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On October 18 2013 13:54 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'll admit we had a pretty useless Palmar D1 as town in Boardwalk Empire. He died N1 ofc. By useless I mean it seemed he wasn't interacting with much of the thread and kinda tunnelled stuff that seemed irrelevant, but he did turn out mostly right.
I'm stuck on Palmar; because he was pretty useless at the start in Nomination Mafia.
Then he flicked on a switch and became a super-town god (IIRC this happened D2).
I think as town or scum; Palmar also has to chase the SAM claim; so the action is non-alignment indicative.
What *could* be alignment-indicative is his unwillingness to do anything else in the thread, except wait for me.
Unfortunately if he wants a live conversation, based on time zones this is difficult.
Frankly, I expect much more from a scum Palmar (i.e. not be be caught on something so.... ?obvious?)
Then again, in Thug Life he did start he was a MCB at the start.
All this mumbo jumbo infers, I have a null read on Palmar currently. Let us see how he reacts to me addressing his question.
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On October 18 2013 14:01 Mattchew wrote:
Moc that conclusion is (mean word here)
You are right though, i wanted to differentiate between smart and correct, that is because i was reading mafiascum wiki
Also, i asked a question about if the correct play was to auto lynch a claimed miller... For you, pandain and any other (redacted named calling) saying that i said to actually do it, please stop skewing what i said, it is quite frustrating
Okie Dokie.
So you respond on one item; why abstain on the other(s).
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MattChew,
while you are at it.
Will you lynch Zaragon?
Why/Why Not?
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On October 18 2013 11:01 Sn0_Man wrote:Im kinda a mini player. People kinda... blend together in my mind in these games  Free townreads for LA/Toad/ET/SS for now tho.
Sn0, you are one of those players that a few are publicly finding difficult to read and/or scummy.
Can you please give me a run down on why Toad gets a hard town read.
Can you also please also choose 1 of (LA/ET/SS).
Thanks sir
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On October 18 2013 14:05 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 14:04 Mocsta wrote:
MattChew,
while you are at it.
Will you lynch Zaragon?
Why/Why Not? Thats bh right? I wouldnt care either way if he died... Plus hes syltherin right?
(1) Why do you think he is in Slytherin?
(2) How can you not care? This does not make sense; is he scummy or not?
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On October 18 2013 14:11 Sn0_Man wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 18 2013 14:06 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 11:01 Sn0_Man wrote:Im kinda a mini player. People kinda... blend together in my mind in these games Free townreads for LA/Toad/ET/SS for now tho. Sn0, you are one of those players that a few are publicly finding difficult to read and/or scummy. Can you please give me a run down on why Toad gets a hard town read. Can you also please also choose 1 of (LA/ET/SS). Thanks sir Not "hard" townreads. More like, No interest in lynching, and i'm lending value to what they say simply because all of them have well thought out posts. I'm considering them town/pro-town until evidence comes up. Toad especially has been decently open about setup speculation stuff that I doubt a scummer would talk about regarding certain anti-town roles in our house. And he's the only useful player in our house QT (me included, i'm useless there). Thanks, I'm in ya house too
So. Aside from setup speculation: Do you know who Toad thinks is scummy? Has that been clearly outlined?
What do you think of his 3 anti-town role theory?
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On October 18 2013 14:20 Mattchew wrote:
and i have no read on zara/bh but if BH doesnt want to post then he can die
Yes, you are right. I forgot zaragon was in my house.
We had a security breach and the QT was closed down. I thought it was because the hosts accidently gave the wrong QT link to BH haha.
So even though I wrote a spiel on zaragon being scum: you still have no opinion on zaragon; yet don't care if zaragon/BH die?
Very odd to me.
See I don't have a firm opinion on Palmar, but don't want Palmar to be lynched. you know, as town.. I want scum to be lynched; not 50/50 reads.
Either way: You clearly are trying to make this unproductive; which ironically does nothing to improve my read on you.
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On October 18 2013 14:27 Holyflare wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Town is suffering from a "which lurker do we kill" scenario.
I agree with your calls though Mocsta, mattchew has been buddy buddying up to people in QT/thread, without giving proper reads, seems to be on the defensive a lot. I haven't checked his meta or whatever to see what he normally does but I'd expect some scum reads at least at this stage in the game. A lot has happened after all.
Zaragon/BH, well it's BH's birthday or whatever so it's expected afking but that shouldn't be an excuse either. Your meta points about Zara also are noteworthy, I will investigate for myself. On the flipside BH posts normally contain content and I have reads on him so I would prefer to say, keep him in over other lurkers. i.e. Onegu, Palmar (depends on reactions), Stutters, Sn0 (potentially), Tunkeg??????? Onegu's apologetic posts were already said to be alignment neutral, he says sorry in all factions. However, his posting has been inexcusable since then. Matt has expressed that Onegu's posts (despite lacking) contain what he thinks to be town orientated meta for Onegu. I find it hard to determine based on the meta I've read and what he's posted though, need some actual content. Lynchworthy if posting doesn't seriously pick up. Yes, Onegu has been apologetic as either alignment, but the fruits promised are not what was delivered. So we agree there.
Look, I am hesitant to say this, but, I do have a scum read on Syllogism. I just don't want to push him Day1 out of respect for his potential as a town asset. One thing that really struck me, is his response to EchelonTeas case on Onegu + Rayn.
(1) ET: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=431052¤tpage=30#581 @ 20.07
(2) Syllogism with a prompt delurk
On October 17 2013 20:15 syllogism wrote:
I'm not familiar with Koshi's play, but that was my impression as well. Skanjab seemed like a very easy target in the sense that he looked like an easy target. Mafia instinct is to go after those, while townies are a bit more likely to stop and re-evaluate or just reach a different conclusion immediately.
His previous post was 4hrs beforehand, so yes, this is a delurk. Which implies that he specifically posted to convey something of importance - making this reaction far more creditable for a scum mindset.
(1) In this delurk he AVOIDS TALKING ABOUT ONEGU
(2) In this delurk Syllo talks in generics (seemed like.. mafia instinct is to go after those).. Hes not stating this is applicable to Koshi, rather inferring it.
(3) Ironically, the instinct Syllogism discusses is completely valid in relation to how Syllo approached the matter himself.
Regardless of being a slow starter; I can't see a reason for a town syllo to make this +1 post. Its out of character for a "legend" of the game.
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So you probably wonder who I would like to lynch first?
My best read is Zaragon (mainly out of meta familiarity.. I will be shocked if he is town)
However, I would probably suggest Onegu be lynched.
If he is town, we got rid of a useless, non-contributing lurker. (Whilst lynching town sucks, its better to get rid of deadweight Day1, then Day 4)
If he is scum; we get a good association tell to lynch Syllogism.
To me, that is win-win.
Anyway, Mocsta. There are a myriad of choices for lynching into lurkers that I'd be comfortable with. What I want to know though is your take on the Cephiro situation. He has posted one post in this entire thread - that yes - had content, however, rayn has been mentioning that he's been posting in the QT a lot more and also gave some compelling reasons for a scum Cephiro. His post here: Click me!.
Hes not doing that this game, rather, he is being caught lurking because he posted sometimes in the QT. I dont think that is scummy in itself.
Based on his big post: I liked it.. I mean, 3 of his scum reads align with mine. And I can't blame him for assuming Palmar is scum ( i really want to think that, but am trying to ground myself).. So with Cephiro, I am happy to keep him around to Day2, but I expect him to keep producing posts like that.
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Active lurker syllo
Why are you resorting to fallacious: argumentum ad populum?
What, because others did not find your effort to ignore onegu suspicious, the act is not suspicious?
That you reciprocate to my observation the way you, warms my heart as well.
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So.. whose scum syllo?
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That answer is satisfactory actually.
I never said I wanted you lynched day1 anyways.
If you would care to indulge me with your expert insight, however.
What do you make of onegu?
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Flare already pointed out that echelontea points are null as that behaviour is consistent with onegu as town or scum.
How does this impact your read/observations.
Is there a particular reason you chose to query onegu over qt instead of the thread?
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Also syllo.
Can I please have your take on the mattchew smart/correct self-edit.
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I don't have a problem with qt interrogation.
It in this case. I think it's pertinent to understand the content of questions asked.
Onegu is a potential lynch candidate for today afterall.
Are you able to paraphrase what was asked?
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On October 18 2013 16:31 syllogism wrote:
I don't think I can get anything out of that, other than that he was thinking about the issue rather and perhaps even reading mafiascum wiki when he said that. If he was, that's actually slightly towny.
I'm dumb. Can you walk me through why it's townie.
He's read mafia wiki. What is the significance of the change/connotation and why is it not a null or scum indicator?
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On October 18 2013 16:33 syllogism wrote:
I noted that he had boasted about his ability to accurately read Koshi and inquired as to whether he yet had a good read. The content of the question isn't important, the answer is. There is no answer, likely because he isn't here.
Thanks syllo.
Fair question to onegu. Hopefully he responds in the thread so the answer doesn't have to be paraphrased
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Thanks for the q/a session.
My weekend just started and I'm off.
I'm excited to find out who you are voting syllo.
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Ohh no. I'm just keen to understand where your line in the sand is drawn.
Anyhow
Deadline is 4am for me...
I still support the 3 candidates I propose earlier.
I will vote for who is leading out of those 3 when I get home.
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Wtf Sno.
In the qt u wanted to policy lynch me based on palmar follow up.
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On October 18 2013 22:57 Hopeless1der wrote:
Mocsta, why is syllo getting a free pass day1 for being a potential town asset and BH(Zaragon) is not?
Because zaragon was my best scum read.
Bh doesn't affect that.
I will give cephiro some co sideratiin when I get home.
I don't feel confident with him in general after noir regardless.
So fat one gu looks better too so I'm not interested in him currently.
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