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On October 07 2013 07:03 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 07:00 Koshi wrote:
Like fucking D2 VE tells the entire thread I am cop. VA agrees. Grack agrees.
Night 2 I am so obvious cop because I hiro is saving me.
On day 3 I claim cop and I tell everybody everything.
Night 3 I fucking tell you about shot on Oats which is SUPER FUCKING PRO TOWN.
Day 4 everybody his fucking scumread says: "oh hai guis I am cop, Koshi is scum"
rest of day 4 ALL YOU FUCKING RETARDS BELIEVE S0LSTICE AND I AM FUCKING SCUM??
REALLLYLYLYLYYLYLYYYY???????
HOW DOES THAT HAPpEN.?????????
FFS Honestly? Because if you're actually a cop I think you have targeted decently but have played this actual game poorly. And you being cop messes with some of my reads on other people.
This exactly.
But I must say, thank you for paraphrasing that QT.
That's what I fucking call effort.
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On October 07 2013 08:22 austinmcc wrote:
and again, oats in that last paragraph is WoS.
How do you keep making that mistake?
Also I just realized something.
The effort Austin is putting in to solving this game---under any other circumstances would give me a massive extra huge mega fucking boner townread on him, but then I remember PTP: Dr Who Mafia.
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On October 07 2013 07:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Showing your work isn't for my benefit friend. You have no idea how much I wish I could just trust you AND trust town to just sheep you if I just trust you. That's too much unnecessary trust. That's the kind of trust scum wants town to give them.
Showing your work is for the rest in town who see a counterclaim and thirst for mafia blood. I think it's highly unlikely that s0L is the last Banger regardless of alignment, and he's pretty unanimously the vote leader.
You're showing your work to save the town, not to convince me.
VE what the shit is this/
Haven't we already shown we don't need to find the last banger (ie SOlstice may be or may not be but it doesn't FUCKING MATTER), we just need to lynch scum?!
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On October 07 2013 08:33 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 08:25 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 07 2013 08:22 austinmcc wrote:
and again, oats in that last paragraph is WoS. How do you keep making that mistake? Also I just realized something. The effort Austin is putting in to solving this game---under any other circumstances would give me a massive extra huge mega fucking boner townread on him, but then I remember PTP: Dr Who Mafia. Yaya, and you should. The end of that game was the BEST because I actually got to solve the game. Look at my play D1 and D2 in that game. I like playing town. I like the puzzle and trying to solve the game. I was awful in that game as mafia until I got to pretend I was a townie and hunt 3P. My activity ticked up and my play improved the moment I got to do the part of the game I like, trying to solve game. Also...I don't know that how I play scum after claiming scum and thinking the game was over is indicative of my normal scum play 
It's not that.
Simply the tryhard factor that many people don't have as scum.
Hell even my one scumgame I posted way less percentagewise than any other and I still tried decently hard.
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Aaaanyway.
Honestly while I do appreciate the effort being put forth, I still don't think the benefits outweigh the risks in trying to determine the MCB. Especially in a game where so many people are playing so well as both alignments (clearly). Solstice is the safe play here and I WILL be taking it.
Now VE said something about homework? I'm supposed to grill people or some shit? I did so much of that to solstice last night and Koshi, well....I don't even know what else to say about him. That massive QT paraphrasing really convinced me. Like...as much effort as it takes to write up something like that, the sheer amount of effort it would take to FABRICATE something like that, make it seem coherent and following conversational directions, input from mods, disagreements....
Like, there is no fucking way in hell Koshi could have faked that.
Austin, do you believe something like that is fakeable?
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Koshi are you still around?
Can I ask you why you think I might be scum and why you're so hell-bent on singling me out as one of the people who doesn't believe you?
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On October 07 2013 22:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote: s0Lstice
Austin, thank you for trying, but as I suspected town is fucking set on this lynch.
s0Lstice if you're really the cop I hope you'll think twice before claiming scum as town again.
Ultimately I agree that s0Lstice is most likely scum, I just retain that I doubt he's the last Banger. Hopefully I'm wrong I guess.
Been set on it since the start and I have absolutely no problem with that.
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I have a horrible feeling about this all of a sudden.
Like...a REALLY bad feeling. It doesn`t make sense and is probably paranoia but then again not much of these claims have made sense. I KNOW logically the right call is Solstice.
VE.
Is there any way at all we can be assured of a scum lynch outside the copclaims? I've read Austin's stuff but I don't feel nearly as confident as he does, especially given my performance this game.
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Hey Koshi, shut the fuck up for a second.
The men are talking.
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On October 08 2013 00:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Just look at it like this: if you remove the cop claims and me and yourself from the pool you have 7 people. If you believe that one of the cop claims is scum, that means that out of 7 people, 3 are scum.
3 scum and 4 townies. Out of Pandain, Oats, rayn, austin, Cheese, CR, VA, there are 4 townies and 3 scum. The odds are almost exactly the same as choosing between the cop claims.
But better odds w/cop claims by a little. And if we're looking for MCB you think we won't find it in solstice? I'm not sure why you think that honestly.
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On October 08 2013 00:04 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Just look at it like this: if you remove the cop claims and me and yourself from the pool you have 7 people. If you believe that one of the cop claims is scum, that means that out of 7 people, 3 are scum.
3 scum and 4 townies. Out of Pandain, Oats, rayn, austin, Cheese, CR, VA, there are 4 townies and 3 scum. The odds are almost exactly the same as choosing between the cop claims. But better odds w/cop claims by a little. And if we're looking for MCB you think we won't find it in solstice? I'm not sure why you think that honestly.
Like....my bad feeling stems from something absolutely retarded and I'll have to wait until postgame to mention it.
It might be nothing but it might be something.
Fuck this day has really sucked. Logic absolutely states that Solstice must be scum but he's played today so fucking amazingly and his shit has checked out pretty damn well.
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On October 08 2013 00:08 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 08 2013 00:04 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 08 2013 00:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Just look at it like this: if you remove the cop claims and me and yourself from the pool you have 7 people. If you believe that one of the cop claims is scum, that means that out of 7 people, 3 are scum.
3 scum and 4 townies. Out of Pandain, Oats, rayn, austin, Cheese, CR, VA, there are 4 townies and 3 scum. The odds are almost exactly the same as choosing between the cop claims. But better odds w/cop claims by a little. And if we're looking for MCB you think we won't find it in solstice? I'm not sure why you think that honestly. Like....my bad feeling stems from something absolutely retarded and I'll have to wait until postgame to mention it. It might be nothing but it might be something. Fuck this day has really sucked. Logic absolutely states that Solstice must be scum but he's played today so fucking amazingly and his shit has checked out pretty damn well. And mine didn't??? DSQFDQFQSDFQDFQSDFQSDFQSDF
Koshi, once again, shut up.
your shit was fine.
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On October 08 2013 00:09 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:04 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 08 2013 00:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Just look at it like this: if you remove the cop claims and me and yourself from the pool you have 7 people. If you believe that one of the cop claims is scum, that means that out of 7 people, 3 are scum.
3 scum and 4 townies. Out of Pandain, Oats, rayn, austin, Cheese, CR, VA, there are 4 townies and 3 scum. The odds are almost exactly the same as choosing between the cop claims. But better odds w/cop claims by a little. And if we're looking for MCB you think we won't find it in solstice? I'm not sure why you think that honestly. It's actually really simple. The MCB is alone now, and in order to win he's got to kill everyone on the other scumteam IN ADDITION to all the townies. I find it far more likely that the MCB would have used his KP to kill last night - he's got SO MANY people to kill before he can win, and using KP for anything BUT killing is only prolonging the game (which is bad for scum). Now, don't ask me why if s0L is a Baller, he used the Payphone. I really honestly don't know his motivations. Maybe he was hoping to reach out to the final Banger in an attempt to work together. Maybe the whole intention was to counterclaim cop (though I doubt this as it was so messy and came out of nowhere). But in spite of it not making much sense, I find it more likely than the last Banger using Payphone.
VE didn't we talk about this before though?
MCB could very well have used KP AND Payphone.
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On October 08 2013 00:12 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 08 2013 00:08 Koshi wrote:On October 08 2013 00:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 08 2013 00:04 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 08 2013 00:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Just look at it like this: if you remove the cop claims and me and yourself from the pool you have 7 people. If you believe that one of the cop claims is scum, that means that out of 7 people, 3 are scum.
3 scum and 4 townies. Out of Pandain, Oats, rayn, austin, Cheese, CR, VA, there are 4 townies and 3 scum. The odds are almost exactly the same as choosing between the cop claims. But better odds w/cop claims by a little. And if we're looking for MCB you think we won't find it in solstice? I'm not sure why you think that honestly. Like....my bad feeling stems from something absolutely retarded and I'll have to wait until postgame to mention it. It might be nothing but it might be something. Fuck this day has really sucked. Logic absolutely states that Solstice must be scum but he's played today so fucking amazingly and his shit has checked out pretty damn well. And mine didn't??? DSQFDQFQSDFQDFQSDFQSDFQSDF All you've been doing is coming in here and calling anyone retarded who doubts you. Now stop bitching and moaning and let people who actually care about trying to win try to win. I have only called WoS less intelligent tbh.
And tbh I don't understand why you've been fucking raging like crazy at me alone.
Everyone has been flip flopping votes back and forth yet I have kept mine on Solstice the entire fucking day but only when I speak or question anything do you get mad.
Are you trying to get me to vote you out of spite or something?
Is this some sort of fucked up test?
Your play over this past day has been mostly deplorable. Shut the fuck up Koshi. If you're cop you've done your work, now let other people finish the game.
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Like honestly.
Don't fucking talk to me about horrible play after Noire.
I'm honestly really mad I'm questioning Solstice being scum again too because it's for a reason somewhat beyond my control and I can't talk about it.
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I say honestly way too much. I have to fucking stop.
VE can you answer me regarding MCB use of KP AND payphone?
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On October 08 2013 00:19 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 20:10 Koshi wrote:
Hiro pro interesting guy. Do like. Need to follow up though. Otherwise will lynch.
 Like..... Maybe we should just lynch Koshi and #YOLO
You know I never thought Koshi getting mad about the RNG was actually fake, but today's rage about the cop counterclaim strikes me as incredibly fake. It reeks of agenda. As does his cosntant taunting of me.
Hear that Koshi? Your talking is making it worse. Now shut up.
I still don't see myself taking my vote off Solstice because again especially after Noire I know making the right play is important, but FUCK THIS
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On October 08 2013 00:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
I have no idea what to say with regard to that theory - I don't know the costs. How does Koshi know that Payphone costs .5 KP?
He doesn't?
I don't understand.
What does it have to do with koshi?
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On October 08 2013 00:23 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:12 Koshi wrote:On October 08 2013 00:09 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 08 2013 00:04 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 08 2013 00:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
Just look at it like this: if you remove the cop claims and me and yourself from the pool you have 7 people. If you believe that one of the cop claims is scum, that means that out of 7 people, 3 are scum.
3 scum and 4 townies. Out of Pandain, Oats, rayn, austin, Cheese, CR, VA, there are 4 townies and 3 scum. The odds are almost exactly the same as choosing between the cop claims. But better odds w/cop claims by a little. And if we're looking for MCB you think we won't find it in solstice? I'm not sure why you think that honestly. It's actually really simple. The MCB is alone now, and in order to win he's got to kill everyone on the other scumteam IN ADDITION to all the townies. I find it far more likely that the MCB would have used his KP to kill last night - he's got SO MANY people to kill before he can win, and using KP for anything BUT killing is only prolonging the game (which is bad for scum). Now, don't ask me why if s0L is a Baller, he used the Payphone. I really honestly don't know his motivations. Maybe he was hoping to reach out to the final Banger in an attempt to work together. Maybe the whole intention was to counterclaim cop (though I doubt this as it was so messy and came out of nowhere). But in spite of it not making much sense, I find it more likely than the last Banger using Payphone. Payphone is 0,5KP. He shot VE. Probably had to use Payphone or Molotov for 0,5. Gambled. Lost. ezpz.
OK I see.
It seems weird that he stated it as an absolute but I technically it was the first thought I had regarding this.
My original theory is Solstice is MCB, used a KP on you and Payphone to try and YOLO the fuck out of everyone because sitting and waiting to lose sucks and he didn't have it in him to try and hide for 2-3 days. Especially if he thinks he was already found out by the other scumteam.
I just don't see why that theory makes any less sense than Solstice being on ballers.
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On October 08 2013 00:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah, and the s0L posts look much more like "I'm not a cop with this guy".
But Koshi is being really....closed to this whole thing. Like, he doesn't appear to want people to figure out the game. And he's ABSOLUTELY AGAINST lynching anyone but s0Lstice.
Ugh, this is such a weird situation.
VE do you at least agree with me that the objective 'right call' here based on counterclaim situation is to lynch Solstice?
Can we work together from there?
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