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On October 07 2013 05:35 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 05:32 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 07 2013 05:30 s0Lstice wrote:
Like, VE, you have a problem with me acting how I did as cop. Being a cop is fucking difficult. The only other time I've been 'blue' is in PTP where everyone was at least a little blue, and I basically got lynched day 1 there. It's just not a skill I have (right now anyway). I'll remind you too that I have NEVER been lynched. The two times where I've been even really close is here and PTP, both of which are related to blueness. This isn't a coincidence. At least do me a favor and go read my lone scum game that I have on my record and compare. It's Basterd Mini Mafia. Then: WHY WOULD YOU HAVE THE CONFIDENCE IN YOURSELF AND YOUR READS ENOUGH TO THINK YOU CAN CATCH THE WHOLE SCUMTEAM?!?! SOLSICE THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE - YOU'RE EXPECTING US TO BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE PLAYING THIS WAY AS A RESULT OF BEING NEWB BUT FOR THE PURPOSE OF DOING NEXT-LEVEL MINDGAMES WITH THE ENTIRE OPPOSING FORCE!!! DO YOU NOT SEE HOW THIS IS A HUGE CONTRADICTION?! VE, being a nervous and unsure blue does not affect the convictions I have in my own reads. I was convinced CC was scum. This fact remains the same whether I'm green or blue. The distinction is what I do with the blue actions and the blue role in general. These are not mutually exclusive ideas. They run parallel not opposite.
So because CC didn't claim scum to you he must be town? Right.
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On October 07 2013 05:38 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 05:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If we are lynching outside the cops we lynch Austin. That's so bad. Why? Don't be lazy. Why do you think it's bad?
BECAUSE WE LOSE KOSHI ON THE NEXT NIGHT 100%!
That's removing confirmed townies for a fucking KP in a game where people have vests..
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And we can't even be usre if we remove KP. WE CAN'T BE EVEN SURE IF WE LYNCH SCUM! At least your target is most likely town.
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On October 07 2013 05:41 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 05:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 07 2013 05:38 austinmcc wrote:On October 07 2013 05:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If we are lynching outside the cops we lynch Austin. That's so bad. Why? Don't be lazy. Why do you think it's bad? BECAUSE WE LOSE KOSHI ON THE NEXT NIGHT 100%! That's removing confirmed townies for a fucking KP in a game where people have vests.. Why is losing Koshi bad? If we lose Koshi, we 100% know solstice's alignment. WHY IS HAVING THE WHOLE SITUATION RESOLVED A BAD THING?
You are fucking idiot because when we lynch Solstice and he is scum we have me + Oats as confirmed town aswell. Besides Koshi. And we lynched scum. Your game is falling apart.
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On October 07 2013 08:05 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2013 07:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Austin this is important: why didn't you have a problem with the task involving assuming WoS is town? Couple things. The landscape has somewhat changed during D4. He's looked reasonable today, and I don't think scum super needs to be reasonable right here given how everything is going. Given that you're townie and I NEED you on board to push something other than a cop lynch, because of how thread is structured right now, I don't have conviction on WoS scum to fight you over that. The two factions also make it difficult to push WoS scum. If solstice is the cop, WoS is town. If koshi is the cop, then koshi and rayn are town, they seem to have no interest in pushing WoS, they seem to HAVE interest in lynching me eventually, so I need to...build consensus on something else before pushing WoS if I still have him on my scumlist. If that makes sense. Either he's town, or town thinks I'm mafia and he's town. For right now, that's NOT the read to push, and I need to find common ground OR bust heads harder, and then solve WoS later (unless he REALLY sticks out as 3rd banger).
So you are not trying to solve the game but give out reads that suit you the best? Like, "i can convince people this guy is scum, but not this guy". How does that make any sense?
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And why is it easier to judge other people and find scum there from people you already know 1/2 is scum of?
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I want to kill Solstice because that guarantees there will be protection on Koshi the next night.
If we do not kill either of them, Koshi will be either shot or there will be no confirmed townies (in case scum leave him alive). Again we are going to be guessing on the next day, even if we lynched scum today.
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No, the most certain lynch now is Solstice. Tomorrow we have another lynch that's going to be more certain than it is now.
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Good job giving thoughts on the only people who will be confirmed town when you flip scum. :D
How about you tell us who is scum from outside me/Oats/Koshi?
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Next day we will lynch Pandain and tonight i am going to tell you why.
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Short version is that he is making zero sense, does not even try to push his preferred lynches and has reads that are based on bullshit.
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On October 08 2013 00:26 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:23 austinmcc wrote:On October 08 2013 00:19 VisceraEyes wrote:On September 27 2013 20:10 Koshi wrote:
Hiro pro interesting guy. Do like. Need to follow up though. Otherwise will lynch.
 Like..... Maybe we should just lynch Koshi and #YOLO Except On October 01 2013 00:58 s0Lstice wrote:
right well I'm here, taking me awhile to catch up. I'm about to say fuck it and just start playing from here on (with a helpful summary for pages 40-now from someone) but we'll see how much time I get tonight. I didn't want to say much without having a complete picture of the goings on but if that means I never start talking then it's no good.
from what I've read I don't like hiro, or Oats. Cheesecakes weird pressure vote on Oats bothered me as well.
hiro for his entrance into the thread and early passivity (agree with Palmar's points here).
Oats (at least up to where I stopped) hasn't started tunneling anyone yet, and is doing his 'drop a question into a bucket' thing he does as scum. I saw him engaging with the thread but had trouble figuring out what he was hoping to get from his questions and/or didn't see what he was doing with the answers he got.
There's some rumblings for FT. Nothing struck me as odd about him from what I read. I'll look closer tonight. On October 02 2013 01:09 s0Lstice wrote:
like I said earlier I did get up to page 40 or so. still don't like the FT lynch. didn't see anything in his filter that screamed scum to me.
from what I saw I would like to lynch hiro On October 02 2013 04:19 s0Lstice wrote:
@austin: tell me how I express guilt, specifically as it retains to an internet forum. you must know as it's important to your read on me.
##vote hiro protagonist
All my townreads for the most part are on FT and that makes me not want to sheep after all Which do you think put more effective, convincing distance between the two players involved? Was I putting hiro in danger? Would ANYBODY think that he and I were linked after my early actions? Exactly.
Nah, Pandain is the last guy alive from the other team. They shot BH on N1, because Pandain wants to kill BH always for no reason.
Then you shot SnB and hiro on N2, probably thought they were vice versa (SnB town -> lynch Palmar the next day, and hiro scum from another team). Palmar wanted to get rid of grack because he was calling him scum, and Palmar had a "scumred" on me already.
It's pretty easy to conclude how these things went.
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Funny thing is when Solstie flips scum and Pandain flips the last scum from another team Mr.CC becomes town.
Koshi, you shoud prolly shoot Pandain next night. He has to sac KP in case he wants to survive.
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On October 08 2013 00:33 Pandain wrote:
I like it Rayn you got me
Yeah i know. I'll all scum before i die this night. Actually i prolly won't because they'll shoot Koshi. :D
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On October 08 2013 00:36 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Funny thing is when Solstie flips scum and Pandain flips the last scum from another team Mr.CC becomes town.
Koshi, you shoud prolly shoot Pandain next night. He has to sac KP in case he wants to survive. Doesn't he have to protect himself?
Not necessarily. Other scumteam does not know what he does for real. Pandain has to vest himself.
Either way, in case Koshi dies, Pandain dies too, or there will be 2 KP and Pandain is confirmed town.
So we trade 1-1 and/or have less suspicious people with same amount of conf-townies.
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On October 08 2013 00:37 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:32 s0Lstice wrote:On October 08 2013 00:29 Koshi wrote:On October 08 2013 00:20 s0Lstice wrote:On October 08 2013 00:11 Koshi wrote:
S0lstice.
You think I am part of 3-man team. You want to know the entire 3 man team with your walky talking ploy. Why do you go for CC? Like, why not go for Me or one of my confirmed townies?
Why CC? At the time I decided to walkie-talkie CC, I was really fucking certain I had scum with him. The nice thing about this option is that it stood aside from you+confirmed townies. I had mindfucked myself so hard in figuring out what it is you are exactly doing that even when I had reasoned my way onto one side, the amount of niggling doubts were still enormous. All things considered, choosing a strong scum-read that was largely independent of the you situation seemed the safest. More, there was a chance that you guys were linked and I would end up with some corroborating evidence aside from the fact that you claimed my role. It really seemed like a win-win, a way to kill two-birds with one stone. ...and, in the end, I always had the knowledge that I was going to have to counter-claim if you never stepped down as a fake-claiming town. I didn't really expect it to be this fucking difficult, or for you to sell your fake claim so fucking well. I knew I'd get heat for not countering immediately but I thought that the truth was gonna win out. Apparently the lateness of it trumps the truth. tldr: On N3 you still thought I was town? No, maybe you shouldn't tldr it. I just don't understand you. Like, if I was scum I was always on the 3 man team (you confirmed this earlier). So if you are a cop, why not contact me, why contact CC? Because it seems you were certain about both me and CC? And we are in the same scumteam, and you knew rayn was in our team. Why not simple shoot me, and then say: "oh hi guis, I am cop, Koshi obviously isn't, his teammates are 100% CC and 85% rayn". That would actually make sense if you were a cop.
If you are scum why am i on your team?
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Oh right. Anyways it doesn't even matter because Sol is scum.
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Guys you are looking it the wrong way.
We do not know what motivation Solstice had to contact Mr.CC. But it doesn't matter. What matters is that when he DID contact him, he HAD to claim cop because that was his only option.
Also he did not counter-claim Koshi in the first place, and let him run around "confirming" townies. That's all the evidence we need. He is mafia.
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If Solstice was a cop, he would ambulance himself on N3, claim on N3, and lynch Koshi the next day. His play makes no sense from cop pov. Simple.
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On October 08 2013 00:44 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Guys you are looking it the wrong way.
We do not know what motivation Solstice had to contact Mr.CC. But it doesn't matter. What matters is that when he DID contact him, he HAD to claim cop because that was his only option.
Also he did not counter-claim Koshi in the first place, and let him run around "confirming" townies. That's all the evidence we need. He is mafia. He did NOT have to claim cop. He had the option of saying CC was lying.
Yes but if you fight against Mr.CC rather than Koshi, the cop is confirmed and so are the townies.
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