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On October 08 2013 03:35 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 03:33 s0Lstice wrote:On October 08 2013 03:31 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 08 2013 03:30 s0Lstice wrote:
rayn you need to stop lying as town if you're town I'd say this but Rayn is probably the ONLY person I have ever seen this kindof thing work for in the past. this is why he will keep doing it : / i am a firm believer in no lying as town Here here! At best, even if it actually works for one person, it encourages other people to do it. Giving examples of lying as town being pro-town just means more lying from town, which then generally ends up being crappy.
Meh.
people don't need to look to other's play to come with excuses to do shit things.
They'll go ahead and do shit things anyway.
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On October 08 2013 03:35 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 03:34 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 08 2013 03:33 austinmcc wrote:On October 08 2013 03:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 08 2013 03:30 austinmcc wrote:On October 08 2013 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because Pandain actually figured out what i was doing. Most likely. Because he is not dumb. s0lstice isn't dumb either. The whole thing wasn't gonna go anywhere. And yeah wait a minute wtf? i didn't think it was gonna go anywhere either...? What exactly WERE you trying to do here? PEER INTO THE DEPTHS OF MAN'S SOUL. Trying to do where? When I ask Pandain why he wouldn't kill the last remaining MCB? See what Pandain's reasoning was. When I don't try to lie to s0lstice and tell him he can win? Save my breath because he'll figure it out. When I ask s0lstice why he claimed cop? Try and figure out why. I meant Rayn. Because I did the same stuff you did. (Except of course I had him voted from the start and was going to lynch him all day and wasn't trying to get town to lynch someone else. ) :D P'shaw. Also, that someone else is gonna flip mafia.
Who, CR?
Well you're in luck because I may be on board for that now, despite his intriguing insights.
We'll see what happens with NKs.
I won't be using vest again, not that scum gives a shit.
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On October 08 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Everyone who is town should have "agreed with me" to make Solstice feel comfortable and make him feel like he has higher chances of survival. Instead you shouted the possibly brilliant plan down for no reason.
Nah just being logical, Rayn.
Solstice isn't dumb and neither am I.
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On October 08 2013 03:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 03:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 08 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Everyone who is town should have "agreed with me" to make Solstice feel comfortable and make him feel like he has higher chances of survival. Instead you shouted the possibly brilliant plan down for no reason. Nah just being logical, Rayn. Solstice isn't dumb and neither am I. tbh WoS, that's not a reason to try. 90% of my "traps and shit" will not work. But if i succeed even in 1/100 it's worth it. You don't lose by making mistakes, you lose by not trying to do everything you can to kill scum.
True, which is why I didn't flat out say RAYN AMG NEVER LIE AS TOWN WTF because I've seen you make it work.
Doesn't mean
a) I caught on to you doing anything
b) Even had I caught on, I'd lie along with you.
I supported your attempt to try and get information out of Solstice, but i expressed myself in that I said I didn't think he had any reason to comply. Don't really see the problem.
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On October 08 2013 03:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 03:44 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 08 2013 03:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 08 2013 03:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 08 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Everyone who is town should have "agreed with me" to make Solstice feel comfortable and make him feel like he has higher chances of survival. Instead you shouted the possibly brilliant plan down for no reason. Nah just being logical, Rayn. Solstice isn't dumb and neither am I. tbh WoS, that's not a reason to try. 90% of my "traps and shit" will not work. But if i succeed even in 1/100 it's worth it. You don't lose by making mistakes, you lose by not trying to do everything you can to kill scum. True, which is why I didn't flat out say RAYN AMG NEVER LIE AS TOWN WTF because I've seen you make it work. Doesn't mean a) I caught on to you doing anything b) Even had I caught on, I'd lie along with you. I supported your attempt to try and get information out of Solstice, but i expressed myself in that I said I didn't think he had any reason to comply. Don't really see the problem. That's bad WoS. When Sol effectively claimed scum, you should have thought "what are rayn's intentions? Okay, he is town, what is he trying to do? Why?" This is even more clear situation for other townies than it was in NWM (where i understand people fucked up -- or reacted in a way i was not expecting -- because of paranoia). There was no possible paranoia in this one. Because you guys can be sure i am town!
I wasn't paranoid about your actions.
i just didn't really think anything was going to come of it.
Solstice any particular reason you chose me for a fake townread?
DOES THAT MEAN YOU THINK IM TOWNIE?
AMG <3
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On October 08 2013 03:52 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 03:49 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 08 2013 03:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 08 2013 03:44 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 08 2013 03:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 08 2013 03:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 08 2013 03:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Everyone who is town should have "agreed with me" to make Solstice feel comfortable and make him feel like he has higher chances of survival. Instead you shouted the possibly brilliant plan down for no reason. Nah just being logical, Rayn. Solstice isn't dumb and neither am I. tbh WoS, that's not a reason to try. 90% of my "traps and shit" will not work. But if i succeed even in 1/100 it's worth it. You don't lose by making mistakes, you lose by not trying to do everything you can to kill scum. True, which is why I didn't flat out say RAYN AMG NEVER LIE AS TOWN WTF because I've seen you make it work. Doesn't mean a) I caught on to you doing anything b) Even had I caught on, I'd lie along with you. I supported your attempt to try and get information out of Solstice, but i expressed myself in that I said I didn't think he had any reason to comply. Don't really see the problem. That's bad WoS. When Sol effectively claimed scum, you should have thought "what are rayn's intentions? Okay, he is town, what is he trying to do? Why?" This is even more clear situation for other townies than it was in NWM (where i understand people fucked up -- or reacted in a way i was not expecting -- because of paranoia). There was no possible paranoia in this one. Because you guys can be sure i am town! I wasn't paranoid about your actions. i just didn't really think anything was going to come of it. Solstice any particular reason you chose me for a fake townread? DOES THAT MEAN YOU THINK IM TOWNIE? AMG <3 Yea plus this sets you up for the long game hue
Yeah set me up for WIFOM you little minx.
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On October 08 2013 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am going to make a BlazingHand coaching post right now!
Whenever you guys play with me, for fucks sake think about why i say what i do. First of all, that's how you will find out my alignment. Second, when i am town and you realize what i am actually doing you get a certain townread on me and we can hold hands and shit and destroy scum.
In this case there was not a single scum!motivation for my actions because i am confirmed town. The only question is; "why would town!rayn do this?". Am i dumb? Well if you believe so, then your responses are acceptable (or if you guys are dumb). The problem is i do not think either of you -- WoS/Austin/Vayne -- are dumb. Another problem is you all very well know i do crazy stuff sometimes. The third problem is not each one of you even thought what would my town!motivation be, while it was pretty clear. That's why Pandain gets many many townie points for this, and you guys get many many scumpoints. CC gets AFK-when-shit-goes-on-points.
Sorry Rayn, I'm not adjusting the way I play specifically to look out for if/when you start lying about shit and trying to determine whether I'm going to fall into a tarp or anyone else should. I haven't caught on yet and I probably never will even if I did try.
I just continue to assume, like most logical people, that town have no reason to lie about things, and that gets me through just fine.
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On October 08 2013 04:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 04:00 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 08 2013 03:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am going to make a BlazingHand coaching post right now!
Whenever you guys play with me, for fucks sake think about why i say what i do. First of all, that's how you will find out my alignment. Second, when i am town and you realize what i am actually doing you get a certain townread on me and we can hold hands and shit and destroy scum.
In this case there was not a single scum!motivation for my actions because i am confirmed town. The only question is; "why would town!rayn do this?". Am i dumb? Well if you believe so, then your responses are acceptable (or if you guys are dumb). The problem is i do not think either of you -- WoS/Austin/Vayne -- are dumb. Another problem is you all very well know i do crazy stuff sometimes. The third problem is not each one of you even thought what would my town!motivation be, while it was pretty clear. That's why Pandain gets many many townie points for this, and you guys get many many scumpoints. CC gets AFK-when-shit-goes-on-points. Sorry Rayn, I'm not adjusting the way I play specifically to look out for if/when you start lying about shit and trying to determine whether I'm going to fall into a tarp or anyone else should. I haven't caught on yet and I probably never will even if I did try. I just continue to assume, like most logical people, that town have no reason to lie about things, and that gets me through just fine. Well if you are town, you should't do that. There will always be reasons for townies to lie.
In most (read like 95+% of) cases I find this to be not even remotely true, and whatever town feels they needed to lie about to get done, means they were too shitty to get it done without lying. See: Mocsta fake cop claim.
Think what you want and gather any conclusions you wish from this Rayn, but I'm not going to agree with you on this, nor the conclusions you draw from this scenario.
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On October 08 2013 04:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
and this is why no one wants to play with rayn, when he has these moments of fucking full retard. makes me not want to play the game anymore by how annoying he is with this shit
This. (Except you're one to talk.)
On October 08 2013 04:06 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 04:02 Koshi wrote:
Sorry. 60 pages so 1200 posts were needed and after that people were reliefed they were right. Got to respect rayn, VA and pandain for seeing through the bullshit instantly. yup your biased!
And this.
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On October 08 2013 04:12 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 04:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 08 2013 04:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
and this is why no one wants to play with rayn, when he has these moments of fucking full retard. makes me not want to play the game anymore by how annoying he is with this shit I expect people to do things in a certain way if they are town. I expect them to do things in some other way if they are scum. You do not find scum if you buy every explanation one gives to you. I look for what makes sense to you and what doesn't. I am not sure you guys are scum, i am trying to figure it out. Is this the time when you go into the ad hom mode because you can't defend yourself any other way? this is the part where I tell you are a dumbass for thinking that because I think you're a scummy shitbag of a player that resorts to cheap shit that it has something to do with my alignment, nothing pisses me off more then people that go after morals.
I don't see at all how what Rayn did was cheap. I found Pandain's play in Noire at the endgame a lot mroe deplorable since he was gaming the host. Rayn's play didn't actually do anything that didn't require Solstice to agree to it. Even if Solstice did it's perfectly well within expectation in a game.
Vayne you really are an oddball in this forum.
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On October 08 2013 04:14 austinmcc wrote:
Postgame/PMs/never
Yup I'm getting there.
So Austin!
How's the weather where you are?
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On October 08 2013 04:19 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 04:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 08 2013 04:14 austinmcc wrote:
Postgame/PMs/never Yup I'm getting there. So Austin! How's the weather where you are? Sunny and 70. Not a shitstorm in the sky. I, for one, am happy that if s0lstice is mafia, we lynched mafia. I am, however, very sad because I thought I might have a brother in role idiocy. But apparently no.
Role idiocy?
No comprende.
oh you mean weird bluerole usage?
What is it you did when you were talking about that?
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On October 08 2013 04:25 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 04:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 08 2013 04:19 austinmcc wrote:On October 08 2013 04:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 08 2013 04:14 austinmcc wrote:
Postgame/PMs/never Yup I'm getting there. So Austin! How's the weather where you are? Sunny and 70. Not a shitstorm in the sky. I, for one, am happy that if s0lstice is mafia, we lynched mafia. I am, however, very sad because I thought I might have a brother in role idiocy. But apparently no. Role idiocy? No comprende. oh you mean weird bluerole usage? What is it you did when you were talking about that? My first game as DT was my only ban from the forum, because I compared role PMs with another DT-ish role. As a watcher I saw Sandroba kill marv in a game, didn't tell town, gave a huge townread on sandroba and tried to get him to give out more reads. The only game I've ever been mislynched, and I think one of only two times I've been lynched, I was a vet. I held onto that info til the last second cuz I thought I could swing the lynch. When I was Phoenix Wright, I ended up confirming a godfather as town, although they figured that out later. TWICE in PTPish games, I've rolled scum and only used my powers in a pro-town manner. Roles and I just don't seem to agree.
So....you'd think you'd LEARN from those experiences, no? Beeg plays are generally pretty bad barring very very very few exceptional people who can pull shit off. I am certainly not one of those---hell I never used my Gladiator role the way it was SUPPOSED to be used in Carnival Cruise because I was too scared I'd fuck up (when it would have gotten town an extra early lynch).
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Oh and on that note Austin I hope you play in my upcoming PYP now.
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I'll just sit around and look pretty since apparently I haven't been good for much this game.
Scum you're welcome to take a shot at me to confirm me town.
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On October 08 2013 05:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 04:59 Koshi wrote:On October 08 2013 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay it's outed already. ffs CC. :E
Koshi who did you bus? It is day? Yeah sol/CC outed you bussed last night. Who did you bus? Yourself and CC?
Haven't caught up yet since my last post but I realized I forgot to say about this.
THIS, Rayn, is exactly why I don't want to force my way of thinking to yours.
You come up with random shit and jump at shadows, and think everything is a crumb or that you 'caught on' to somebody's secret when there isn't anything there.
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On October 08 2013 05:25 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 05:21 Koshi wrote:On October 08 2013 05:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's pretty simple. The plan was obviously to get Koshi lynched. He wasn't particularly townie looking, and he never once mentioned anything he and hiro discussed in their QT...if they'd succeeded in getting Koshi lynched this game would be over for us come tomorrow. .... Yeah, I was toying around and it wasn't really close. S0lstice didn't do this to get me lynched. But sure. It could be a reason. Dumbest idea 2013-2016. This is why I fucking hate that you're confirmed cop now Koshi. You asked a question and I answered it and you're like "lolnope" without saying at all why you don't think that's the case. I'm fucking done with you. Do what you gotta do tonight, but don't expect ANYTHING in the way of discourse with me. We're fucking done.
I'm kind of surprised at the rage here but I do sort of feel the same way.
Really been hating Koshi's attitude.
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Oh really?
So I'm mislynch of choice tomorrow it seems?
Alright ladies and gents.
Fucking bring it.
This 'holier than thou' attitude of yours VE is getting on my nerves.
Do you want me around tonight to help you not lose the game when you mislynch me, or do you just want to circlejerk with Rayn?
Up to you.
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On October 08 2013 08:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not holier than anyone. I trust rayn because he's confirmed. You're not confirmed and I found ample reason to be suspicious of you after looking in your filter.
But sure, if you want to fuck off to prove some sort of point by all means - you know I'm not gonna judge you, as that's one of my signature moves.
I'm not proving any point.
You say you only want to bother talking shit through with Rayn as though just the two of you putting your heads together is going to be enough, then that's fine.
Maybe I'm partially pissed that I still have people thinking I'm scum despite being the most active person in this game, though considering nothing has gone the way I expected it to this game, I suppose I half-expected it.
THe fact remains VE, that I want town to win. And if you lynch me tomorrow, you won't.
Drop the association cases, because all of that shit has equivalent town explanation.
I have been doing nothing but attempting to help solve this game right from the get go.
I have been nothing but forthcoming and transparent with all of my reads, thought processes, and actions.
I have not LIED about anything in this game.
I have a massive fucking filter WITHOUT any inconsistency.
Show me how I am scum.
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Like, thinking about it now.
Let's talk simple-case scenarios.
You know, like the Solstice one, where late fakeclaim = scum.
Have you ever seen a scum member with a filter 10 FUCKING PAGES longer than the second highest person in any game?
Pretty simple imo.
As far as who scum are, fuck trying to figure out Bangers v other guys 'cause the association cases and everyone's theories have sucked the big one thus far.
I'm thinking Pandain/Austin and either CR or VA.
My reads have been shit this game but I'm still going to fucking try.
Oh and that's another thing.
If I was scum why would I purposefully get EVERY FUCKING READ WRONG and not try to get ANY towncred whatsoever?
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