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i'm being kicked out of newbies, time to play with the big boys. /in post in moderation ok guys thx | ||
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also, aren't there only 1 or 2 1-posters in here? unless you're telling me people have hundred/thousand post smurfs! | ||
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On October 31 2013 08:16 Grackaroni wrote: Typical smurf not caring about other smurfs. is he a Palmar smurf, you think? i honestly thought they were the same person up until yesterday. i hope that's inoffensive for either party - i just have trouble focusing on more than 2 letters or so at a time. | ||
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arrested development quotes aside -- your throwing darts at the player board didn't seem worth addressing, especially since you've picked someone who's probably going to be at school or work for the next 10 hours. why oatsmaster? do you like picking individuals who aren't around to defend themselves, mr. grackaroni? | ||
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On October 31 2013 12:13 Grackaroni wrote: I have come to the conclusion that this man is Palmar. There will be no further questions! no, i want to ask a question -- why does pandain only get to ask one. asinine, what's your reason for smurfing? i can think of only 2 reasons. which one is yours: [a] you have a reputation known throughout the land of being an excellent scum hunter, and you don't want to die night 1. [b] you believe your meta is so obvious people would be able to read your play day 1. [c] other (please expand) | ||
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On October 31 2013 12:53 hzflank wrote: I would think my chances of actually identifying scum on day one are less than 31%, therefore RNG would yield better results for me. Ofcourse, We would need to decide on who rolls the dice. How should we do that? I suggest we vote on it. BH suggested a pretty good method in the recent heavyweights game. On October 02 2013 09:10 Blazinghand wrote: For RNG, this post will be used for generating a random lynch. The # in the upper left corner can be right-clicked and used to access the absolute TL post # for this post. That number mod 9 is the random lynch. 1 =Oats, 2 = rayn, etc, all the way up to 8 = holyflare and 0 = sloosh. The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-9 by taking that number mod 9. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 10 mod 9 = 1. 11 mod 9 = 2. 18 mod 9 = 0. 19 mod 9 = 1. and so on. Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 9. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST. On October 02 2013 09:11 Blazinghand wrote: 19886995 mod 9 = 1. That's Oatsmaster. ##vote Oatsmaster i suggest we use that very method and use THIS POST. i've got to get to bed though, someone who's around mind calculating it? | ||
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##Vote: Pandain @JJB your case on hz hinges on the fact that he is the scummiest person to have suppprted RNG and you expect scum to have split their opinions on this issue. if that's the case, who's the scummiest person NOT supporting RNG, because by your logic at least one person against it must be scum. | ||
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On November 01 2013 03:03 hzflank wrote: So Bereft, you also thought that I was pro-rng lynch? I interpreted your post where you calculated the RNG then said we didn't need to do anything for 45h as advocation without commitment | ||
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I initially had a pretty town read on grack considering he was the only one who seemed to care about the game fof the first 12 hours or so, but now I find it incongruous that he suddenly tunnels on oats for pushing easy lynch bait, when going back to reread the filters, I find like a 1 liner from oats on the subject, and a much harder push from laughing jack. while I would agree the "I make mistakes as town" defense is weak, this post in particular seemed a bit like he was grasping to me: On November 01 2013 14:07 Grackaroni wrote: I read through your filter in Heavyweight Championship and it is ringing some alarm bells You don't normally think of yourself as bad... Only when it is serves a purpose to do it. This is also strange considering your original reaction to me/Pandain. I was hoping you would continue your OMGUS on me so that I could be more sure of my read but I'm still reasonably convinced. two waaay different contexts. in one oats is blatantly being told he sucks balls, which would raise anyone's hackes. grack any particular reason you find oats suspicions of JJD more suspicious that LJ's suspicions of the same individual? I also noticed LJ's suspicions of JJD seem to have conveniently disappeared since the 3 pages of arguing between you and oats. while I agree that it's extremely likely JJD is an overwhelmed newbie, I don't think that + him being scum are mutually exclusive events. this post really bothers me, and I'm surprised people are so willing to overlook it: On October 31 2013 22:33 JarJarDrinks wrote: I think it's pro-scum. But I still think it'd be something I'd be afraid of if I was scum if that makes sense. Because there still is that 30% chance that my team would get screwed on day 1 and there'd be nothing I could do about it. So what exactly are you calling Hzflank scummy for? Promoting random lynch? [/QUOTE]Yeah. Other people pointed out stuff that didn't look for him good either. And like, the way I see it, when there's something that people need to take a stance on, very rarely will all the scummies end up on the same side of the issue. So I think there's a real good chance that one of the pro-RNGers is scum. And I think hzflank is the scummiest of them.[/QUOTE] the implication is that you assume or believe at least 2 of the scum team have posted about RNG at that point in time. yet there are is 0 consideration of who the scummers supporting RNG could be. and when you realize hz was being sarcastic, you drop the issue entirely. what caused that whole case to become null? | ||
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 . am aware of what a total cop out afk vote it looks like and i understand the suspicion.right now, asinine and laughing jack are my top 2 lynch candidates for tomorrow. re: asinine while i don't find it scummy that he would push for hz over fuba (since that's actually in line with his main read for the entirety of day 1), he defends fuba instead of going on the offense on hz. i.e. he doesn't advocate why hz is a more solid lynch candidate or why hz is more probable scum. his long post mainly articulates why he doesn't like how quickly votes are piling on without a good case, which as a stand alone might be fair, but then it's followed up with this: On November 02 2013 08:05 Asinine wrote: I would also like to clarify that I'm not saying fuba is town. I'm saying all the cases that have been presented to me regarding fuba are either weak(Pandain) or malevolent cherry-picking(hzflank). to me this implies he thinks fuba might be scum -- which then makes it weird that he was not at all open to fuba as a lynch candidate for consideration. the one thing that gives me pause is why he would fight so hard to defend an absent scum buddy. seems incredibly ballsy. re: laughing jack i don't quite buy his #idgaf attitude. if he were a newbie, sure. as a smurf vet - i don't think it'd be at all hard to feign. he initially says he has no read on hz but would want to vote hz since hz's flip would reveal the most information. but he doesn't change his vote and before he disappears appears to change his stance from lynch candidate of "active townie with many interactions" to "a more-than-1-liner lurker". On November 02 2013 04:04 Laughing Jack wrote: I took a break from the thread and I'll be unexpectedly going to a party tonight, I'll try to find some corner and read up on the thread and vote later tonight. I probably want to lynch into the first three quarters of of the day lurkers, but not 1-posters. fuba would be much more fitting of this description than hz. but then he comes back and votes hz right as the 07 train is gaining steam and pulling out of the station. i'm crashing now, but it's finally the weekend so i'll be around tomorrow. | ||
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On October 24 2013 11:04 Bereft wrote: omg a normal mini?! but this is exactly what i wanted! i'm being kicked out of newbies, time to play with the big boys. /in post in moderation ok guys thx i didn't plan on leaving my vote on you but that's spilt milk at this point. that being said i'm not sure if i agree with some of your town reads on the basis that they voted fuba. in particular the stutters vote stands out. he FOS'ed both fuba and hz initially, but gave himself an out with the fuba read, saying that he could more obviously read fuba in the future. but then right before the deadline he changes his vote back to fuba. what's the incentive of doing that as town if hz has been your preferred candidate this entire time? hz right now is reading town to me, so assuming he is, i'd think as scum there's far more upside in bussing an afk team mate (who didn't even come back to defend himself) than to be the final vote on a town flip. | ||
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On November 03 2013 07:02 Pandain wrote: Don't you think mafia would, as a whole, take a backwards stance to this. Ideally just step back from the conflict? After all, I was the one who had to lead a counter lynch to lynch fuba. Scum don't want to be defending him, nor do they want to be prosecuting him. It would all be indirect. Biggest reasoning as to why me and Grack are town. i think whether they choose to prosecute him really depends on how they're evaluating risk/reward in the scenario. obviously as you and grack were the ones that put hard pressure where none previously existed you are town, unless that was some fucking brilliant play. but to the voters who followed you, no, i don't see avoiding the conflict entirely as the obvious overarching mafia strategy here. | ||
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if you are town as you say and you are vig'ed, assuming no doctor saves, we now have 2 instead of 3 mislynches: On November 03 2013 05:17 Pandain wrote: 9-3 DAY 2 STARTS 8-3 MISLYNCH 7-3 DAY 3 STARTS 6-3 MISLYNCH 5-3 DAY 4 STARTS 4-3 MISLYNCH So we have at least three more lynches, unless a vig shoots a town. Last lynch will of course be trickiest if we don't lynch scum. 8-3 DAY 2 STARTS 7-3 MISLYNCH 6-3 DAY 3 STARTS 5-3 MISLYNCH | ||
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if he's a pretty transparent mafia player, the vote on fuba would not be in line with previous behavior. not as confident with this read as i am with grackapack -- would like to hear his current reads. previously everyone was operating under the assumption he was an overwhelmed newbie, but he's actually played quite a few games so it's very possible i'm underestimating him. | ||
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On November 03 2013 07:17 Pandain wrote: Do you agree JarJar is town for being the fourth to follow and therefore really pushing him into the limelight? | ||
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On November 02 2013 15:53 Bereft wrote: fwiw (which i know is not much) i had no intention of actually leaving my vote on pandain - thought i'd have time to come back before the deadline . am aware of what a total cop out afk vote it looks like and i understand the suspicion.right now, asinine and laughing jack are my top 2 lynch candidates for tomorrow. re: asinine while i don't find it scummy that he would push for hz over fuba (since that's actually in line with his main read for the entirety of day 1), he defends fuba instead of going on the offense on hz. i.e. he doesn't advocate why hz is a more solid lynch candidate or why hz is more probable scum. his long post mainly articulates why he doesn't like how quickly votes are piling on without a good case, which as a stand alone might be fair, but then it's followed up with this: to me this implies he thinks fuba might be scum -- which then makes it weird that he was not at all open to fuba as a lynch candidate for consideration. the one thing that gives me pause is why he would fight so hard to defend an absent scum buddy. seems incredibly ballsy. re: laughing jack i don't quite buy his #idgaf attitude. if he were a newbie, sure. as a smurf vet - i don't think it'd be at all hard to feign. he initially says he has no read on hz but would want to vote hz since hz's flip would reveal the most information. but he doesn't change his vote and before he disappears appears to change his stance from lynch candidate of "active townie with many interactions" to "a more-than-1-liner lurker". fuba would be much more fitting of this description than hz. but then he comes back and votes hz right as the 07 train is gaining steam and pulling out of the station. i'm crashing now, but it's finally the weekend so i'll be around tomorrow. | ||
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##Vote: Asinine | ||
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I think its possible that (a) asinines mafia buddy is voting asinine, praying that you/any grackapack sheepers will jump on the bereft vote. (b) you or odin are asinines mafia scum buddy, notably odin who distances himself from asinine while he's going balls to the wall to defend fuba right before the deadline. (c) asinine isn't mafia after all, in which case I would be most suspicious of some kind of a LJ/poofter/hopeless combo. | ||
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the fact that asinine fought the fuba lynch tooth and nail but then volunteered to get vig'd because we're "so far ahead" & can't be bothered to defend himself now is weird though, admittedly. | ||
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On November 05 2013 02:51 Pandain wrote: Yeah I'm not voting Asinine today. but you'll vote for me? in what world is his play less scummy than mine?? | ||
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. day 1 we suffered from all being afk mtherfkers, and by the time I came back into the thread 20 mins before the deadline, I felt my hands were tied. while I never meant to leave my vote on pandain, to bus fuba would've put everything asinine had stuck his neck out for in vain, so staying afk seemed the least incriminating of options. after oats was shot it was almost impossible not to immediately throw in the towel. | ||
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game was pretty much lost -- it seemed like the best option was to hope you guys over thought and mind fucked yourselves. | ||
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On November 04 2013 07:07 Pandain wrote: Yo bereft was playing since 2010 why was she in newbies. She was playing with my old boys. I have one possible solution but I'll see if she says it. also pandain i missed this earlier - i joined newbies because i only played a handful of games almost 3 years ago and if this game was any indication i need the practice! i noticed you had a slight town lean on me after day 1 which transitioned into a hardcore scum read on day 2. i know part of it was due to my absence (i lacked the motivation to fight it out once oats got vig'ed and an asinine lynch was practically a certainty), but was a large part from reading my newbie games?? there seems a lot more meta focus than i remember there being in the past.. | ||
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On September 04 2013 11:56 Bereft wrote: @holyflare - agreed that meta has its merits, especially in a newbie game. i think that newbies' meta could be easier to discern vs. vets because we aren't as self-aware in our game play. | ||
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