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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 21 2013 18:28 GMT
#4861
On November 22 2013 03:23 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 03:16 Holyflare wrote:
On November 22 2013 03:14 Koshi wrote:
How can you even say it isn't when you got scumreads on both LM and BC...


because I can vote both LM and BC AND keep the town member in..............?

But you aren't fucking sure both are scum?

You actually get to pick out your top 3 scums and lynch them on the same day and only have to sacrifice 1 townie. (who isn't even confirmed town, because we had 2 MH claims back then)

It's a fucking brilliant plan because if you hit 2 scums out of those 3 you remove another 1 KP from scum. Which makes up for the fact that you just lynched a townie.

And then I am not even talking about all the fucking information you get.


Plan was perfect.



How CAN I be sure that both are scum!?!??! I'm pretty damn confident about BC but LM is just a confusing outlier. I didn't believe we had 2 MH's even for a second that would be ridiculous, that could have been 12 kp in favour of scum on night 1. You get a lot of information with 2 lynches. What if they were both wrong?? That information just fucks everything up, it could make your third read the total opposite of what you think. 2 lynches is enough for today and we get more than enough information out of it without sacrificing a towny.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 21 2013 18:36 GMT
#4868
On November 22 2013 03:26 Koshi wrote:
Grack/Holyflare/others.

Any chance we can get some lists? Like a full list like VA gave

Towny town:
Likely town:
likely scum:
certain scum:




I don't like lists, especially giving out town reads. Town reads tend to get shot.

My scum list though is: BC, LM?, Pandain?, Hopeless, Oats?

? marks are uncertanties, BC and hopeless I made cases on before and hopeless only rectified himself because of a pandain case, that has now been thrown out the window on his return.

LM, Pandain and Oats are my questionables because LM = lurker, Pandain is now = lurker and Oats has some outlying meta that I need to re-check.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 21 2013 19:35 GMT
#4907
On November 22 2013 04:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Coag's tunnel on Grack is quite ridiculous.


god you are funny :D
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 21 2013 22:23 GMT
#4966
Agree with most of those greens apart from slam, why town on him?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 21 2013 22:24 GMT
#4967
I also want to know who you rb'd the following days after oats, if you thought oats was delivering the nk why didn't you block him over and over again??
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 21 2013 23:21 GMT
#4992
On November 16 2013 14:13 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 13:45 yamato77 wrote:
On November 16 2013 13:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
On November 16 2013 13:37 yamato77 wrote:
On November 16 2013 13:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yamato reveal the secrets your masonry keeps hidden from the rest of us. TELL ME WHAT I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT LONEMEOW!!!

he wants to know what I think about rayn

i haven't really invested much time paying attention to rayn

That usually pays out in the end man. Is that it? Like, just asking you about rayn? Do you think he's town or scum based on your interactions?

there's not much to base it off of

honestly, with how super and I talked about it earlier, I think LM is town and it's not worth fretting over



I honestly have no idea how this argument keeps getting used IN FAVOUR of LM. He's contributed jack shit, his only posts in the mason chat are asking what yamato thinks about rayn. This is 100% LM that I saw in hogwarts when he was scum. He comes into the QT, asks what he should do with his power and asks who he should focus on. His power got used on conveniently the most towny person at the start of the game without reading.... despite him knowing the playstyles of other people (both factions) whereas he only knows one playstyle of yamato's, his reason for doing it? He picked a random person on the player list.... His only participation in this thread is shock at storrzerg being new/not new. Congratulations, he's in the background again.







This now applies to LM imo.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 22 2013 00:22 GMT
#5020
Anyone that thinks what BC is doing is town is pathetic at this game. His "reads" aren't reads, it's 2 "cases" and 2 random names. The only ones he thinks he has reasoning for are mig and grack, where do mine and hopeless' names fit in? They don't, it's 2 random names from his aggressive post that called us lurkers and not contributing. That has clearly changed for me since then and slightly for hopeless but he still maintains the same reads with no reasoning whatsoever. His attitude is completely defeatist and he is most definitely not town.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 22 2013 00:55 GMT
#5035
On November 22 2013 09:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 09:22 Holyflare wrote:
Anyone that thinks what BC is doing is town is pathetic at this game. His "reads" aren't reads, it's 2 "cases" and 2 random names. The only ones he thinks he has reasoning for are mig and grack, where do mine and hopeless' names fit in? They don't, it's 2 random names from his aggressive post that called us lurkers and not contributing. That has clearly changed for me since then and slightly for hopeless but he still maintains the same reads with no reasoning whatsoever. His attitude is completely defeatist and he is most definitely not town.


What have you done lately? You sheep other peoples reads quite well, you also would have known of artanis' true shot given you were masoned with him and were willing to fake claim for him. I know I'm town, I know that two people who claimed they were going to shoot me didn't. One claimed after deadline he wasn't firing at me, and given at the time you knew who he was likely going to shoot you as scum could easily manipulate the situation with a block / shot.

Aside from that what have you done?

You spent part of day 1 defending my top scum read (red flag)
youve argued repeatedly with Rayn, adding to the clutter of the thread. These arguments are usually pointless. (red flag)
You needed to be prodded into contributing repeatedly(red flag)
You jump consistently on people already viewed as scum(red flag)
you opted to ignore your top scum read and vote elsewhere and had to be convinced to change your vote d2 (red flag)
you claim to be contributing but you have spent most of the game tunneling me.(red flag)
You essentially let a lie out of a player slide(red flag)

Honestly your filter looks as garbage as my own and yet here we stand with me as a lynch target and people thinking your town.



Please, if you think half the town are wrong in their reads enlighten them to the places where these things make sense because as I see it 5 of those points are wrong.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 22 2013 01:03 GMT
#5036
Can I just outline this for you please. I claimed that I shot mocsta and BC's first reaction is that I'm still scum. Does this make any sense to anyone?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 22 2013 03:23 GMT
#5058
On November 22 2013 10:37 austinmcc wrote:
I don't think you're useless as town, and there are too many little questions and things that look sexy in your D1/D2 filters.


Please elaborate because I got a completely different feel from d1/d2
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 22 2013 03:25 GMT
#5060
On November 22 2013 12:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also Vayne see the quote there. I was not lying in ## scum QT. Never.
I also feel you, as i said. Just can't meke myself to give a fuck with these ppl. :p



Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 22 2013 03:27 GMT
#5062
I seem to remember him saying " I don't care if I get banned for this", was that the same thing?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 22 2013 03:30 GMT
#5064
On November 22 2013 05:52 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 05:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
On November 22 2013 05:15 Alakaslam wrote:
On November 22 2013 03:46 Koshi wrote:
Like every lynch, in every game, scum splits up their votes. I don't know why but they do that.

Fact check:
My scum team didn't in aperture- we specifically hammered mean I still wasn't lynched XD
As scum that game was glorious, like this one
It's my restitution for using false insanity meta to do things nobody would have gotten away with in that one


scum claim right? so yea im gonna save my bomb and lynch this guy instead

Yeah right on

If I get banned for this I'm not even going to try to in anything and will devote wholly to co/hosting games after the sit out

I like larger games but when I say that I mean more players/ roles/ etc not entire pages made up of two fools who block out anyone who says anything.

Yeah Rayn I suppose it makes it tough for scum to keep up but how much town was also left in the dust, look at this mire.

Yet you are now indispensible. Deal with it or if you are not scum and I don't get banned, sorry but I out anything you enter except voice games. I never thought I would say such a thing. But it is just hostile

I'm not even focusing as much as I should on my job, I'm outta here until 5



.......................? Did he really just do that?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 22 2013 03:30 GMT
#5065
Or am I misreading sarcasm
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 22 2013 03:34 GMT
#5067
On November 22 2013 12:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol what yeah Slam.
Do you want to lynch Vayne Holyflare and Rayn?


Is that a question to the thread or asking slam?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 22 2013 03:49 GMT
#5077
Thank you, I totally misread it.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 22 2013 03:50 GMT
#5079
I still don't get why some people wouldn't be voting BC by the way. This vig shot scenario is pretty much confirming him as scum..?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 22 2013 03:55 GMT
#5083
If pandain was scum, what would be the point of masoning somebody to say nothing? Don't you think that's obvious incrimination?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 22 2013 03:56 GMT
#5084
Alternatively hopeless and pandain are scum buddies and hopeless is adding this to try and gain credit.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
November 22 2013 03:56 GMT
#5085
Or pandain is actually just scum He did claim vet too after all.
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