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On October 08 2013 14:41 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 14:33 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 08 2013 14:29 austinmcc wrote:On October 08 2013 14:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so it's possible that the other scumteam has 3 KP tonight if i understood correctly. I don't think you're reading it right. Generally, at least based on how other give up one to get two things have worked, you can sac 1 kp, whole number, and ONLY one, for 2 the next night. It's not usually a pure x2 formula, and the OP specifically states you can pass up 1 KP to get 2 the next night. I doesn't say pass up whatever to get 2x whatever. The drive by side should have 2. The non drive by side should have 1. VA and CC should be the mafia. Pandain is an outside option if one of them isn't, but I believe he's town. WoS very very very unlikely mafia now. Koshi, I would ask that you shoot VA or myself tonight. I trust you to make a decent decision within or outside of that, but here is my reasoning. You, as far as I can tell, think VA is town. You've got some doubts, some little things that bug you, but appear to think he's town. Dunno where you currently are on me. But here's the thing, VA and I appear to be ... entirely opposed. I've been calling him mafia. He's been calling me mafia. For a while now. Both of us would like to show that the other guy is mafia and that we're town. Not only that, but finding the townie betwixt us is important. It colors some other things, possible what to do about Pandain. If you shoot into us tonight, you confirm someone or kill scum. And if you confirm someone, we can be nearly nearly nearly 100% that the other one is mafia. It should also be relatively apparent that we are NOT the two remaining scum. This isn't a ploy to have one of us shot and the other skate through. You may not trust me entirely, but this is entirely sensible, and ensures that you pretty much get TWO reads off of a single action tonight. You have found VA townie, but he is not. You have found me scummy at times, but if we had gone with my plan of lynching outside the cops and lynching CR, we would have eliminated MCB (bee tee dubs, scum need all the night KP they can get, finishing off an entire team would be BAD for scum, and scum would not want that to happen) Any bus works, any shot works, but I think that by shooting into the two of us you get two reads for the price of one. While I agree somewhat with your 'if we had gone with my plan' thing, I don't think it says all that much because I don't really think there was any way you were going to get the entire town to support you over Solstice, and I believe a scum Austin would know this. I've said this before. I am unsure as to which of you or VA is scum, and a shot on one of you WOULD be good, but it presents the same problem as shooting me. If Koshi dies, it doesn't matter who he shoots, unless he hits scum because no one will be able to prove what he did. I'd say leave the night action up to Koshi. If there's one thing I can say about his play this game, at the very least he's been rockin' the cop. If I were scum austin my activity would have been 1/2 what it was yesterday, because I'd be busy yelling at solstice in QT for claiming cop (except cc likely scumbuddy so whatevs). If I were scum, I wouldn't have been trying to get CR lynched for ... more than 72 hours? BEFORE the whole cop thing I was trying to get him lynched. You know who needed him alive, needs him not lynched? Scum. DRB needs MCB ALIVE, so they have another KP tonight. They would rather lose 1 member than lose the other team. Think about that. I was pushing CR before the claim, CR was tied for lead with a whopping 2 votes, but DRB needs to ensure MCB stays alive for another NK. You can say I couldn't push the lynch off solstice onto CR, but I have been pushing CR, and pushing CR as the last MCB for long before the cop claim arose. I also pushed oats as town. At every mislynch, I have undermined the mislynch of choice. If I'm scum, I've actively pushed against ALL mislynches, pushed to lynch the other team out of existence, eliminating HALF of the overall mafia KP, and when VA flips mafia, would have been fighting for a while now with...my own buddy? The VA thing you guys don't see yet, but you will  (hopefully, please no throws)
You are right about this stuff, but who do you have for your scumteam? Because if it's Pandain/VA then essentially you've got the same thing where Pandain has been pushing VA lynch like crazy the whole game, so I wouldn't necessarily put it past you, unfortunately. The only other person who fits imo is Pandain/CC, and I'll admit I could be wrong about CC, though the sac seems a little ridic.
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On October 08 2013 14:44 Pandain wrote:
WoS do you disagree with killing CR tomorrow?
Of course not.
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On October 08 2013 14:44 Pandain wrote:
Vayne this is why I think you're scum.
We literally have a claimed scum who we can lower the KP with.
Yeah and clearly this is the scum route: admitting to the whole thread you may not want to kill confirmed scum. I bet all scum defend their scumbuddies in the open!
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On October 08 2013 14:47 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 14:44 Pandain wrote:
Vayne this is why I think you're scum.
We literally have a claimed scum who we can lower the KP with. what KP are we lowering exactly? he said he's just going to vest every night. If koshi kills scum tonight I will be gunning for the last scum on the other team, not CR.
Wat.
We...lynch him?
Tomorrow?
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On October 08 2013 14:51 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 14:47 VayneAuthority wrote:On October 08 2013 14:44 Pandain wrote:
Vayne this is why I think you're scum.
We literally have a claimed scum who we can lower the KP with. what KP are we lowering exactly? he said he's just going to vest every night. If koshi kills scum tonight I will be gunning for the last scum on the other team, not CR. In this post, we see the wild VA inform everyone that it's cool, the guy who claimed mafia is 100% trustworthy, and we shouldn't eliminate mafia KP.
Yeah I'm not really sure what that's about.
So wait why VA over Pandain?
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On October 08 2013 14:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Funny because i remember many pushes in this game and none of them have come from Austin.
I'm pretty sure you are wrong about that.
Too lazy to go check atm but yeah.
As for CC scum, yeah I guess it's possible. Certainly would fit with my 'Wave is wrong about everything' theme I've got going on. I'd put him at the bottom of my list though atm.
Huh.
Funnily enough it seems as though we have the opposite reads again (in that my top 2 are you/Pandain)....maybe I really should just sheep you for the rest of the game.
Austin if you're town you hereby get my vote for MVP. Koshi close second only because his posting.
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On October 09 2013 04:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
Vayne is aiming specifically to discredit and devalue the players putting the most effort into thinking about this game. I don't know that this makes him scum, but it makes him unworthy of anyone's respect or time. If he's town he's actively trying to lose the game, and if he's scum he's playing in the same fashion that he's accusing Pandain of, "playing dirty".
I'm done reading his posts, and want to lynch him after CR. I find it far more likely that he's scum in this situation considering his sudden resurgence in activity...like he knows he's in danger now that the last Banger is in the open, and people will start looking for him.
Yup yup yup yup.
Look at the end of Golden Sun and tell me VA isn't playing the exact same way atm!
also HAI GUISE
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I'm here just in time to not die!
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VE I will give up my powers of alchemy to bring you back.
The World cannot have you.
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HAHAHAHA
YES!!!
So CR is a baller, and we only gots one left!!
Finally I was right abotu somebody.
Thank god.
G FUCKING G Koshi.
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##Vote: Chairman Ray
lol of all people they shot Oats.
Well at least my brother yet lives.
VE apparently you're not a valuable NK anymore. 
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On October 09 2013 05:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Seems obvious Koshi bussed me with Pandain...but whatever.
lolwut
Why does everyone always think everyone is lying?
On October 09 2013 05:00 Koshi wrote:
So I used PS on Pandain. I trust rayn and VA that they are right. VA could be scum but I don't think so and so do Oats and rayn.
I also think that CR is telling the truth about vesting, so there should only be a max of 2 night actions. This means that if there is only 1/2 night action you guys should note down it is possible that I was RB and Shot and that Pandain still might be scum. If there are 2/3 actions you should know he is town... It's kinda fucked up with CR maybe not using his KP rofl....
Ah well you guys can do the math if I am dead.
<Disclaimer>
I didn't have buss left anymore, Hiro used it on N2 because I thought I would get shot.
Rayn you have created a cycle of mistrust amongst the town---everyone thinks everyone is lying to make plays now.
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Last scum may be difficult---the Pandain death imo doesn't clear any one of Austin/VA/CC.
I don't even think I have an order of preference anymore.
Man Koshi thank you SO much for shooting Pandain I don't have to do a massive filter dive and fight with him all day now.
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On October 09 2013 05:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'd like everyone to note that I've not provoked Vayne's repeated verbal assaults in any way.
This is how endgame scumVayne plays. (Les doesn't count because we were nowhere near dead at that point.)
Again, look at his play in GS.
Rayn you experienced it yourself. Is this not the same thing?
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I almost wonder if scum Vayne makes MORE sense since Pandain is MCB.
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So, wait a tic.
Where's the third scumshot? Did Ballers only use one and do something else? A protect on the wrong target or something?
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On October 09 2013 05:10 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2013 05:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
I almost wonder if scum Vayne makes MORE sense since Pandain is MCB.
how does that make sense when chairman ray was pushing me as well? Don't make me go fucking berserk on you. I am confirmed town.
lol.
You ain't confirmed SHIT.
And going berserk doesn't prove anything either.
Look at Pandain!
He was also totally confirmed town in his own eyes and pushed people like fucking crazy.
Nobody goes berserk better than me. I will out-berserk you any day of the week.
In fact, this is me:
![[image loading]](http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1335/70/1335709522828.jpg)
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On October 09 2013 05:13 VayneAuthority wrote:
That doesn't explain the shitty door you just left open. How is pandain as last banger making me more scum when chairman ray also pushed me? im waiting.
Because CR pushed you in his what, 6 post filter?
EVERYBODY was listning to him, mang! You were totally in danger of getting lynched because of CR's push on you!
Oh wait, sarcasm.
Then there was Pandain, who would actually be making a legitimate push on you because, you know, different scumteams!
i think that holds up pretty well, what say you?
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On October 09 2013 05:25 austinmcc wrote:
rayn.
Does a team of CR/solstice/ANYONE make sense to you?
What does the third player in that team have anything to do with who decided it was a good idea out 2 scum members in 2 days?
Do you envision the third player in that team being the leader?
Wait austin why did you include yourself in that scumteam list? lol
Shouldn't that be solstice?
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