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On October 09 2013 00:52 marvellosity wrote: is "vote for who you think is mafia" suddenly a foreign concept?
Did I miss some massive meta shift in the last few days that passed me by completely?
Suspicious behaviour is not the same as being mafia. You need to look at all the facts.
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On October 09 2013 01:10 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 01:08 Holyflare wrote:On October 09 2013 00:52 marvellosity wrote: is "vote for who you think is mafia" suddenly a foreign concept?
Did I miss some massive meta shift in the last few days that passed me by completely? Suspicious behaviour is not the same as being mafia. You need to look at all the facts. you're suggesting i haven't?
No, I'm saying that you're saying I should be voting you etc? If I haven't looked at the facts and just theorise it's not the same thing and isn't vote worthy.
I do want to also check up on clarity.
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How does clarity play as scum/town by the way?
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I called rayn bad and you told me to stop >_>
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I'm going to open in every game with the sentence I'm a noob thrown in.
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I just spent like an hour reading and re-reading the last few pages and then making a case on dirkzor only to re-read rayn a bit. He makes risen look suspicious as hell. Ends up voting sloosh and says no to risen? Calls risen town all game, etc etc.
This game confuses the shit out of me but I'll post the abridged version on dirk for now and then look up risen a bit more:
You guys really believe this?
On October 09 2013 22:20 Dirkzor wrote: Fuck it...
I don't think Marv is scum. I kinda did a little bit yesterday but mostly it was to see who followed me there to catch the last scum. Scum wan't to get of marv, right? So whoever sheeped me had to be scum...
Yesterday didn't bother me much, but today it is kinda getting to me all that shitcalling from marv. Didn't sign up to get yelled at. Don't want to wait for Risen or HF anymore.
Anyway lynch me if you like...
##Unvote ##Vote Risen
Think about it logically. He thinks a guy is scum, so makes a case on him, only to not think he is scum after all but then suddenly it's a trap for me and risen. If the guy who he is making a case on is arguing with him, why would he be so put down? He thinks that guy is scum, the guy whose case it's on will literally say anything to make him think he's wrong so why listen to it? If it was a trap he could literally afk and wait for someone to agree with him and then jump him.
He feels disheartened because he knows marv is town and can't logically push through his case anymore. This is what marv said he does when he is scum, attacks a person but can't keep it up because he knows he is wrong.
Coupled with this straight after:
On October 09 2013 22:32 Dirkzor wrote: Yes I am. Look you pointed out why my push was so weird yourself. I've had a town read on you most of the game. I just ended up in a situation where everyone was town. I looked at filters and noone looked scum. So why the hell not...
He thought marv was town but made a case on him anyway to lay a trap which he didn't follow through with. What's the point of that???
So what does he do now, votes risen whom he even says:
On October 09 2013 22:35 Dirkzor wrote: Risen looks town because of the whole lynch D1 (that part is true). I can't believe Risen would make that big a case on his scumbuddy on 2nd part of day 1 when lynch wasn't decided. That combined with his voteswitches D1.
Marv looks town just in general. Only minor things that he looks scum for is his disappearence D1 lynch and the way he acted out D2. I had similar thoughts D2 so I couldn't really say either way.
Look, I'm all for finding scum but this oats night kill kinda screws with everything. However, everyone has already theorised about the oats kill and the only player that it can potentially make sense from is Dirk. Risen was all over oats, everyone was finding oats scummy, he could have literally as everyone has already said, ride the dirk/oats train to victory. So, why on earth would he kill oats? It doesn't make logical sense in this scenario (other than killing him because he got on his nerves).
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Oh also, by the way. If it was dirkzor's intention "to lay a trap"
On October 09 2013 01:32 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 01:08 Holyflare wrote: You may have the traits of a towny but there is always that lingering suspicious nature about you. You were SO SURE about sloosh that when people (oats, risen, dirk etc.) were doing extra scum hunting that you thought it was funny and wouldn't participate. You effectively did not participate in an entire day because you "thought the game was solved". Here we are day 3, and the same scenario is coming down.
The only reason that oats could be killed was to add further speculation about dirkzor making a desperation move, pretty simple play to make if you think about it coming from you it lets you sit back for an entire day again and not have to do anything but vote for dirkzor. This means that you don't have to do even more extra scum hunting compared to if you left oats alive. Oats was looking for scum, even through the trolling, he was pretty much the only one looking. Now, you can conveniently eliminate another day and as you've painted risen as your next target I presume he will be your choice for the day after. Everytime someone so much as mentions the word marv and scum in a sentence you flip out about how you are "the most town, and have progressed us through most of the game".
Now, I'm not saying you are scum, I'm not saying you aren't. Of course I will filter dive you and see whether these feels are baseless or not. This is just a theory after all.
Thank you. And btw Marv didn't progress anything. Bh did the rayn thing. I did sloosh (wrongly) - which you sheeped. At day 1 lynch marv didn't push anyone towards lynch time and he never committed much to anything.
I was around then and he did not question me further about it, he just continued pushing you and used it as fuel for his case. Now I'm not one to play up traps but it's not really effective if you don't say AHA you just got played until your case fails is it?
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On October 10 2013 00:26 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 00:24 Holyflare wrote: I just spent like an hour reading and re-reading the last few pages and then making a case on dirkzor only to re-read rayn a bit. He makes risen look suspicious as hell. Ends up voting sloosh and says no to risen? Calls risen town all game, etc etc.
This game confuses the shit out of me but I'll post the abridged version on dirk for now and then look up risen a bit more:
Hey Holy. The thing is, rayn made slOosh look suspicious as hell. Has slOosh as 2nd scumread, refuses to vote him etc. And slOosh was town. So.... ick.
He voted sloosh. Didn't want to counter wagon onto risen who was his only other option and would have prevented impending no-lynch at the time.
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However, I think it's pretty minor, just the way he talks about risen is "he's so sure town". I honestly don't think risen would make a massive case on rayn like that though, there was no actual need to bus day 1....
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On October 10 2013 00:32 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 00:31 Holyflare wrote:On October 10 2013 00:26 marvellosity wrote:On October 10 2013 00:24 Holyflare wrote: I just spent like an hour reading and re-reading the last few pages and then making a case on dirkzor only to re-read rayn a bit. He makes risen look suspicious as hell. Ends up voting sloosh and says no to risen? Calls risen town all game, etc etc.
This game confuses the shit out of me but I'll post the abridged version on dirk for now and then look up risen a bit more:
Hey Holy. The thing is, rayn made slOosh look suspicious as hell. Has slOosh as 2nd scumread, refuses to vote him etc. And slOosh was town. So.... ick. He voted sloosh. Didn't want to counter wagon onto risen who was his only other option and would have prevented impending no-lynch at the time. Hmm, I was referring to earlier in the day. His vote at the end was pointless wasn't it?
Let me check.
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On October 10 2013 00:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 00:32 Holyflare wrote: However, I think it's pretty minor, just the way he talks about risen is "he's so sure town". I honestly don't think risen would make a massive case on rayn like that though, there was no actual need to bus day 1.... It's perfectly possible Risen is not mafia, but this argument is so awful, and Clarity's made it too. If I think I can make cases on my mafiabuddy at any point in the game and they won't get lynched, I'm fucking doing it. Every. Single. Time.
Yeh but there was no NEED for risen to switch to rayn at the time.
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Yeh, of course you can do that. It was the interactions that risen had after he made the case that made it seem more genuine. That, coupled with his confirmation biased aggressiveness just added to my town read of him most of the game as most of his games I've seen he has been pretty similar.
I mean, sure, it would make sense to make a case on like dirkzor or something and get everybody to train back onto him but to make a case on rayn who was on the forefront of everyones minds for a lynch just didn't make sense. Especially when he could have just voted sloosh and been done with it.
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On October 10 2013 00:34 Dirkzor wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 00:30 Holyflare wrote:Oh also, by the way. If it was dirkzor's intention "to lay a trap" On October 09 2013 01:32 Dirkzor wrote:On October 09 2013 01:08 Holyflare wrote: You may have the traits of a towny but there is always that lingering suspicious nature about you. You were SO SURE about sloosh that when people (oats, risen, dirk etc.) were doing extra scum hunting that you thought it was funny and wouldn't participate. You effectively did not participate in an entire day because you "thought the game was solved". Here we are day 3, and the same scenario is coming down.
The only reason that oats could be killed was to add further speculation about dirkzor making a desperation move, pretty simple play to make if you think about it coming from you it lets you sit back for an entire day again and not have to do anything but vote for dirkzor. This means that you don't have to do even more extra scum hunting compared to if you left oats alive. Oats was looking for scum, even through the trolling, he was pretty much the only one looking. Now, you can conveniently eliminate another day and as you've painted risen as your next target I presume he will be your choice for the day after. Everytime someone so much as mentions the word marv and scum in a sentence you flip out about how you are "the most town, and have progressed us through most of the game".
Now, I'm not saying you are scum, I'm not saying you aren't. Of course I will filter dive you and see whether these feels are baseless or not. This is just a theory after all.
Thank you. And btw Marv didn't progress anything. Bh did the rayn thing. I did sloosh (wrongly) - which you sheeped. At day 1 lynch marv didn't push anyone towards lynch time and he never committed much to anything. I was around then and he did not question me further about it, he just continued pushing you and used it as fuel for his case. Now I'm not one to play up traps but it's not really effective if you don't say AHA you just got played until your case fails is it? I did spot it. Why do you think I emphasized it? But your whole post was so vague that it didn't really give me much... (the bolded part) You are right I should have stuck to my guns and waited it out. But neither you or Risen was here and I won't be around at lynch time due to me sleeping. So the clock was ticking..
You are pointing out a post that marv asked me to post by the way, it has no relation to your post.
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I meant back ~_~
There is no possible way that you could argue that how rayn was playing was not scummy. To me he was clearly the second most reasonable lynch in the game. Posts nothing but crap at the start, jumps onto someone he didn't find that scummy and then afk's on a dirkzor vote till like 20 mins at the end where he then votes sloosh over risen.
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It was to me, hence why I said "the only other person I'm comfortable lynching is rayn"
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So you're saying nobody agreed with a rayn lynch at all ever. That's why he's dead right? No. The only reason BH's voting went through was because of Risen's case and people thinking HE WAS SCUM IN THE BACK OF THEIR MINDS. You are being dumb.
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If the case gained no traction people wouldn't vote rayn at all.
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Convinced me. If he didn't make the case I wouldn't have necessarily switched. It had reasonable points in it. Points which you refused to read too until I told you to.
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Clarity would not have switched if he didn't have a lingering suspicion that rayn was also mafia. No lynch > town dead. Unless of course he is scum.
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On October 10 2013 00:56 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 00:54 Holyflare wrote: If the case gained no traction people wouldn't vote rayn at all. lol people don't vote for people with last minute shenannies because they remembered a case made 24 hours ago or whatever. Shenannies are a law unto themselves.
Shenanies happen exactly for the reason you said they don't. People have that suspicion from seeds planted earlier.
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