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On October 12 2013 06:11 VayneAuthority wrote: I would rather lynch austin before anyone else, sticking with simplest solution = best solution ##vote: austinmmc I don't see how that applies here. Can you explain? | ||
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I mean....I guess? It doesn't seem nearly as simple to me as the previous cases. One thing actually which is an interesting thought that I got out of those posts of yours is.....Austin is REALLY sure a bunch of the time when people are town/scum. I know it certainly makes people a shit ton easier to bus, and if you remember in Les I was absolutely certain that JJD was scum (and for good reason lol). Pandain was absolutely certain FT was town and spend the entirety of a day defending him. I almost want to try and dig through stuff again to see how 'sure' Austin is of certain things. I believe it's harder to fake lack of conviction as scum because with a scum mindset, you'd always be thinking that people are going to point you out as 'wishy-washy.' Rayn, what do you think of VA applying Occam's Razor here? Does it work? | ||
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Which is more likely from a scum player in general when they are about to lose (not talking LYLO here)? To fight like crazy against all odds, pushing lynches, delving filters constantly, and engaging the town in conversation ALL of the time? Or giving up and hoping the town just magically forgets about you because you've most likely lost anyway and you don't want to put in wasted effort? | ||
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On October 12 2013 08:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: The first one, at least if i was in question. In I swear 2 when Sylencia killed Artanis and Z-Boson claimed scum (and outed me aswell) to FirmTofu i wanted to shoot him and claim vigilante and try play 9-1. :D I only gave up when he posted all comments from our scum QT. :D LOL I remember reading that. You didn't really end up doing it though, and if you did it was only to spite the fact that you had the game ruined for you. Try to think of it objectively, Rayn. | ||
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On October 12 2013 08:15 austinmcc wrote: The latter! (To be fair, I've been lynched as mafia once and lynched as town once. In both cases I actively fought hard) But in general, town players getting lynched when the game is close to being on the line don't give up/go silent. Heck, town players who maybe or maybe don't out scum don't sit back and do nothing at all after that. In my opinion, you fought hard in PTP because you had a really close shot to winning. It was completley up in the air, and the effort you put in would visibly make a difference. In which game were you lynched as scum, and at what point in the game did you fight? | ||
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On October 12 2013 11:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Eh, i really dont care anymore. In any other game i would be fighting so hard in this situation. In noir mini and nomination and aperture, i was so active end game, and the former two i was making cases and huge posts all over the place. Problem is, I don't care. It's difficult to care when your teammate CLAIMED SCUM for absolutely no reason. Like, even despite having 4 confirmed towns and night actions being retarded, we still had a chance. CR claimed because he thought he would get lynched no matter what... DIDNT EVEN FIGHT JUST ROLLED OVER. We could have easily pushed austin off a cliff by lynch, or i could have bussed him for towncred etc. nope. claim scum, gg. Like wtf... basically ruined any chance we had at winning here. didnt even consult me in the QT. So im not going to bother trying, don't care. Games over. I'm pretty salty about CR, game could use a few choice balance tweaks like weed costing a whole kp, but overall was fun. Btw we all thought oats was last mafia pre confirm. I dont remember why we did the payphone thing but it sounded epic to me, and not being able to 100% deal with cop was kinda bad, putting night actions a coin flip. I shot SnB by random yolo shot :3 I could have won by pushing austin and then convincing wos to vote vayne or something, but i stopped caring when cr claimed. S0lstice played like a champ though, what a boss. This is a formal concession, end game please. GG Cheese. The payphone thing being fake did seem a very 'you' thing to try. You guys definitely had a chance if not for the scumclaims. CR, please get some coaching before your next game imo---a little pressure from us was absolutely no reason to give up. GG all! Austin, for a guy trying so fucking hard I think it's hilarious you remained a top scum choice all game for so many people. | ||
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On October 12 2013 12:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS please never ever start a game like you did. :D Sorry dude, but at least you know I was legit pissed and it wasn't an act. At least a game like this gives me hope for TL towns---we DID deserve to win, right? Like...the game wasn't heavily town-favoured or anything? | ||
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Reading through 'analysis' QT. People were on the same page as me for Vayne and FT lynches, and wrong about so many other people. I don't feel so bad anymore about my reads this game :D :D :D Now reading through obs QT: wtf happened with the payphone and mod mistakes? Who got screwed by that? Edit: ok I see. Yeah that kinda sucks. Not sure what to say about that honestly because I did have scum on Pandain but it was going to be a HUGE pain in the ass to get him lynched. Also Koshi----you need to calm the fuck down. I'm not honestly sure where this irrational hatred you have for VE and I comes from, but I stand by everything I said about your play on that specific day. And saying I was 'attacking' Rayn when we were discussing fakeclaiming as town? Come on. It was a rational conversation everyone was having and nobody was getting mad. You played a really good game, there is no doubt about that, and I agree my attitude D1 was absolute shit and I had absolutely no reason to be as arrogant as I was, and I have apologized for that. I think you really need to think about situations like that from another person's POV, and calm down, like those in the obs QT were saying. I don't think anything I did beyond the first day was out of line at all, and I'm sorry you think so, because I don't plan on changing anything but that. | ||
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On October 12 2013 13:13 Grackaroni wrote: check out this scrub. I nailed 4/6 scum just from random guessing. Too bad my real reads were worse  Haha man I haven't had a game where my reads were this off in a long time. Definitely a reason you died before I did! gg | ||
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On October 12 2013 13:16 s0Lstice wrote: gg though to town. really good townplay this game all around. austin for town mvp imo. you would be 1000% more dangerous if you could just tone down the paranoia ;D It's HARD to do that. It's like an infection. | ||
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I have never spammed quite so much in a game and I never will again. I promise. I really was trying hard this game! | ||
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On October 12 2013 17:58 phagga wrote: some things. Props to Pandain to figure out Hiro N2 which led to the Hiro shot: Pandain 10-02-2013 07:05 AM ET (US) if Koshi is cop(where is that in thread), hiro probably is too. Only one who constantly says is town or hints that without much evidence, everyone else supports rng or points accusations. look at hiro filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...rotagonist&view=all This was a really good post that got ignored. I actually wanted to say some more about D2 and WoS play but somehow my thoughts are very disconnected right now. perhaps later. Re: Hosting It was a blast. And I got to write some flavour, yay  Yes, the setup was not perfect. As Cheese already pointed out, it was an error to prioritize bus over roleblock. Roleblock should have the highest priority. Also, I still think we should not let a cop bus himself. I do think that with this two changes alone the game would already be less town favoured, as you can't just claim cop anymore in thread and threat to bus yourself with someone else and it's gonna be unstoppable. The reason why Precision shot worked so well is because townies barely vested up. I think from 11 VTs only 5 vested up over the whole game? (Rayn, Vayne, VE, Austin, WoS). Perhaps we need a mechanic that prevents PS from confirming more than 2 people? Another thought, make drive-by increase KP by 0.5 and limit it to single-use. What is it in regards to? I'm very interested to hear any critiques to my play in order to improve myself. | ||
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On October 12 2013 23:43 phagga wrote: I noted around D2 how you were mis-using the confidence you have. You came into the game with a pretty big ego, which is not a problem when used correctly. However, I got the feeling that you tried to hard to push your reads on others, instead of trying to lead town. However, townies were not agreeing with your reads and felt you tried to push some scum agenda. There was once talk in the podcasts about a game Promethelax played on Mafiascum, where one guy was calling him out on being a narcissist and making a huge post about how Prom's ego is overblown. At the same time the same guy also acknowledged that Prom was playing very townie. The reason this worked was because Prom used his ego to lead the town, to constantly push people to give their reads, to ask again and again what they mean and to threat that he would lynch them if they would not do what he expected from them. So basically what I want to say is: it's ok if you come into the game with a huge ego, but you need to use it right. You need to push people to do what you need them to do so you (and other townies) can get a good read on their alignement (VE did this after Koshi confirmed him). But you came into the game trying to push your reads/opinion onto other townies, and they wont let that happen. And I think that's why you had a rather bad start into this game. Completely agree with this analysis. Appreciate the advice! | ||
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On October 13 2013 02:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: WoS please please play like you did from N1 -> every game from now on so we can murder scum in every game. I usually do. This game's early D1 and Persona are probably my only exceptions. Not sure how actually useful I was this game anyway considering my reads were all off, but at least I made the last few days easier since I was all but confirmed town. | ||
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