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WaveofShadow
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On October 05 2013 08:05 VayneAuthority wrote: can we lynch this guy already? anyone that thinks a WoS/me/cheesecake team is a real thing needs to be thrown in the dumpster asap LOL Vayne! But really, wouldn't that just be epic? I wish I could play scum every game---then I wouldn't mind playing with OR against you! | ||
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WaveofShadow
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 I don't wanna spend a whole 72 hours defending myself. Please. Town. On October 05 2013 09:38 VayneAuthority wrote: I cannot fucking wait until 2 hours pass And this. | ||
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On October 05 2013 09:40 Pandain wrote: WoS who do you want to lynch tommorow I see no strong opinions My reads remain the same. You Oats and Vayne. To this day I have never, EVER seen Vayne play as strong a towngame as this one. Towngame Vayne usually means scum. I know it's meta but it's what I've got atm, and the longer he survives the harder he will be to get rid of, as you guys have seen. I am still pretty fucking sure of Oats, and if any of you dare to say I'm bandwagoning this remember that I FUCKING CAME UP WITH THE OATS SCUMREAD TO BEGIN WITH. You guys can even pretend I'm on the other scumteam if you want and that Oats is a partner with SnB/Palmar (which makes sense, I must admit). Makes more sense to eliminate a scumteam first. As far as the associative tells you guys are pulling up with regards to Palmar/SnB---I can probably go into more detail defending myself against those later, but know what I said about Palmar is 100% the truth. If you don't believe me, go read everything I said about Palmar in LXI. I have no idea how to read him---if you think I was just opting out/defending him well I guess too bad for me I suppose but that's all I have to go on. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On October 05 2013 09:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Then spend 72 hours explaining why your teammates are better lynches.  VE I'm sad you believe we are not fighting for the same side. We were brothers, remember? We can have that again. Fuck this next while is going to be tough for me, but I resolve to NOT GET LYNCHED. FOR TOWN. It will be like the Wave of old: I will rail against whoever I have to, however I have to. My faith in the town was but a mere ember, about to be extinguished but the spark has been LIT! I WILL NOT GO DOWN TO THE SCUM WITHOUT A FIGHT. TOWN WILL FUCKING WIN THIS GAME | ||
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WaveofShadow
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I'M FUCKING PUMPED And I have some time. Austin I promise I'll get to your case in a little while. Let's go VE. Fire away. What do you need from me? | ||
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On October 05 2013 09:54 VisceraEyes wrote: Wave - Make it your mission to find the last scum on the SnB/Palmar team. Like, there's talk that it's you. If it's not you, then FIND HIM AND DESTROY HIM!! But I mean... I want this obv but that doesn't prove to you guys I'm not scum. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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Oh that'll be easier to prove lol. I figured you guys mostly thought I was on the unknown scummer team. | ||
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On October 05 2013 10:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Wave don't be deterred. If you're town don't worry about the fact that everyone thinks you're scum. If you're town, we're gonna win even if we lynch you. I SWEAR IT! .....with the caveat that if austin/Pandain is on either of the scumteams, we're like fucked. Uh.... Why are you guys so sure Pandain is town? I'm certainly not. And I'm not deterred I told you. I'm fucking PUMPED because I think town has a pretty good shot at a win for once. | ||
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On October 05 2013 10:12 VisceraEyes wrote: It has to do with the way he was defending FT - knowing that FT was a townie, there was NO REASON AT ALL for him to balls-to-the-wall defend him the way he was doing. It makes NO sense from a scum perspective. FT wasn't even playing, so he couldn't be posturing to get FT on his side or anything like that, there's ZERO to gain and EVERYTHING to lose by drawing that much attention to himself. There's like no way Pandain is scum, from my perspective. I can think of one reson. It's farfetched but I can't discount it. Simply because the kind of defense that Pandain laid up is likely to give him a huge townread like that one you're giving him. I also find it slightly hypocritical that you give Pandain a townread for sitting on a townread for ages and actively forcing it on people, and yet when I push a scumread for almost the entire game I must be scum because he flipped town. I know that's not the only reason you guys think I'm scum (associative tells ugh) but do you honestly think I'd so blatantly refuse to move off of FT if I were scum, KNOWING what he would flip? | ||
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WaveofShadow
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Compare the percentage size of my filter in a bunch of games I've been in. The only scumgame I have ever played is probably my lowest post count percentagewise and I survived until endgame. I honestly think I posted more even in my survivor games. What excuse would I have to be this active and constantly drawing attention to myself? What scum member that has been caught has done that so far? | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On October 05 2013 10:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Your activity is redeeming I'll admit, but framed so defensively it loses merit. And for someone saying that you didn't want to spend time defending yourself, you're sure doing exclusively that now. You're losing me Wave. I know you don't care, and bravado bullshit, but I'm just saying. Of course I'm doing it. I have to. You want me to go ahead and find scum---they've been found. Oats/VA/Pandain I have not changed my mind. Even if you disagree with me on Vayne and Pandain then you can go for Oats. But that won't be good enough to make you think I'm not scum, so I have to defend myself against what's been brought up. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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I think I know what he's talking about but I'm not sure in what capacity. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On October 05 2013 10:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Your activity is redeeming I'll admit, but framed so defensively it loses merit. And for someone saying that you didn't want to spend time defending yourself, you're sure doing exclusively that now. You're losing me Wave. I know you don't care, and bravado bullshit, but I'm just saying. Wait what? My activity is framed defensively? Or that post? I've been on the fucking offense all game. You can't just pick and choose that one post and discount all of my activity because now I'm defending myself from suspicion. That's horseshit. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On October 05 2013 10:31 VisceraEyes wrote: That post - was framed in a defensive way. "Well there's this, BUT YOU GUYS WON'T LISTEN TO THAT I'M SURE" Like...it just rubbed me the wrong way dude no need to get shitty about it. Not shitty IM FIGHTING FOR MY LIIIIIIIFE | ||
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WaveofShadow
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On October 05 2013 10:31 VisceraEyes wrote: That post - was framed in a defensive way. "Well there's this, BUT YOU GUYS WON'T LISTEN TO THAT I'M SURE" Like...it just rubbed me the wrong way dude no need to get shitty about it. VE. Come on buddy. You know me and how negative I am. Look at the beginning of this game. Also think about when we play League, I'm always talking about how 'it's over.' (Although I'm not as bad as some people we've played with in that regard lol). Gotta assume da worst and hope for the best, amirite? | ||
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Alright. So Rayn, if you're around. My random-ass scumread on you here On September 28 2013 02:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Epiphany: Rayn is scum. He is pushing me really strongly off the bat and entering his shit-rayn tunnel-mode. He is capable of this as both town and scum. Why does this make him scum? He knows he can get me lynched. When we were both town in Persona he pushed me relentlessly and got me lynched D1 (I played a shit game and probs deserved it but whatever). I didn't go down without a fight and much of that first day was us calling each other scum---and yet he won in the end with spam and yelling and whatnot as Rayn is wont to do. Rayn's original reasoning outside of this case on me that game is because I was being belligerent and refusing to address him, 'even though he gave me chances.' He gave me a few opportunities to deal with him but I didn't want to bother, so he got me lynched. He learned his lesson about this supposedly after the game and so I believe as town he wouldn't attempt this sort of a push again because of how detrimental it would be to the atmosphere and to the town in general. In this game yes I am being belligerent once again but I am also being transparent and actively engaging everyone. Scum Rayn has picked out that he can try and get me lynched based on the belligerence and perceived 'emo-ness' of my posting thus far despite the fact that I am playing fundamentally differently to Persona, and ultimately way more towny. Given the chance, he may very well succeed as overall Rayn is pretty damn good at pushing lynches. He is taking the 'safe' route here---something he knows he can get done and he won't look overly bad when I do flip town because not only do some other people suspect me atm, but it is something a town Rayn 'would' do. Rayn and Vayne, the rhyming scum. (Not necessarily on same team though  )got negated when I realized how you played last game as scum in Noire. And why I couldn't tell you about it. I made that huge-ass scumread on you and then realized the very game you were still fucking IN playing scum didn't fit that description. And that I was dumb. | ||
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On October 05 2013 11:32 VayneAuthority wrote: and finally that game is over, please refer to pandain's play in Noire for why I have been suspicious as hell ever since that last cycle and even before that, that is all. Gone for a while I knew that's what you were referring to, but I don't really see that much similarity. Oh Pandain you should have been modkilled by the way in Noire for that 'asking to get modkilled' faking town thing. That is some fucking scuzzy shit, and completely breaks marv's 'dick move' analysis because that is a DICK move. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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Let's see, what other stuff can I talk about now that Noire is over.... | ||
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On October 05 2013 08:55 austinmcc wrote: It's a combination of things. I'll make a too-large post in later tonight or later this cycle. There are a couple things that made me think he would be bros with Palmar if Palmar was scum. Off a quick reread but without the big post: (1) The WAY that he fought the Palmar lynch. Palmar maybe scum, but I can't read the guy. I can never read the guy. Palmar maybe scum, but I wouldn't lynch him over my other scum suspects. Palmar maybe scum, but let's switch onto Oats? Oats scum guys, let's switch Oats over Palmar. At no point does he step in front of the lynch, but he's always trying to drive it sideways. Maybe we lynch someone other than Palmar. Maybe if we swap off FT we swap onto someone else. I'm not saying Palmar isn't scum gaiz, but ... I can't read him. Can never read him. Ask me for a read? I can't read him, maybe he's whatever. (2) There are a lot of playful WoS/Palmar posts. Not bussing. Just them joking about some bad game WoS played, how he's so good but not Ace now. Neither is really doing anything to read the other. They just sort of dance with each other for no reason. ***THIS IS NOT A PARTICULARLY GREAT REASON I KNOW THAT*** (3) Oat's specific read on Palmar at points in the game. He started off apparently townish, without ever really having any specific justification. His read, if you follow it, is never anything particularly specific, and always hidden behind "I can't read Palmar kkkk" (4) It may sound dumb, but this post - + Show Spoiler + On October 05 2013 00:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Palmar I have a question for you. The emphasis here is that decent townies recognise good solutions when they're presented to them. Unfortunately way too many townies atm don't take the time to assess and appreciate the correct answers given to them by strong townies (or just townies who are correct and making good arguments), and instead go off and do their own (incorrect) thing. The bolded section is something marv wrote. Do you think this may be relevant to the current situation at all? (5) WoS never spoke about snb. Once said he was "dropping bombs," but nothing beyond that. Snb, in turn, likes wos's case on FT, mentions it like 3-4 times, but never ever speaks of any sort of read on WoS. I know snb didn't exactly chat about a boatload of people, but neither mentions the other at all really, despite SnB always noting he liked WoS's case. Call it mostly 1, with a little 4-5 mixed in. Alright let's see: 1) At no point do you simply consider that I'm telling the truth. I am well aware of how it looks, but do you honestly think that if I were worried about my appearance for not being able to make a read on Palmar as a member of his scumteam I wouldn't just say I had a weak townread or a weak scumread or something instead of repeating myself that I can't fucking read the guy MULTIPLE times this game? WHy would I make thigns MORE difficult for myself as scum by refusing to give any sort of read whatsoever? Just to avoid some sort of association in case he flips WHICH YOU'RE PUTTING ON ME ANYWAY? 2) Not a joke. Reference to LXI which was a shit game of mine and the last game in which I and Palmar played together I believe (Unless Ego came after I think). I even explained that shit directly after. Why would you ignore that? It's funny too because I was suspicious of Palmar bringing up an example of how 'bad' I was months and months ago without even considering that I might have improved since and I asked town about---who promptly ignored me so I just assumed a town Palmar would do it. Thanks for the help, town. 3) I assume you mean 'Wave' not Oats here. My reasoning as to the townread on Palmar super early was simply based on his seemingly free interaction with town in all respects. As you can see here, I CAN'T READ PALMAR FOR SHIT WHICH I WAS SAYING ALL ALONG. 4) I didn't remember shit about Palmar's post from a year ago. I haven't even been playing mafia for a year. MARV TOSSED THAT IN THE NOIRE OBS QT. Want to look at it? http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/4ti4pFaNwin Check out post 215. I didn't elaborate or link the rest of what marv said because I didn't want anyone in both games to hazard any guesses based on that or something. The reason I brought it up (which again town promptly ignored, thanks town) was because I was curious if town thought I was more concerned about being right regarding FT than was actually useful to town. I was beginning to question my own tunnel. Nobody helped me question it. 5) I don't think I have much to say about SnB. Legitimately surprised he flipped scum. FUCKING WHAT AUSTIN WHAT | ||
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WaveofShadow
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Promise. If you want you can try and peg me as a member of the other scumteam, but I'm sorry Oats/SnB/Palmar makes more sense than me. | ||
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