me because wifom? Really? Not voting another scum read of yours? No case on anyone else? | ||
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On November 25 2013 11:56 Mig wrote: So you are claiming to have been acting scummy and disappeared on purpose. Yet in your giant defend yourself post you blamed it on a poor thread environment. Makes a lot of sense. Can you explain why you think Risen is town? And obviously Risen doesn't want to post his cases until near lynch. 1) he is lazy/doesn't care at all about the town winning and 2) posting his cases right at the end ensures maximum confusion for the town. The only reason he may post them earlier now is because he was called out on how anti town it was. That is correct. | ||
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Someone asked earlier I think, but yes I'm just VT. No fakeclaim shenans coming from here. | ||
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I present the TIERS OF SCUM Onegu, Oats VA, Thrawn Austin, HF LM, Alakaslam Pandain, Koshi I'll make cases on Oats and Onegu. VA and Thrawn are scummy b/c of what I pointed out about VA today and what was pointed out about Thrawn yesterday (look at hiro as well) Pandain and HF have appeared scummy to me for a long while now but I can't remember why LM is a lurker and so is Alakatroll but alakatroll is trying to keep up the appearance of actually doing something which makes him more scummy of the two in my book Austin and Koshi bot-tier scum reads who I'd only really lynch at lylo because Koshi for pushing rayn so hard when I didn't have a scum read on rayn and Austin for how hard he is defending me. Austin is controlling discussion at the moment, though, so... Also for a real quick nitpick I don't understand what Pandain meant by his justification of what he considered might be thought of as a slip on his part. | ||
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On November 26 2013 03:01 VayneAuthority wrote: yea that thing that you pointed out that I responded to and you never followed up on because it's incorrect lol g1 Oh, link? | ||
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On November 26 2013 03:08 VayneAuthority wrote: you answered my own question though, you arent reading the game, that is clear from not even seeing that I'm confused as to how that post answered my concerns toward you? I did read that post. I didn't know that's what you meant when you said you had already answered. | ||
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