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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 24 2013 02:11 GMT
#22
/in
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 25 2013 04:10 GMT
#46
As a heads up I'm going to be going for a bit of a stylistic/tonal shift this game, and I'm also gonna only be available for the 3 minutes from 14:38 to 14:41 each day, so if I act scummy I'm just gonna point at this post and be like "I mentioned it before game start" ok? ok

Seriously though I'm gonna be less mean this game, that is my plan.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 25 2013 06:45 GMT
#55
On September 25 2013 14:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2013 14:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
/in

I want to see what a non-mean BH looks like. I bet its not as funny.

Truth.
BH aside from Aperture what was the last game you were mean in?


I'm never objectively mean, but I'm going to be like relative to my normal play less overtly aggressive. Not more passive though
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 25 2013 18:54 GMT
#59
It's nice, but the ability doesn't affect anyone besides the person who uses it. TL;DR: Sentinel wants most people to play with themselves
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 26 2013 20:57 GMT
#167
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 26 2013 21:10 GMT
#200
I'm not scum I am a VT
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 26 2013 21:14 GMT
#205
so are we random lynching?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 26 2013 21:36 GMT
#222
palmar is town
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Blazinghand *
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United States25550 Posts
September 26 2013 21:57 GMT
#239
Am I cool because you think i'm town or because you think I am generally objectively cool
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 26 2013 22:17 GMT
#253
i duno man koshi is a mystery
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 26 2013 22:27 GMT
#258
I see the argument for a random lynch. Not all scum will argue against it if it happens to land on scum, since they won't know it's on scum (half of them). Also, given the skewed town/scum ratio this game (6 scum in a game of 19 players) we're more likely than normal to hit scum. I'd be in favor of this. How should we implement it?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 26 2013 22:40 GMT
#264
haters gonna hate
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 26 2013 22:40 GMT
#265
for all you know yamato is afraid of the mighty random lynch. opposing it does not make him town
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 26 2013 22:42 GMT
#269
Jesus man, chill out. We're like a couple hours in, and floating the random lynch idea is imo not a bad strat. If there's ever a game where random lynch is a good idea, it would be this game, don't you admit? High numbers of uncoordinated scum! Plus, my observation that you don't deserve a townread for opposing what is potentially a very threatening idea for scum is accurate.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 26 2013 22:43 GMT
#271
Man yamato is like trying to shut down discussion with his flaming and stuff. Not even trying to help people, just trying to shut them up. Let's get rid of him. ##vote yamato77
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 26 2013 22:45 GMT
#275
man grack isn't a bad lynch either just based on trolling. what is it with people these days, they got no respect. Back in my day we had to walk uphill both ways to the keyboard, through the snow under the blistering sun, so we put some RESPECT into our posts. RESPECT.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 26 2013 22:46 GMT
#277
On September 27 2013 07:45 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Man yamato is like trying to shut down discussion with his flaming and stuff. Not even trying to help people, just trying to shut them up. Let's get rid of him. ##vote yamato77

seriously?


Your response to anyone posting anything seems to be to swear at them and tell them to shut up. There's like no chance that's even remotely town-motivated. At this point it's just a matter of figuring out if you personally are having like a rock up your butt today, or if you're scum acting like it in an attempt to shit up the thread and hurt town activities. Seems like the latter to me.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 26 2013 22:46 GMT
#278
On September 27 2013 07:45 yamato77 wrote:
BH is claiming mafia in front of my eyes.


and yet i don't see a vote on me???
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 26 2013 22:48 GMT
#279
On September 27 2013 07:46 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 07:45 yamato77 wrote:
BH is claiming mafia in front of my eyes.


and yet i don't see a vote on me???


see yamato doesn't actually think i'm claiming scum. he's too afraid to go up against a strong town player since he is scum and knows he will lose.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 26 2013 22:49 GMT
#282
don't mind yamato's sudden absence, he needs advice from his scum QT
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 26 2013 22:53 GMT
#287
On September 27 2013 07:52 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 07:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
Null. If I didn't know you to be a complete jerk most of the time regardless of alignment, I'd find it suspicious too.

that's a singular reason among the glut of BH calling me mafia for everything I'm doing (and not doing).

And btw it's actually a town tell.


Oh, is shitting on everyone who tries to write anything helpful a normal thing for you? :/

Shirley you can't be serious
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 26 2013 22:54 GMT
#288
Ok so if this is normal yamato behavior i change my reason from "he's shitting up the thread and this is scummy" to "he's shitting up the thread and this is normal yamato behavior so let's policy him"
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 26 2013 22:56 GMT
#290
On September 27 2013 07:55 yamato77 wrote:
You're the one shitting up the thread here.


Maybe I am, but at least I'm not shitting on other players, and am introducing new ideas and trying to foster learning, growth, and harmony. The only growth you are fostering is CANCER (oh, burn!) and so you must be cut out. I am the gamma knife of justice.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 26 2013 22:59 GMT
#293
I will admit that entire last post of mine was just an excuse to write gamma knife of justice.

I'll be back in a bit
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 26 2013 23:10 GMT
#303
On September 27 2013 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 08:08 yamato77 wrote:
On September 27 2013 08:03 Grackaroni wrote:
I think the people that are vehemently against random lynches aren't against them because they think I am trying to avoid analysis. They are likely afraid of the random lynch. It is so much easier for mafia to pressure a less experienced player and push the lynch off their team and on to that player.

I like how you're putting words in my mouth and assuming town never lynches scum D1. It's because of players like you that townies get lynched.

Anyway, I'm actually off.

Are you not doing the bolded with the italicized?

SMACKDOWN

best post 2013
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 27 2013 06:39 GMT
#430
Just read this post.

On September 27 2013 13:25 WaveofShadow wrote:
Third random Q: BH I want to talk with you. Where you at? Were you being serious regarding the RNG earlier?


I am here. I am serious re: RNG. Consider mine a vote for RNG if we can pull it off, and if I feel like letting yamato off the hook

Still don't like yamato's play interactions when I was in-thread and tbh even if he's gonna flip town it would be acceptable for me to lynch him just because this kind of play isn't acceptable. It's part "i think he's working to push a scum agenda" and part "even if he's not, we should always lynch this kind of play"
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 27 2013 06:42 GMT
#433
That ShiaoPi vote is kinda a shit vote.

But yeah I'm thinking WoS's idea re: RNG is fine, but his presentation seems pretty emo. Cheer up emo kid! No need to be a debbie downer. If you want to frame the RNG debate in a way that it actually gains traction, don't say "town can't lynch scum D1 anyways" because people don't like to admit that about themselves. Instead, say "this is the best time we'll basically ever have for busting out some mad RNG skillzorz"

also FT your objection that RNG can't truly be random is missing the real point of RNG
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 27 2013 06:45 GMT
#436
Like, the reason the vote on shiaopi is a shit vote is because of how you're framing it. "ShiaoPi is playing below full potential" when the dude was only in thread for an hour and dropped some one-liners is bad reasoning. Like, instead say "ShiaoPi is lurking" because the reason you're voting for him doesn't have shit to do with his potential, or one-liners, or whatever. You're voting him because he was only in-thread for an hour, and barely posted. You're voting him for lurking.

If you're gonna policy a guy for lurking, man up and admit it. Don't try to look like you have some serious analysis going on, FT-- you don't.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 27 2013 06:45 GMT
#437
Yeah the drive-by vote from FT would definitely cause me to vote him if my reasons for voting yamato77 weren't so compelling already. I consider him my 2nd-best scumread at this moment.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 27 2013 06:48 GMT
#439
On September 27 2013 15:46 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 15:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
On September 27 2013 15:38 FirmTofu wrote:
On September 27 2013 15:36 Grackaroni wrote:
On September 27 2013 15:18 FirmTofu wrote:
Ok, my first impressions are that Yamato, WoS, and VE look super town. Grack is probably scum. His posting is terrible.

I've never played a legit game with BH or Palmar, so I can't read them yet.

Thanks for the detailed explanations. Care to explain?

We've already discussed you quite enough. There are at least 5 other scummers out there. I'm interested in discussing as many people as possible. I'll discuss you if you end up being the #1 or #2 candidate later in the day.

So how about you explain your vote? Clearly you aren't adding to the discussion by just voting and leaving...you've given more reasoning for thinking Grack is scum and you're not even voting him!

You didn't see the one liners? he basically claaaaimed scum.



that's not a good argument at all.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 27 2013 06:49 GMT
#440
Hm I dunno rereading some of FT's other posts (it's a very quick job) I'm wondering if he's a better lynch than Yamato. I get the feeling he's more likely to flip scum. Like, I really WANT to lynch Yamato. It would make me smile in my heart to do so. But I can't not vote FT after that shit man. I really can't not vote him.

Damn you, FT!

Damn you!

##unvote Yamato77
##vote FirmTofu
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 27 2013 06:54 GMT
#442
Ok so to be clear here, there's no reason FT should just be allowed to do a drive-by vote with so little reasoning.

shit like this
On September 27 2013 15:38 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 15:36 Grackaroni wrote:
On September 27 2013 15:18 FirmTofu wrote:
Ok, my first impressions are that Yamato, WoS, and VE look super town. Grack is probably scum. His posting is terrible.

I've never played a legit game with BH or Palmar, so I can't read them yet.

Thanks for the detailed explanations. Care to explain?

We've already discussed you quite enough. There are at least 5 other scummers out there. I'm interested in discussing as many people as possible. I'll discuss you if you end up being the #1 or #2 candidate later in the day.


when of course FT has done no discussion whatsoever, contributed no ideas whatsoever, posted no thought process whatsoever...

look it's one thing to take stances, peopel think that makes you town. But it REALLY DOESN'T. It's posting a thought process that does. Think about Oatsmaster from GS Mini. Why was rayne shit-mad at him? Because despite Oatsmaster having strong convictions, his thought process was opaque. It's easy for scum to drop votes, to say "X is scum" or "Y is town" because, well, it's just easy to write. Oats was town that game, but the basic idea (thought process should be shared) holds true.

It's something that scum can't really do as well as town can, no matter how wiley. Even I, the squm-master, have trouble with this.

Writing / faking a thought process in a coherent way is difficult. FT has not conveyed his thought process. He's just claimed credit for other people pushing grack. this is the kind of thing that scum can do very easily. Now, whether grack is scum or town isn't relevant here. Maybe grack is scum! But FT did a drive-by vote. He appropriated other people's thought process for his own. He could backtrack and we'd never know that he was making a logical contradiction.

In other words, he's in the perfect position for scum to move his vote as he pleases.

Vote FT!
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 27 2013 06:55 GMT
#444
It's not a scumclaim, it's a scumtell. But it's a good one, and better imo than yamato shitting up the thread.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 27 2013 06:58 GMT
#445
Though I will admit on a visceral level, I certainly eye yamato's actions with derision and WANT to lynch him.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 27 2013 07:02 GMT
#447
The issue isn't that he's wrong or ShiaoPi has like done anything worthy of not being policy lynched. The issue is the lack of a statement of thought process!
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 27 2013 07:04 GMT
#448
brb dinner
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 27 2013 17:38 GMT
#678
you guys who are trying to figure out how to rng a random lynch are really bad. Here', I'll RNG it RIGHT NOW.

The random lynch will be on player whose number is the post number that this post is (not in the thread, but the post # for TL). You can find the post number by mouse-overing the "#" in the upper right corner of this post.

Take that number in Mod 19.

1 = koshi, 2 = VE, etc, down the player list, until you get to 0 = grackaroni.

There, we've got a random lynch. WE'RE USING THE NUMBER FOR THIS POST. THIS POST THATI S BEING MADE. THE OVERALL TL #, NOT THE # IT IS IN THREAD.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 27 2013 17:39 GMT
#680
19854944 mod 19 = 1. RANDOM LYNCH IS ON KOSHI.

now you guys can stop complaining about there being no RNG.

seriously though vote FT.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 27 2013 17:41 GMT
#682
On September 28 2013 02:40 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 02:39 Blazinghand wrote:
19854944 mod 19 = 1. RANDOM LYNCH IS ON KOSHI.

now you guys can stop complaining about there being no RNG.

seriously though vote FT.

I am in full support of this random lynch.


then vote.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 27 2013 17:42 GMT
#684
You guys wanna see "real"? This rando lynch just got seriously real. Everyone who took stances about it now has to re-evaluate (or pretend to re-evaluate) that shit, cause the RNG just produced a person for us: Koshi. Yeah. What now?

I gave up on RNG. But anyone who's serious about it now, you better freaking vote Koshi, or shut up about it.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 27 2013 17:48 GMT
#691
On September 28 2013 02:44 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 02:42 Blazinghand wrote:
You guys wanna see "real"? This rando lynch just got seriously real. Everyone who took stances about it now has to re-evaluate (or pretend to re-evaluate) that shit, cause the RNG just produced a person for us: Koshi. Yeah. What now?

I gave up on RNG. But anyone who's serious about it now, you better freaking vote Koshi, or shut up about it.

I dont believe it was random


you think I was paying attention to every post that was happening on TL and somehow managed to time my post so it would be a multiple of 19 + 1 exactly so it would land on Koshi?
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 27 2013 17:53 GMT
#696
On September 28 2013 02:50 Koshi wrote:
Yeah that's not going to be the case Oats...
But is it true? How do you see the number?


right click the # in the upper right of the post, and click "copy link location". The way TL works, these links go to an absolute post #, which then redirects to a thread number with a relative post number within that thread.

I used the absolute TL post number, which goes up too fast to be tracked by someone like me.

It's RNGed.

If you favor an RNG lynch, you favor a koshi lynch. done.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 27 2013 17:57 GMT
#701
On September 28 2013 02:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 02:54 ShiaoPi wrote:
how about I favor a koshi/yamato lynch but do not favor a rng lynch?
still voting koshi though

##vote: koshi

Why is Koshi scum, Shiao

And grack, do some reading. I said I support RNG lynch, and therefore despite me having a townread on Koshi, if people were willing to do so I would vote Koshi simply because RNG said so.


I guess you don't really support an RNG lynch if you're not voting Koshi right
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Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
September 27 2013 18:02 GMT
#711
On September 28 2013 03:01 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 15:42 Blazinghand wrote:
FT your objection that RNG can't truly be random is missing the real point of RNG

Explain this to me BH. If RNG isn't practically applicable in this game, what use is it to discuss it? You want to spend time discussing what we would do if we were able to truly randomly decide a lynch? What purpose does that serve?


all of my "wat"
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United States25550 Posts
September 27 2013 18:05 GMT
#715
Man I'm just slapping down some law here. Either people support RNG and vote Koshi and tell others to hop on board, touting the merits of RNG (since if you support RNG you should be able to put together arguments that at least attempt to convince others that it's good) or we stop pretending that RNG is a viable solution. RNG is no longer abstract. It's real. RNG is Koshi.
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United States25550 Posts
September 27 2013 18:06 GMT
#721
On September 28 2013 03:04 Koshi wrote:
So is this shitty thing really random?

http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~dsri/modular-inversion-answer.php?n=19854962&p=19

Why no answer here? And I have been giving in numbers and it doesn't seem all equal. But I guess it is?


you don't know what mod is do you

mod is like "do the division,then what's the remainder?

so if it were post #23, 23 mod 19 = 4, we lynch SnB. If it were post #40, 40 mod 19 = 2, we lynch VE. Get it?
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September 27 2013 18:07 GMT
#723
On September 28 2013 03:06 Koshi wrote:
Well I agree I am total rng.

But really. Do I have to make a list and tell you that this shitty thing isn't random.


Um, taking the randomly generated post number mod 19 is completely random.
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#728
On September 28 2013 03:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 15:45 Blazinghand wrote:
Like, the reason the vote on shiaopi is a shit vote is because of how you're framing it. "ShiaoPi is playing below full potential" when the dude was only in thread for an hour and dropped some one-liners is bad reasoning. Like, instead say "ShiaoPi is lurking" because the reason you're voting for him doesn't have shit to do with his potential, or one-liners, or whatever. You're voting him because he was only in-thread for an hour, and barely posted. You're voting him for lurking.

If you're gonna policy a guy for lurking, man up and admit it. Don't try to look like you have some serious analysis going on, FT-- you don't.

Of course it is a shit vote. I wanted ShiaoPi to contribute. It has served its purpose from what I can tell of ShiaoPi's filter. It provided the impetus for a contributing ShiaoPi. That, in itself, is reason enough to justify my actions.

I knew my "reasoning" was weak at best. Consider my motivations of my action; consider the result I am trying to get.


the result? Dude, Shiaopi was in thread for like literally an hour. I bet you could have just waited 12 more hours and he'd still have posted more, just because more time has elapsed. what, were you waiting for a post like (this) or (this) to show that he's not posting short posts? Come on, man.
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#729
On September 28 2013 03:07 FirmTofu wrote:
Can someone explain to me how we can randomly choose a lynch target? Please, enlighten me.


read the thread
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#736
On September 28 2013 03:12 Koshi wrote:
Ok let me try this rng thing with THIS post.


19855202 mod 19 is 12.

that being said, no rerolls! sorry.
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#742
On September 28 2013 03:16 Koshi wrote:
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On September 28 2013 03:13 Blazinghand wrote:
On September 28 2013 03:12 Koshi wrote:
Ok let me try this rng thing with THIS post.


19855202 mod 19 is 12.

that being said, no rerolls! sorry.

Mine says 8.

Anyway rng lynch is now proven to be antitown. So plz stfu about it = thx!


no, yours doesn't say eight. you're really really bad at math. https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=19855202 mod 19
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#745
And if you think I'm trying to push an RNG lynch you really don't understand what I've been saying about it these past pages at all. The point is, people who like an RNG lynch might just be trying not to contribute or whatever. So we ACTUALLY RNG a person, and now it's not "RNG lynch", it's "RNG Koshi lynch" and people have to actually take stances.
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#748
On September 28 2013 03:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On September 28 2013 03:13 VayneAuthority wrote:
On September 28 2013 03:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh I see Vayne I guess you missed this post.
On September 28 2013 01:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah Vayne cares about his scumgame way more than his towngame.
I feel really good about VA lynch today.
At worst, policy 'cuz I don't like his play in most games, and at best, scum.
Win-win.

GOGO VOTE VA



How is that anything except a policy lynch? Doesn't make me scum in the slightest.

What about my post just before that one? I explained it a little better.
I don't normally like voting people simply based on meta Vayne, but in your case I'll make an exception.

BH enough with the RNG, if you've dropped support for it can you help out find scum somehow? Or is your goal to shit up the thread? 'Cause I know what kind of BH likes to do that.


If you're trying to make me stop talking by threatening me, you can only expect me to talk more. I DO NOT BOW TO THE DEMaNDS OF TERRORISTS NATIONS

The point of the RNG discussion is: I fairly RNGed Koshi. from now on, anyone who claims to really support RNG needs to start convincing people to vote Koshi, or they need to stop supporting RNG and scumhunt (ie, vote FT). that's it.
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#750
On September 28 2013 03:19 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 03:17 Blazinghand wrote:
On September 28 2013 03:16 Koshi wrote:
On September 28 2013 03:13 Blazinghand wrote:
On September 28 2013 03:12 Koshi wrote:
Ok let me try this rng thing with THIS post.


19855202 mod 19 is 12.

that being said, no rerolls! sorry.

Mine says 8.

Anyway rng lynch is now proven to be antitown. So plz stfu about it = thx!


no, yours doesn't say eight. you're really really bad at math. https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=19855202 mod 19

http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~dsri/modular-inversion-answer.php?n=19855202&p=19
Mine says eight I tell you. And it is from Princeton.
Also. I am pretty good at math.


clearly not, since you're using a modular inversion instead of modulo...
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#755
In any case, the point I'm trying to make here (if people would just accept that Koshi was RNGed) is that we're done talking about some "abstract RNG lynch". We're talking about lynching Koshi. People want to use RNG to opt out of the town discourse, but that is no longer possible because we've actually RNGed someone, you see?
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#757
On September 28 2013 03:24 Koshi wrote:
The good thing is that after this game people won't RNG anymore when I am in the game cuz I got proof. And I am in all the games.


>implying people ever actually RNG lynch
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#760
On September 28 2013 03:25 Koshi wrote:
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On September 28 2013 03:24 Blazinghand wrote:
On September 28 2013 03:24 Koshi wrote:
The good thing is that after this game people won't RNG anymore when I am in the game cuz I got proof. And I am in all the games.


>implying people ever actually RNG lynch

You are currently.


all of my "wat"
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Ok there seems to be some confusion here so I'm going to spell it out plain an dclear

I am not in favor of the RNG lynch on koshi. I think we should lynch FT.

I did, however, roll the dice for the RNG in a fair and clear way. The post number Mod 19 method is foolproof and random. Koshi was randomly selected.

I did this so that people would have to take stances wrt RNG. Now it's not "an RNG lynch" we're talking about, it's "the koshi rng lynch" so people actually gotta man up and take stances. This generates information. People have to have reasons. As someone who has a mild suspicion scum might try to hide behind the _concept_ of an RNG lynch, by making it real I know i can flush it out.
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#764
On September 28 2013 03:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On September 28 2013 03:23 Blazinghand wrote:
In any case, the point I'm trying to make here (if people would just accept that Koshi was RNGed) is that we're done talking about some "abstract RNG lynch". We're talking about lynching Koshi. People want to use RNG to opt out of the town discourse, but that is no longer possible because we've actually RNGed someone, you see?

Again, as one of the primary proponents of RNG today, when did I ever attempt to opt out of town discourse?
Did anyone actually do this? If so, where?


As the other primary proponent, I never attempted to opt out either. but the fact that the concept exists WITHOUT HAVING RNGED SOMEONE is bad. In fact, multiple people (not sure if you) said "yeah, I like RNG lynch but looks like we can't RNG anyone so I guess my support for it is meaningless"

WELL YOU GUYS JUST GOT PUNKED.
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#765
jeez, suggest an RNG lynch, and nobody cares, actually roll the dice for one and everyone loses his head
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#767
/facepalm
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#823
um yeah i was in favor of rng lynch not any more, i found ppl i wanted to lynch

like honestly I could have rnged at any time but first yamato then FT seemed like a better idea to me than rnging a lynch. I figured I'd defuse the whole "rng" situation by actually rolling the dice so that people would get on my FT wagon. just like how a policy lynch seems like a good idea until you have a scumread, so too the rng lynch seems.

also yeah FT is obviously trying to appease me, very funny FT
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#830
On September 28 2013 04:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On September 28 2013 04:31 Blazinghand wrote:
um yeah i was in favor of rng lynch not any more, i found ppl i wanted to lynch

like honestly I could have rnged at any time but first yamato then FT seemed like a better idea to me than rnging a lynch. I figured I'd defuse the whole "rng" situation by actually rolling the dice so that people would get on my FT wagon. just like how a policy lynch seems like a good idea until you have a scumread, so too the rng lynch seems.

also yeah FT is obviously trying to appease me, very funny FT

Explain your FT suspicion to me as if you thought I was an idiot, which shouldn't be hard given that you expect me to believe this bullshit.


So basically, I view a good way of distinguishing town from scum as "town can do some things more easily than scum can". Obviously, you would probably expect town to be promoting a good town environment, pushing reads, and taking strong stances. However, scum can also do these things. A skilled scum player (say, myself) could easily push reads and take strong stances. So how do we tell a scum player from a town player? Well, a big part of this is the player's mindset.

It's one thing to make a push. But it's another thing to make a well-reasoned push. Scum can easily fake "X is scum", but not as easily fake "X is scum and here's my thought process as to why it happened!" because faking a mindset and chain of logic is inherently more difficult. When town players (most of the time) have a scumread, in their mind there is a REASON for it. This reason naturally comes through because they explain it to other townies in an attempt to get their target lynched.

This explanation and reasoning is called a "push" or "case" most of the time.

FT, in dropping his vote on Shiaopi (and dropping some mad suspicion on grack), did not show his mindset, his reasoning, his case. Someone astutely noted that given what FT has said, grack would be the natural vote! FT was very suspicious of grack and actually gave reasons (albeit shitty reasons) why grack might be scum. However, instead, with almost no explanation, FT voted ShiaoPi. When questioned on it later, he said,

On September 28 2013 03:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 15:45 Blazinghand wrote:
Like, the reason the vote on shiaopi is a shit vote is because of how you're framing it. "ShiaoPi is playing below full potential" when the dude was only in thread for an hour and dropped some one-liners is bad reasoning. Like, instead say "ShiaoPi is lurking" because the reason you're voting for him doesn't have shit to do with his potential, or one-liners, or whatever. You're voting him because he was only in-thread for an hour, and barely posted. You're voting him for lurking.

If you're gonna policy a guy for lurking, man up and admit it. Don't try to look like you have some serious analysis going on, FT-- you don't.

Of course it is a shit vote. I wanted ShiaoPi to contribute. It has served its purpose from what I can tell of ShiaoPi's filter. It provided the impetus for a contributing ShiaoPi. That, in itself, is reason enough to justify my actions.

I knew my "reasoning" was weak at best. Consider my motivations of my action; consider the result I am trying to get.



and earlier when questioned about his grack suspicion and asked for reasoning, he said,

On September 27 2013 15:41 FirmTofu wrote:
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On September 27 2013 15:39 Grackaroni wrote:
On September 27 2013 15:38 FirmTofu wrote:
On September 27 2013 15:36 Grackaroni wrote:
On September 27 2013 15:18 FirmTofu wrote:
Ok, my first impressions are that Yamato, WoS, and VE look super town. Grack is probably scum. His posting is terrible.

I've never played a legit game with BH or Palmar, so I can't read them yet.

Thanks for the detailed explanations. Care to explain?

We've already discussed you quite enough. There are at least 5 other scummers out there. I'm interested in discussing as many people as possible. I'll discuss you if you end up being the #1 or #2 candidate later in the day.

Well I can't just sit here and let you call me scum without giving any reasoning.

You can, and you will.

I'm going to actually go to bed now. ^_^



and he never followed up.

His only follow-up on return (besides backtracking his shiaopi vote, a VERY EASY thing for him to do since he provided no reasoning) was...

On September 28 2013 03:30 FirmTofu wrote:
##vote: Koshi
I'm keeping my word here. BH's solution to the RNG problem is quite inventive. I will double check if it was truly random, but if it was I'm sticking with Koshi.

30% are pretty good odds.

BH, why aren't you voting Koshi?

On September 28 2013 03:38 FirmTofu wrote:
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On September 28 2013 03:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
And where is Rayn?

Absent and defending me. Everytime that's happened, he's been scum.


and of course calling me town. Where's his grack suspicion? Did he drop it for the RNG vote? Admittedly, he stated support for the RNG vote earlier, so the fact that he cast his vote for the RNG isn't terrible.

But he scolds town to continue scumhunting, and does not do it himself.

Where's the pressure on Rayne and Grack, his two supposed scumreads? Where's the attempt to hunt scum? Where's the accountability?

There is none. FT is scum.
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Hmmm okay so if there are meta issues there are meta issues. I guess I'll take a look at his previous games and see if he does this as town ._.
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#838
On September 28 2013 04:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On September 28 2013 04:51 Blazinghand wrote:
Hmmm okay so if there are meta issues there are meta issues. I guess I'll take a look at his previous games and see if he does this as town ._.

I'd rather you just say that you'll vote Yamato with me if Koshi doesn't get the support it so rightly deserves.

I'm down for a yamato lynch.
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#841
On September 28 2013 05:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On September 28 2013 04:58 Blazinghand wrote:
On September 28 2013 04:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
On September 28 2013 04:51 Blazinghand wrote:
Hmmm okay so if there are meta issues there are meta issues. I guess I'll take a look at his previous games and see if he does this as town ._.

I'd rather you just say that you'll vote Yamato with me if Koshi doesn't get the support it so rightly deserves.

I'm down for a yamato lynch.

Then I don't care if you lied about RNG. ^^

._. no lies happened noob
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#844
On September 28 2013 05:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On September 28 2013 05:02 Blazinghand wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
On September 28 2013 04:58 Blazinghand wrote:
On September 28 2013 04:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
On September 28 2013 04:51 Blazinghand wrote:
Hmmm okay so if there are meta issues there are meta issues. I guess I'll take a look at his previous games and see if he does this as town ._.

I'd rather you just say that you'll vote Yamato with me if Koshi doesn't get the support it so rightly deserves.

I'm down for a yamato lynch.

Then I don't care if you lied about RNG. ^^

._. no lies happened noob

You lied about supporting RNG. Don't deny it it's explicit in your posts. I don't care, I'm just saying you're a liar. Embrace it.

I didn't lie about shit and you're a dirty liar for calling me a liar.
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#845
Like I changed my mind man. It happens.
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#856
So reading koshi's filter is a pain. He's still doing lots of one-liners, as he did before. Less interactions/asking/questions/taking stands, which seems bad. FT and yamato both higher prio imo
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#859
I'm not lying about his filter being a pain. And reading golden sun for a comparison filter? ack.

btw if we end up rando lynching Koshi i take all credit as king of the rando lynch
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#875
your statements and of questions are of no relevance to me yamato
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#882
On September 28 2013 06:12 yamato77 wrote:
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On September 28 2013 06:10 Blazinghand wrote:
your statements and of questions are of no relevance to me yamato

You policy voted me. Since when is that a good way to find mafia?

Right now I think you're full of shit.


vote me or can it.
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#886
On September 28 2013 06:18 yamato77 wrote:
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On September 28 2013 06:18 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like BH isn't interested at all in trying to figure out peoples' alignments. He's not trying to clarify peoples' stances or get information from people. All he's interested in is attempting to appear contributory.

Precisely.

i don't see a vote
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#891
like imo this weird posturing from yamato just makes him look scummier. I think he's trying to feel for some kind of wagon on me, or maybe discredit me? Like, if he really thinks I'm scum, why wouldn't he just vote me? yamato is very aggressive and a town yamato wouldn't hesitate.
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#892
On September 28 2013 06:22 yamato77 wrote:
We all know me voting for BH right now doesn't do much.

He won't do anything different, and I won't have my vote to slap someone else with that might.

If I feel like he needs to die, it will happen.


Oh, sure, that's a great reason. NOT
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#895
On September 28 2013 06:23 yamato77 wrote:
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On September 28 2013 06:22 Blazinghand wrote:
like imo this weird posturing from yamato just makes him look scummier. I think he's trying to feel for some kind of wagon on me, or maybe discredit me? Like, if he really thinks I'm scum, why wouldn't he just vote me? yamato is very aggressive and a town yamato wouldn't hesitate.

You are quite retarded as town.

so are you saying i'm town or what
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#908
hm ok i'm down for yamato over FT even
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#954
Koshi I don't understand what you're mad at me for. I'm not even voting you. I just upgraded the RNG debate. Are you mad that I HAPPENED to roll you?
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#1007
man if koshi flips scum you guys are gonna think i'm scum for not rng lynch him what bullshit is this. i bet if he flips town you'll think i'm scum too for other shit reasons. typical. just typical
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#1008
it's fine though, i'm pretty pro, i won't get lynched
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#1009
Also are you guys really thinking I somehow non-randomly generated Koshi

how srs are we
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#1011
yamato FT + 4
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#1012
who the ducks has six scum reads anyways
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#1013
and if you're asking for associative tells you have faulty priors
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#1014
shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii ysalll
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#1017
man of all the arguments for lunch koahi

TTY hat one is truly goal

I believe with you mrcc your words are inspire. let's make history together. I am in for a penny a shilling and a point


manly history time

##unvote
##vote koshi


I love turned
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#1027
On September 28 2013 14:12 Pandain wrote:
I feel like we're sacrificing logic for glory



hmm yes Palomar speaks the truth

[b]##Unvote/[b]

I must meditate on this fontnight
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##unvote
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#1032
FoR NOWWWWWW
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#1033
(dun dun dunnnnnnnnm)
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#1035
man oats what should my read on you be. tell me now what you think my read will be afte ri read your filter ok and i will confirm later
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#1037
On September 28 2013 14:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On September 28 2013 14:31 Blazinghand wrote:
man oats what should my read on you be. tell me now what you think my read will be afte ri read your filter ok and i will confirm later

I think your read on me will be stupid and incompentent town that is really lucky.

YOU GOT THE FIRSTPART RIGHT
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hue hu ok i'll be back
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September 28 2013 17:30 GMT
#1174
Hello everyone. Wow, Koshi seems to be putting on quite a show of "being mad". The fact that you unvote him for this WoS is totally weak. Are you really worried about Koshi's eternal hatred? Is there anything about his vitriol that he's more likely to do as town than scum? He could easily do this as scum. Get your head on your neck.

I also see the non-RNG case for a Koshi lynch. In addition to his huge anger, he's also like contributing and interacting a bit less than he did in GS Mini. That being said, I think we really have a slam dunk with yamato or potentially FT. Whatever meta reasons you guys may give for them (yamato always shits up the thread, or FT always gets mislynched D1) from an objective standpoint these guys need to be lynched. This is basically true. FT is not a realistic lynch option today, so I would like to advise all who are not on board for a Koshi lynch (for whatever reason) to join me in voting Yamato.

##vote yamato77

That being said, I find the circumstances surrounding WoS's unvote of Koshi to be highly suspicious. I don't buy his reason at all. WoS, until your vote is back on Koshi I ##FoS WoS. Your lack of faith disturbs me.
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September 28 2013 17:31 GMT
#1176
Is your case on VA really that he's being useful? Man that's like so "out there" it's not even a scummy case, which could potentially be what a scum WoS would be going for!
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September 28 2013 17:36 GMT
#1182
On September 29 2013 02:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
BH, if you are town, read this.
You are not playing, you are coaching, in this very game. And that's bad.



you're bad
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September 28 2013 17:36 GMT
#1184
No resistance to the yamato lynch? HES NTO FUCKING GetTING LYNCHED

HES NOT GETTING LYNCHEd, WHAT DO YOU MEAN NO RESISTANCE.
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September 28 2013 17:37 GMT
#1187
"hey guys there's been no resistance to the WoS lynch"

"but WoS isn't getting lynched how can you even-"

"herp derp it's raising my hackles"


ughhhhhhhhhh why did i even wake up today
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September 28 2013 17:38 GMT
#1189
lol rayne you're just throwing your vote away. nobody's lynching me today. It's day 1 and i'm blazinghand and I fucking made the RNG discussion when there would be no reason to do that except as town. get off your high horse
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September 28 2013 17:38 GMT
#1191
okay I'll be back after the lynch, if rayne still has his vote on me he's opting out of the discourse. bbl
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September 28 2013 17:39 GMT
#1192
WoS put your damn vote on koshi
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September 28 2013 17:41 GMT
#1197
I try to be helpful even once

I announce it beforehand

and this is what I get

funk being nice. asshole time
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September 28 2013 17:48 GMT
#1214
ok rayne im done with you. time to bury you.

If I am scum I would shoot rayh 100 percent tonight. I always shoot loud players who oppose me.

I know I am town therefore there is at least one scum team that doesn't have rayne on it. I'm talking to you guys. please shoot rayne tonight. he's annoying me and im tired of reading his posts. it will make me look bad when he gets nked potentially netting you guys a mislynch. consider it!
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September 28 2013 17:49 GMT
#1217
Jesus ugh sobt Lynch Palomar he is town
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September 28 2013 17:51 GMT
#1224
Everybody but me in the newbies. Home is town.
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September 28 2013 17:58 GMT
#1231
wos makes ko KO NSE hen should be voting for Hus top read. backing off of koshu for shit read sons is shit

PS at dentist so expect four phosts
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September 28 2013 17:58 GMT
#1233
I wouldn't call you Ace either WoS
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September 28 2013 18:01 GMT
#1236
an yone want to swap to rayne? can that be a thing
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September 28 2013 18:04 GMT
#1241
On September 29 2013 03:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2013 03:01 Blazinghand wrote:
an yone want to swap to rayne? can that be a thing

Narp he town. Try again tho.

and I don't suppose you're down for a wos swap
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September 28 2013 18:07 GMT
#1244
loo oatst
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September 28 2013 18:08 GMT
#1246
I have its cause or bad. or reasoning should lead you to vote koshi so vote him or feel my wrwth
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September 28 2013 18:09 GMT
#1247
your
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September 28 2013 18:15 GMT
#1252
I'd vote you wos but my vote is needed on the yanato wagon
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September 28 2013 19:34 GMT
#1297
yayyyyyy
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September 28 2013 19:35 GMT
#1300
yes yes yes
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September 28 2013 19:56 GMT
#1316
On September 29 2013 04:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On September 29 2013 04:34 Blazinghand wrote:
yayyyyyy

If yamato flips town I get the feeling I should be looking at you first.


hue
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September 28 2013 20:00 GMT
#1319
I promise next D1, we RNG. i'll make it happen.
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September 28 2013 20:00 GMT
#1320
PS if koshi flips scum (not sure who is being lynched) i take all credit
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September 28 2013 20:00 GMT
#1321
if he flips town it's not my fault though
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September 28 2013 20:02 GMT
#1323
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September 28 2013 20:05 GMT
#1327
palmar said there's no anti-town townies, not there's no bad townies.
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September 28 2013 20:22 GMT
#1340
ok scum remember, shoot rayn for me. you known you want to!
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September 28 2013 20:23 GMT
#1345
man clearly i should have rallied the troops for a koshi lynch. it would have been LEGENDARY

also yamato you got waht you deserved! I'd lynch you again!
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September 28 2013 20:25 GMT
#1348
palmar is town
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September 28 2013 20:28 GMT
#1352
i am in fact the shaman of shenanigans
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September 28 2013 21:14 GMT
#1365
i usually still like to hang out and chat, but i delay big cases until the end of the night usually. there's no reason not to ask and respond to questions imo.
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September 28 2013 21:14 GMT
#1366
Sometimes I like to post a big case right at the start of the day to confuse scum into thinking i'm a cop who just got a check or something. I also do this so that when I actually *am* a cop it's not too weird for me to do so
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September 28 2013 23:40 GMT
#1389
Seriously though scum, shoot rayne. I bet he won't even use his vest tonight. It'll make me look bad because I want him dead! YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO. It'll be hilarious! Plus, you like me, right? Or maybe you hate me and want me to get lynched. Either way, shooting rayne is the right move tonight. I'm just saying: consider it.

btw scummy looking townies don't use your vest tonight in case the cops cocaine you.

"oh no bh is coaching here" stuff it it's important to say that
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September 28 2013 23:42 GMT
#1390
also like what is it with people and me coaching. like if it's scummy to do it, fine, but that's not gonna stop me from saying things that are literally correct and need to be said.

What's scummy isn't coaching, it's coaching instead of scumhunting. It's coaching in an attempt to look like contributing when you're not. Coaching is completely normal town behavior. It's coaching alone that isn't.

So yeah suck on that coach-sayers
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September 28 2013 23:42 GMT
#1391
and by coach-sayers, I mean Rayne, who will be shot by scum tonight because I'm asking them to (or I'm pretending to and covering for my own side's faction nk kekekekeke)
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September 28 2013 23:50 GMT
#1394
oh I meant precision shot. Since if you don't use the vest, the bullet is refunded!
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September 28 2013 23:51 GMT
#1395
who is CR
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September 28 2013 23:52 GMT
#1396
Oh Chairman ray. yeah I don't got time for his shit
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September 28 2013 23:53 GMT
#1397
Man actually talk about what you want, there's two scumteams they won't have their shit together enough to shoot good townies with good reads
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September 28 2013 23:55 GMT
#1399
yeah using vest N1 is like literally a terrible idea
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September 28 2013 23:58 GMT
#1401
in theory I agree with VE but in practice I also agree with VE nothing to see here
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September 29 2013 00:00 GMT
#1403
I should be so lucky!
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September 29 2013 04:15 GMT
#1414
rip rol ilu
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September 29 2013 17:07 GMT
#1465
On September 30 2013 01:48 Grackaroni wrote:
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On September 30 2013 01:45 Koshi wrote:
Oats mean that it is logical that a scum knows who is town. So nobody is going to say: "oh shit this guy that I think is scum is really good at figuring out who is town."

Grack means: "The reasoning for Palmar his townreads is pretty consistent with why I think these guys are town. Maybe Palmar does give a shit and has been reading the thread. My only point that he is scum might be shattered."



Both of you can thank me later by never voting for me again. ever. this means as long as you are alive. ever.

Yeah you're right. Palmar is way too much of a dumbass to be able to come up with town reads as scum. You have correctly identified my thought process and my alignment.


it's possible you are being sarcastic here but palmar is actually a pretty good player
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September 29 2013 17:15 GMT
#1470
On September 30 2013 02:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
I find myself in a catch 22 where if I contribute people will think I'm scum and if I don't contribute I am a good "policy lynch"

I wonder why towns are doing poorly lately...


just contribute and fuck da police
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September 29 2013 18:42 GMT
#1494
I think it makes someone randomly "visit" someone so that they might get falsely "caught" by stakeout.
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September 29 2013 19:54 GMT
#1504
ohh shii forgot about this game


1) FT still an okay lynch
2) rayn probably scum if i'm alive i'll be going after him
3) palm town
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#1506
palm town
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September 29 2013 19:59 GMT
#1507
he just sort of sounds like town to me. he's making sense when he talks. although he's on the list of people who might claim scum (as in he's so ballsy he might do it as scum) the fact that he did so likely means he is town. he's calling out inconsistency
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September 29 2013 20:00 GMT
#1508
he's pointing out things that I'm noticing. he's pointing them out in a way that makes sense. his effort level is low but what he says jives with some things I think. scum palm could do this but wouldn't be motivated to do so for his reasons
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#1509
he's made observations he hasn't NEEDED to as scum. makes sense as town.
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October 12 2013 18:34 GMT
#6136
you guys can thank me for all my glorious contributions later

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